The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Wait a minute !!!! If you believe in the Millennial reign of Christ - then you must believe in a physical Kingdom upon the earth? When Christ sits upon the throne of David, in Jerusalem. So then, why the objection, that some how, I am splitting the body of Christ.
There is no difference between those in the Body of Christ who have suffered and died for their faith for the past 2,000 Years and during the GT = no difference.
The Believers were torn apart by lions, burned alive, beheaded, stoned to death, starved to death in prison and beaten to death.
There is far more mercy in being placed under a guillotine then other means.
Luk 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Someone was saying that there is a seperate Gospel for the Jew and one for the Gentile - which is a complete lie.
Rev 13:15, And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16, And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:8, And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If you are alive on the earth during the GT, you are going to worship the beast and will be killed if you won't worship his image also.
This indicates to me that those whose names are in the Lamb's Book of Life are those who will have been caught up to meet the Lord in the air before the GT begins.
Rev 13:16, And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17, And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:8, And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If you are alive on the earth during the GT, you are going to worship the beast and will be killed if you won't worship his image also.
This indicates to me that those whose names are in the Lamb's Book of Life are those who will have been caught up to meet the Lord in the air before the GT begins.
1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to BEAR it.
Why would you think this? No where in Rev does the Lord say they are pretrib raptured - not once.
You're not demonstrating a Biblical refutation; you are merely denying my verse-accompanied responses.
Here's a good place to start:
1. define what a Christian is (thoroughly)
2. support the definition with Scriptures (2 or more witnesses).
3. demonstrate how the definition refutes my verse-accompanies responses.
If you go off on a new tangent, things get messy. Instead, show me my error in how I explained the passages I included in my posts.
Paul spoke of some that would be alive and remaining, which means to survive something in the Greek. They don't get killed during the Great Tribulation.
What does it mean to escape all these things that are going to come to pass? What are "these things"; and how do we escape them?
Except that I would say that that verse is referring to a pre-tribulation rapture of the church.
You are oversimplifying the ideas of tribulations and trials. There are always tribulations and trials but only ONE great tribulation, like the world has never seen before. Likewise, you are overusing the term "OVERCOMERS", as if it is something we personally do. We are not the overcomers - Christ is !
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, even our faith
1Jn_5:5 And who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
True believers have been in Christ since before the world began (Eph. 1:4) In Christ is our victory, inspite of our weaknesses and sins.
By being able to bear what happens. Escaping doesn't have to mean leaving the planet. An escape can happen while right in the very midst of the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation is meant for the church to suffer. Christ said Christians will suffer during that time. Revelation says the same things.
Read my posts again - you are splitting hairs brother.
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The rapture takes place at the 7th trump. The Great Tribulation is during the 6th trump. That makes the rapture post-trib not pre. Not to mention both Christ and Paul placed the rapture after the Great Tribulation.
In Revelation 4:1, John speaks of what happens "after these things" "meta tauta".
After what things?
The divine outline to the book of Revelation is given in Revelation 1:19.
"The things that are" being the church age...or, the age of grace...spoken of in Revelation 2 and 3.
If you notice carefully, I did not interpret that passage. I simply provided it as the first mention of "Christians" in the Bible (if you understand the principle of "first mention", then I don't need to explain further
...that is the idea I have been challenging with verse-accompanied responses.
If you're willing to settle for legitimate common ground, I'm willing to call them believers. Are you ok with that term?
The Letters to the seven churches are for every Believer in Christ = You must overcome just as Christ overcame.
There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture = it is a lie from satan = reject it and embrace the Word of God.
Revelation Begins and Ends with the SAME message to the Believer.
This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near. Rev 1:1-3
Then the angel said to me, “These words are faithful and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent His angel to show His servants what must soon take place.”
“Behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of prophecy in this book."
Rev 22:6-7
We are included in chapters 1 thru 22
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