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In all sincerity, I cannot understand why many are so fixated with ‘’the ten commandments’’ as it were. That term speaks of an external law engraved in stone. The new covenant is very different to that. The core foundation upon which the new covenant stands is twofold, there is no new covenant without both:



This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]

17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.

Heb10:16&17



Note which comes first. The law God wants you to follow is written in your mind once you come into the covenant. In other words, you instinctively in your mind know the basics of how God wants you to live. So you don’t need to fixate on an external written down law do you. If something is in my mind, I don’t have to read up, focus on something external to me and look to it, so I may try to follow it. The law is also in your heart. Meaning, in your heart you want to live as God desires you to live. Some say if you remove righteousness of obeying the law, you give a believer a licence to sin. That is utterly impossible for the born again Christian who has the law in their heart and mind. For though righteousness of obeying the law is removed, you in your heart, still want to follow what has been placed there. I believe I am righteous, from first to last by faith in Christ, not obeying the law, but at the same time, I could never believe that gives me a licence to live as I like. And when we fail, as we all do, our conscience will be seered, and we will have no rest and no peace until we come before your heavenly Father and tell him we are sorry for our folly, only then will we get your peace back.

The penalty of sin was removed, for Christ died for our sins, but you only get a saviour from sin, because the holy, just and righteous law God wants you to follow are now a part of the person you are. And they will never be removed form your most inward parts. And in that fact a licence to sin is removed from the born again believer, in whom dwells the Holy Spirit. God is not stupid, he made a perfect covenant, there are no holes in it

People who insist you must obey the ten commandments if you want to attain to heaven should consider Matthew7:2

The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you.



Paul said the ten commandments are the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. If anyone thinks they fully obey the letter of the ten commandments they do not understand what that letter demands

It is very simple really. The ten commandments are a portrait of God. In the NT We are told that no one comes unto the Father but by the Lord Jesus. He is the way. The Ten commandments are not the way to the Father, but they do give us a picture of where we are headed.

The NT does not every disparage the Ten Commandments and Jesus makes it very clear that the NT does not do away with them either.

 

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They keep it from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, ideally do not cook, buy or sell during this time. They meet at church on Saturday morning have Sabbath school usually @ 9:30am then service at 11am - 12:30pm / 1 pm depending on who's preaching. Have vegetarian potluck at least before c19 hit. Also before c19 they meet in the afternoon at church for AY to close the Sabbath.

That doesn't make any sense. They keep the Lord's Sabbath, the 7th day, by celebrating Saturn's day, a day dedicated to Satan?

God established the Sabbath day as the 7th day from the New Moon. It is not "Saturday" it is the seventh day.

How do you pretend to be keeping the Sabbath if you aren't even celebrating it according to God's ordination?

I do not agree with making one of the ten commandments a cornerstone for Christian worship, however, if others wish to do that I don't have a problem with it either. But to build a Christian worship on a complete and utter lie is repugnant. If you want to keep the sabbath, then keep the sabbath. Calling Saturn's day the Sabbath day is to simply add insult to injury.

 

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That doesn't make any sense. They keep the Lord's Sabbath, the 7th day, by celebrating Saturn's day, a day dedicated to Satan?

God established the Sabbath day as the 7th day from the New Moon. It is not "Saturday" it is the seventh day.

How do you pretend to be keeping the Sabbath if you aren't even celebrating it according to God's ordination?

I do not agree with making one of the ten commandments a cornerstone for Christian worship, however, if others wish to do that I don't have a problem with it either. But to build a Christian worship on a complete and utter lie is repugnant. If you want to keep the sabbath, then keep the sabbath. Calling Saturn's day the Sabbath day is to simply add insult to injury.

I know. Unfortunately, I attend an Adventist church and I know that Friday sunset to Saturday sunset is not the real Sabbath. But I have yet to find one that keeps according to the seventh day after the new moon. I mean unless I open one

 

[Faithiskey1]

It is very simple really. The ten commandments are a portrait of God. In the NT We are told that no one comes unto the Father but by the Lord Jesus. He is the way. The Ten commandments are not the way to the Father, but they do give us a picture of where we are headed.

The NT does not every disparage the Ten Commandments and Jesus makes it very clear that the NT does not do away with them either.

Do you not instinctively know in your mind God does not want you to steal, bear false witness, covet, murder, take his name in vain etc? In your heart you don't want to steal, bear false witness, covet, murder, commit adultery etc do you? That's because God has done that for you under the core terms of the new covenant. So why would any of us need to look to an external law written on tablets of stone. The law is within you, it is in your most inward parts, and it goes much further than the words written in stone.

 

[ZNP]

Do you not instinctively know in your mind God does not want you to steal, bear false witness, covet, murder, take his name in vain etc? In your heart you don't want to steal, bear false witness, covet, murder, commit adultery etc do you? That's because God has done that for you under the core terms of the new covenant. So why would any of us need to look to an external law written on tablets of stone. The law is within you, it is in your most inward parts, and it goes much further than the words written in stone.

If the ten commandments are not important why is it so important for the Molech and Baal worshippers to remove any trace of them?

For me the bottom line is the word of God is powerful and sharper than any two edged sword dividing between soul and spirit.

 

[Faithiskey1]

If the ten commandments are not important why is it so important for the Molech and Baal worshippers to remove any trace of them?

For me the bottom line is the word of God is powerful and sharper than any two edged sword dividing between soul and spirit.

Did you not read my post, the law is in your most inward parts, God placed it there when you got saved. It is now part of your dna so to speak. You in your heart want to follow it for that is where God put it. You only get a saviour from sin because God put the law in your heart He wants you to follow.

 

[ZNP]

Did you not read my post, the law is in your most inward parts, God placed it there when you got saved. It is now part of your dna so to speak. You in your heart want to follow it for that is where God put it. You only get a saviour from sin because God put the law in your heart He wants you to follow.

The law is not in everyone's inward parts.

Again, I will repeat for the hard of hearing. I don't care if a NT Believer wants to keep the Sabbath or not keep the Sabbath and that is because the Apostle Paul doesn't care. If you want to pretend you are more in tune with the NT why not read it? Try reading Colossians 2.

As for me I take John's word to heart -- In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God. I am all for speaking and publishing the word of God. That includes the ten commandments.

 

[Faithiskey1]

The law is not in everyone's inward parts.

Again, I will repeat for the hard of hearing. I don't care if a NT Believer wants to keep the Sabbath or not keep the Sabbath and that is because the Apostle Paul doesn't care. If you want to pretend you are more in tune with the NT why not read it? Try reading Colossians 2.

As for me I take John's word to heart -- In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God. I am all for speaking and publishing the word of God. That includes the ten commandments.

This is the core foundation upon which the new covenant stands, note which comes first:
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.” Heb10:16&17

If the law is not in your most inward parts you have not been born again and are not part of the new covenant

 

[ZNP]

This is the core foundation upon which the new covenant stands, note which comes first:
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.” Heb10:16&17

If the law is not in your most inward parts you have not been born again and are not part of the new covenant

Yes, and the NT tells us to witness to people, to share the gospel, to evangelize, which should convince you that there are those who are not born again.

 

[Faithiskey1]

Yes, and the NT tells us to witness to people, to share the gospel, to evangelize, which should convince you that there are those who are not born again.

Absolutely, those that should be evangelised to so they may come to Christ do not have the law in their most inward parts, for they have not been born again. Once they accept Christ and get saved, the law will then be in their most inward parts

 

[ZNP]

Absolutely, those that should be evangelised to so they may come to Christ do not have the law in their most inward parts. Once they accept Christ and get saved, the law will then be in their most inward parts

what is your point? Is there some Bible verse that you are going to quote that says don't tell people the ten commandments? Because if that is not your point you don't have a point. Since there is no such verse and on the contrary the Lord says that man shall live by every word that proceeds from God I really cannot understand how any believer would have an issue with people publishing the word of God

 

[Faithiskey1]

what is your point? Is there some Bible verse that you are going to quote that says don't tell people the ten commandments? Because if that is not your point you don't have a point. Since there is no such verse and on the contrary the Lord says that man shall live by every word that proceeds from God I really cannot understand how any believer would have an issue with people publishing the word of God

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) Romans2:14&15
Absolutely, man shall live by every word from God. God put his laws within you. As the above scripture shows, under the new covenant you can know that law without firstly being able to read it

 

[ZNP]

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) Romans2:14&15
Absolutely, man shall live by every word from God. God put his laws within you. As the above scripture shows, under the new covenant you can know that law without firstly being able to read it

Again, what is your point, you don't want people to read the word of God?

 

[Faithiskey1]

Again, what is your point, you don't want people to read the word of God?

I read the word of God avidly. We are only speaking here of the law in your most inward parts, in your heart and mind. The basics of it anyway, Christ expanded on it in the Gospels

 

[ZNP]

I read the word of God avidly. We are only speaking here of the law in your most inward parts, in your heart and mind. The basics of it anyway, Christ expanded on it in the Gospels

No, for some reason you think that is what we are talking about. I am not talking about that and no one else is.

 

[Faithiskey1]

No, for some reason you think that is what we are talking about. I am not talking about that and no one else is.

Well you were the one who asked me if we could igonre what is written.
OK example. I don t know if you are married, but for the point to be made I will assume you are and you love your wife. Therefore, in your heart you want to please her. What would you think if I kept coming up to you telling you you must love your wife and be kind to her?

Its just the same, when people tell christians its important to obey the ten commandments, for believers have the commands in their hearts God wants them to follow, meaning in their hearts they want to abide by it. Actually, in my experience people who keep repeating ''you must obey the ten commandments'' use it as a bit of a cop out. Why not instead repeat. ''We must obey Christ's commands in the Gospels?'' Hmm, maybe the former seems a bit easier.

 

[ZNP]

Well you were the one who asked me if we could igonre what is written.
OK example. I don t know if you are married, but for the point to be made I will assume you are and you love your wife. Therefore, in your heart you want to please her. What would you think if I kept coming up to you telling you you must love your wife and be kind to her?

Its just the same, when people tell christians its important to obey the ten commandments, for believers have the commands in their hearts God wants them to follow, meaning in their hearts they want to abide by it. Actually, in my experience people who keep repeating ''you must obey the ten commandments'' use it as a bit of a cop out. Why not instead repeat. ''We must obey Christ's commands in the Gospels?'' Hmm, maybe the former seems a bit easier.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ’s. 18 Let no man rob you of your prize by a voluntary humility and worshipping of the angels, dwelling in the things which he hath seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit together through the joints and bands, increaseth with the increase of God.

Your posts are judgemental with regards to keeping the Sabbath day. Paul said don't let anyone judge you. It is a shadow of things to come. I can choose to celebrate it or not to celebrate it depending on how I perceive I am being led by the Lord. The lesson is that we are not to judge one another, we are not the Lord, Jesus is Lord and just because He has spoken to you about something doesn't mean you can impose that on others.

James 2:12 speak ye, and so do, as men that are to be judged by a law of liberty.


James 4:11 Speak not one against another, brethren. He that speaketh against a brother, or judgeth his brother, speaketh against the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judgest the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

 

[Faithiskey1]

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ’s. 18 Let no man rob you of your prize by a voluntary humility and worshipping of the angels, dwelling in the things which he hath seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit together through the joints and bands, increaseth with the increase of God.

Your posts are judgemental with regards to keeping the Sabbath day. Paul said don't let anyone judge you. It is a shadow of things to come. I can choose to celebrate it or not to celebrate it depending on how I perceive I am being led by the Lord. The lesson is that we are not to judge one another, we are not the Lord, Jesus is Lord and just because He has spoken to you about something doesn't mean you can impose that on others.

James 2:12 speak ye, and so do, as men that are to be judged by a law of liberty.


James 4:11 Speak not one against another, brethren. He that speaketh against a brother, or judgeth his brother, speaketh against the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judgest the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

What are you on about? What am I trying to impose on you in this thread? All I have done is repeat what scripture states, the law is now in your heart and mind. How in the world is that being judgemental. I certainly have not said you must observe a saturday sabbath. I will accept an apology should you feel able to give it

 

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What are you on about? What am I trying to impose on you in this thread? All I have done is repeat what scripture states, the law is now in your heart and mind. How in the world is that being judgemental. I certainly have not said you must observe a saturday sabbath. I will accept an apology should you feel able to give it

It works both ways. If the 7th day tell us we are wrong they are judgemental to us, if we tell them they are wrong we are judgemental to them.

In all sincerity, I cannot understand why many are so fixated with ‘’the ten commandments’’ as it were…So you don’t need to fixate on an external written down law do you. Post #1259

I found this very judgemental. The ten commandments are part of the Bible and if a Christian teacher is teaching from the Bible I see no reason to condemn or judge them. Telling someone not to "fixate on the external word written down" is very offensive to me. It is also contrary to the word of God which told us to bind this word to us.

So why would any of us need to look to an external law written on tablets of stone. Post 1264

Very offensive word to me. Paul said faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. You short circuit the process by getting faith. This whole teaching that we have the word of God in us so we don't need to look at the written word. Wherever you came up with that it certainly was not from the Bible.

 

[Faithiskey1]

It works both ways. If the 7th day tell us we are wrong they are judgemental to us, if we tell them they are wrong we are judgemental to them.

In all sincerity, I cannot understand why many are so fixated with ‘’the ten commandments’’ as it were…So you don’t need to fixate on an external written down law do you. Post #1259

I found this very judgemental. The ten commandments are part of the Bible and if a Christian teacher is teaching from the Bible I see no reason to condemn or judge them. Telling someone not to "fixate on the external word written down" is very offensive to me. It is also contrary to the word of God which told us to bind this word to us.

So why would any of us need to look to an external law written on tablets of stone. Post 1264

Very offensive word to me. Paul said faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. You short circuit the process by getting faith. This whole teaching that we have the word of God in us so we don't need to look at the written word. Wherever you came up with that it certainly was not from the Bible.

So why would any of us need to look to an external law written on tablets of stone. Post 1264

The above is offensive to you? I have said we have the law in us, not the word of God/the whole bible in us. So I have not said we do not need to read the bible per se have I. If you are going to comment on my posts, please quote them accurately