Does 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 Teach Jesus Will Return With Dead Saints Now With Him In Heaven?

[keiw]

FreeGrace2 said:
Look, I don't care how much you seem to want to argue with Scripture. But Rev 6:6,10 is very clear. John in his vision of the future, saw souls (of dead saints) shouting in heaven. Figure that out.

With a bit of discernment, one can easily separate these 2 sights. The Bible says "SOULS". That's what it means.

Regarding the 10 horned 7 headed beast, since there isn't anything literal about that, is obviously a symbol. But "souls"? What in the world would that be a symbol of?

FreeGrace2 said:
And Jesus gave us a clear glimpse of life in the after life. Figure that out. And it isn't a parable. Or show me any parable where Jesus named some of the people, and REAL people no less.

This is a stupid question. What is your problem? And where are any parables where Jesus named real people? You don't have any. That's what separates His account of the beggar and rich man from parables. He was telling a real story about real people.


No, we don't have people wth "resurrection bodies". You just keep misunderstanding Scripture.

When Jesus or the Bible speaks of "resurrection bodies" it specifically refers to "glorified bodies", and NO ONE gets theirs until the single resurrection of believers at the Second Advent. 1 Cor 15:23 and 2 Thess 2:1-3.

Some scholars have surmised that there is some kind of "interim body" for people who die and go to heaven. Doesn't matter. What does matter is that the Bible SAYS there are souls in heaven shouting. I'm not worrying about it. You should just accept what the Bible says.


Are you going to ignore post #814?

That would be the easy way out, but you should at be honest about your theology. If there is soul sleep at physical death, you've got to explain why Paul wrote what he did.

I believe Phil 1:21, 23 prove that souls go immediately to heaven at death.

You can't prove me wrong from Scripture. Or you would have by now.

Your understanding of all those verses you've quoted about sleeping, death, etc are proved to be a very WRONG understanding of them from what Paul wrote in Phil 1:21,23.

So, either YOUR understanding of your fav verses is WRONG, or Paul was WRONG.

Which is it? They both cannot be right.

There are 2 ressurections. mentioned in revelation- Rev 20:6-this mentions the 1st ressurection. These are the anointed-the bride of Christ-rev 14:3--#s them-144,000-- Its the remaining ones of these on earth during the tribulation that will be changed in the twinkling of an eye and brought to heaven. The second ressurection occurs way after this event. And clearly shows the righteous are still on earth. Rev 20:9--this is after satan gets abyssed for 1000 years and then is let loose for a little while.

 

[keiw]

Actually, the "mark of the beast" will be given to everyone who wants to be able to buy and sell. Those are individuals.


Here's the kicker. God doesn't hold "systems" whether political or religious, accountable. He DOES hold individuals accountable.

You can believe the beast and FP are systems. But systems aren't cast into the LoF. People and angels will be. Rev 20:15.

btw, even systems have someone who leads them. Call them kings, presidents, etc. Doesn't matter. Even boards are made up of individuals.

Rev 16, 19 and Daniel 2:44 teaches different, That Jesus will wipe every mortal govt off of Gods earth. Rev 19 clearly shows what a kingdom represents at Rev 16--( govt, armies, supporters) Rev 19:11 and on- all getting eaten at the great evening meal of God.

Cannot buy or sell= sanctions, not to say a chip could be implanted.- in individuals.

 

[FreeGrace2]

There are 2 ressurections.

Correct. One for all the saved, and one for all the unsaved.

Saved resurrection:
Matt 22:30 - At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
Luke 14:14 - and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
Acts 26:23 - that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”
2 Thess 2:1 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

These verses speak of a singular resurrection by "the" and "a". Those are singular articles.
Acts 24:15 shows one resurrection for the saved and one for the unsaved.
1 Cor 15:23 shows that the singular resurrection will occur at the Second Advent.
2 Thess 2:1 plainly says the rapture is with the Second Advent.

mentioned in revelation- Rev 20:6-this mentions the 1st ressurection. These are the anointed-the bride of Christ-rev 14:3--#s them-144,000-- Its the remaining ones of these on earth during the tribulation that will be changed in the twinkling of an eye and brought to heaven.

Given all the verses above, this resurrection is the singular resurrection of "those who belong to Him". It's just that John chose to only mention the martyrs. But all the verses above clearly indicate there will be only 1 resurrection of the saved. And it does occur when Christ returns at the Second Advent, as 2 Thess 2:1 plainly says.

The second ressurection occurs way after this event. And clearly shows the righteous are still on earth.

No. Acts 24:15 clearly says there will be A resurrection for the saved and A resurrection for the unsaved.

So, the SECOND resurrection will be for the GWT judgment in Rev 20:11-15. This is for all the unsaved. At this resurrection, NO ONE will receive glorified bodies, as all believers will at the FIRST resurrection.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Rev 16, 19 and Daniel 2:44 teaches different, That Jesus will wipe every mortal govt off of Gods earth.

Sure. King Jesus WILL do this when He returns at the Second Advent. Because He will "rule the nations with a rod of iron".

Rev 19 clearly shows what a kingdom represents at Rev 16--( govt, armies, supporters) Rev 19:11 and on- all getting eaten at the great evening meal of God.

The wording regarding those souls and the wedding supper show they are getting ready, NOT actually AT the wedding supper. And then immediately they accompany King Jesus down to earth to end the Trib and set up the Millennial Kingdom.

 

[keiw]

Correct. One for all the saved, and one for all the unsaved.

Saved resurrection:
Matt 22:30 - At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
Luke 14:14 - and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
Acts 26:23 - that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”
2 Thess 2:1 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

These verses speak of a singular resurrection by "the" and "a". Those are singular articles.
Acts 24:15 shows one resurrection for the saved and one for the unsaved.
1 Cor 15:23 shows that the singular resurrection will occur at the Second Advent.
2 Thess 2:1 plainly says the rapture is with the Second Advent.


Given all the verses above, this resurrection is the singular resurrection of "those who belong to Him". It's just that John chose to only mention the martyrs. But all the verses above clearly indicate there will be only 1 resurrection of the saved. And it does occur when Christ returns at the Second Advent, as 2 Thess 2:1 plainly says.


No. Acts 24:15 clearly says there will be A resurrection for the saved and A resurrection for the unsaved.

So, the SECOND resurrection will be for the GWT judgment in Rev 20:11-15. This is for all the unsaved. At this resurrection, NO ONE will receive glorified bodies, as all believers will at the FIRST resurrection.

It doesnt say its the unsaved. It clearly says-Every grave will be emptied. Many in the grave were righteous. Yes that is speaking to the little flock( Luke 12:32) this is the bride of Christ-these are numbered-Rev 14:3-144,000--The great crowd of other sheep, no man can number. One flock but 2 seperate promises, broken into 2 groups for that reason.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It doesnt say its the unsaved.

What or who do you think Acts 24:15 is referring to then??
"Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." Please advise.

It clearly says-Every grave will be emptied.

What verse are you quoting from here? Of course, that will ultimately happen. But I would like to see that verse, for context. Does the verse indicate that both resurrections will occur at the same time? Of course not. Not even possible.

We know from Rev 20 that the saved are resurrected FIRST, and then followed by the unsaved, 1,000 years later for the GWT judgment.

Many in the grave were righteous.

That would be the saved. They will all be resurrected "when He comes" back at the Second Advent. 1 Cor 15:23.

Yes that is speaking to the little flock( Luke 12:32) this is the bride of Christ-these are numbered-Rev 14:3-144,000--The great crowd of other sheep, no man can number. One flock but 2 seperate promises, broken into 2 groups for that reason.

1 Cor 15:23 tells us that ALL believers will be resurrected "when He comes".

Since we KNOW the resurrection of Trib martyrs is called the FIRST resurrection, that means ALL believers will be resurrected at the same event. There cannot be several resurrections of believers.

 

[keiw]

What or who do you think Acts 24:15 is referring to then??
"Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." Please advise.


What verse are you quoting from here? Of course, that will ultimately happen. But I would like to see that verse, for context. Does the verse indicate that both resurrections will occur at the same time? Of course not. Not even possible.

We know from Rev 20 that the saved are resurrected FIRST, and then followed by the unsaved, 1,000 years later for the GWT judgment.


That would be the saved. They will all be resurrected "when He comes" back at the Second Advent. 1 Cor 15:23.


1 Cor 15:23 tells us that ALL believers will be resurrected "when He comes".

Since we KNOW the resurrection of Trib martyrs is called the FIRST resurrection, that means ALL believers will be resurrected at the same event. There cannot be several resurrections of believers.

Rev 20:11-13 explains the scroll of life is opened for all ressurected then.-- John 5:27-29 explains what is occurring at the second ressurection. Those who did good to life, those who did vile things to destruction.

 

[Rondonmon]

Why not? Paul plainly says the dead in Christ and those alive and remaining are going up to meet a Jesus that is coming down at the Second Coming.

"If they say He is in the secret chamber believe it not."

Jesus was sent only unto the Jews, Jesus was then asked by his Jewish Disciples when these things shall be (Temples Destruction Matt. 24:1-3) what would be the signs of his coming, and the end of the world [age of man].

So, Jesus needs to explain all of these things to his Disciples, he also needs to keep the Rapture hush hush so as not to confuse Israel as a nation because he knows Israel as a nation will not repent until the 70th week and thus overall, this message of the Rapture is not about Israel, who Jesus' Ministry was unto, ONLY. So, in a totally majestic way, Jesus gives them EVERY POSSIBLE ANSWER, but he gives it in a mostly Jewish way whereas he designates what is going to happen to Israel FIRST, then he also throws in a Side Report of sorts, speaking about the coming Pre Trib Rapture in Matt. 24:36-51 AFTER having given the parable of the Fig Tree, which shows us we can know the SEASON, even though we cant know the Day nor the Hour of his coming, in Matt. 24:32-35,THEN we get the signs of what will be the rapture, after he gave the signs of what the Jews will see at the Second Coming, in other words Jesus covered all the bases unto his Disciples and the Jews, both those who are in Christ Pre Tib (Dead and living) and to those who repent during the 70th week tribulation period, so Jesus in Matt. 24:4-31 covers all of the Jewish bases on those who are here on earth during the 70th week troubles, and Jesus in Matt. 24:36-51 covers the bases on all the Jews in Christ during the Church Age Period we are now in.

So, Matt. 24:4-6 is abut the 70 AD period only, Jesus fore warns his disciples not to go back to Jerusalem looking for him, he will not come until later on (by and by). Jesus knew that the Pharisees would put forth messianic figures, which is why he told the Pharisees that they would reject him, but accept another who came in his own name (John 5:43). Thus Jesus says when you hear these wars STAY AWAY !! Thus these false christs are SPECIFIC unto 70 AD.

Then in Matt. 24:7-14 Jesus foretells of the 2000 some odd year Church Age Period. There will be Nation (Ethnos or Race) against nation, Earthquakes, Plagues and Famines in different places, and via the Sorrows (Birth pangs) we understand at the very end these things will, like a pregnant woman, start becoming more frequent and more urgent in nature as per the signs that the baby (70th week) is coming. THEN in verse 9 Jesus reels in the overtly broad big picture of the Church Age and goes back to speaking specifically about his Disciples, he says they (the World/Roman leaders) will deliver you up to be killed, you will be hated of all nations (under Rome, of course) for my names sake, and many will be offended (at the whole Jesus is God references, by Jew and Gentile) and many FALSE PROPHETS shall arise, Notice, in verse 5 it is false christs, here in verse 11 it is false prophets or teachers, that's because in 70 AD it was about the Pharisees/Jews finding that promised Messianic figure who was supposed to save the from the Fourth Beast (Rome) and in verse 11 its about the 2000 year Church Age period via many coming false teachers/preachers of the Gospel. He then tells them that [in the end] many will wax cold and men's love will wax cold. But Jesus, having forewarned them in verse 9 that they would all be killed (save John of course), again forewarns them about enduring until the end [of ones life] like Paul stated, it is a Marathon, not a sprint, many people mistake this verse for end time or 70th week verbiage, but it is not, it is Jesus trying to prepare his disciples to the fact that they will all eventually be killed for Jesus' names sake. He doesn't want them pulling a Judas when faced with death. Then finally in verse 15 we see that Jesus tells the Disciples EXACTLY WHEN the END (70th week) would come where they could never, ever, ever be deceived by ANYONE !! Jesus said, when the Gospel has been preached unto ALL THE WORLD, then and only then will the end (70th week) come. Thus Jesus is also answering their questions in verse 3 somewhat, if not in full yet. Yet the Disciples knew that Jesus could not be in Jerusalem at the 70 AD events because they knew they had not preached the Gospel in the China and India regions !!

The Rapture thus happens and then THE END Comes or the 70th week tribulation period.

Matt. 24:15-31 is that 70th week tribulation period, we are seeing in verses 15-17 the AoD which happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem/Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. Jesus tells the Jews living at that time they need to flee into the Mountains, he then describes these troubles in detail, he tells about a FALSE PROPHET & FALSE CHRIST in verse 24 and this time adds in that these two will be able to preform miracles, that's because this is the Gentile King Dictator who says I alone can save mankind !! And his False Prophet Jewish High Priest who demands that all men worship this Gentile Beast as the only god, think TYPES here, then look back to Antiochus Epiphanes and a Jewish High Priest (Jason, real name Yeshua) he named the High Priest via a bribe, who then had Oniass III a pious High Priest (his own brother) killed, and Jason then welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, then Jason tried to Hellenize the Jews leading unto the infamous Maccabean Revolt. So, we indeed have a shadow of this which we can look unto in the past in Daniel 11:21-34, then we get the REAL THING in Dan. 11:36-45 so we can compare the two side by side !!

Jesus then shows how the Jews who repented CAN NOT be deceived, because (as he says) I have FOREWARNED them where to look for my coming, not anywhere this on earth, not in the Secret Store Chamber, not in the Desert, but in the Eastern Skies for all to see !! Amen. That is why Jesus says IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, even the Jews who suddenly became ELECTED (Repented) after the Rapture would be deceived, but it is not possible, because I have told you before[hand]. Matt. 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. [hand].

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[Rondonmon]

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Also, the Two-witnesses will be preaching to these 3-5 million Jews in the Petra/Bozrah area for many, many days, so THEY WILL KNOW, this man in Jerusalem is a Gentile King, not their Messiah, who will be coming soon with their justice, and with these wicked men's Judgments in hand. Jesus then gives them another hint, he says the Eagles are always where the carcass is at, and I think that alludes to Jesus being a Armageddon, so in essence he is saying do not even look for me, I will be taking care of business like a hungry eagle, and when I am finished I will come see you in the Bozrah/Petra area, he comes from Edom/Bozrah with blood stained garments as Isaiah 63 says. Then in verse 29 we are told Jesus will come immediately after God's Wrath (Sun and Moon sign) which we know lasts 1260 days, the 7th Vial being the Last vestige of God's Wrath !! Babylon the Great (Whole World who fights against God) is given the full wine-press of God's Wrath. Then Jesus shows up to save Israel.

In verses 32-35 we get the Parable of the Fig Tree which is not about Israel per se in this case, its about how the ripeness of the figs can tell us what season we are in !! Thus Jesus is telling us to LOOK for all the signs, not just some of them, in order to understand the end times, this is why I also look for the Mountain (Asteroid) that is to be cast into the Sea sign, its a no brainer, we can see these things coming 20-30 years out via NASA, so why doesn't this GREAT CONCEPT CLICK with people? It did me one day and I said DUH Lord, I have been on goofy pills all these years, of course that is the largest sign of the RIPE FIG (THE SEASON) we will ever get !!

Finally in verses 36-51 we get Jesus hinting at the Rapture, thus the Disciples were also told their coming fate (they will be a part of the Dead in Christ who ARISE in 1 Cor. 15:50-52). Jesus says in verse 36 that NO MAN can know the Hour nor the Day of this event, but we know the exact day of the Second Coming because it is MANDATED that the Beast can only rule over Israel for exactly 1260 days !! We also would know when the exact middle of the week would be (God's Wrath) because we would also know exactly when Israel signs on the dotted line with this E.U. President better known as the coming Anti-Christ, thus it would be exactly 1260 days into his reign when Jesus would need to rapture out the saints, there can be NO IMMINENCE in either case, the ONLY IMMINENCE is a Pre Trib Rapture of the Church.

Jesus also says it will be as the days of Noah, and people will be giving in marriage, partying, acting in a natural sort of way, THEN all of the sudden, just like when Noah entered the Ark, and the RAINS CAME, and [eventually] took them all away, likewise, when the Rapture happens they may not understand it as "RAINS" just yet, but all of those still living on this earth at that time will indeed be in THE RAINS of the coming tribulation period, just like the flood eventually took all of those wicked men away, the 70th week troubles to come will eventually see these men living during the 70th week with faces of horror also, even those who repent will do so with the gnashing of teeth, because the 5 Brides who missed the Rapture and then repent will have much troubles to face, most will become Martyrs, all because they were not ready for the Jesus' return fir them in the air, to take us to the Marriage Chambers for the 7 years that consummates the marriage of the groom to the bride. Jesus then says in Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

There are 10 Virgin Brides and only 5 are taken unto the wedding in heaven, above , we can also see Jesus referring unto a 50 percent ratio via the coming Rapture. Then Jesus says WATCH THEREFORE, for you do not know what hour the Lord will come. That can only be a pre trib rapture timing, the 2nd Coming will come EXACTLT 1260 days after the Beast conquers Israel and Jerusalem AND the middle of the week has to come exactly 1260 days AFTER Israel and the coming Anti-Christ make a Written Agreement together, both are KNOWN TIMELIMES.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
What or who do you think Acts 24:15 is referring to then??
"Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." Please advise.


What verse are you quoting from here? Of course, that will ultimately happen. But I would like to see that verse, for context. Does the verse indicate that both resurrections will occur at the same time? Of course not. Not even possible.

We know from Rev 20 that the saved are resurrected FIRST, and then followed by the unsaved, 1,000 years later for the GWT judgment.

Rev 20:11-13 explains the scroll of life is opened for all ressurected then.

This is wrong. The GWT judgment is only for the unsaved. The ones who never believed on Christ.

I counted 2 questions I asked you. Did you miss them or are you ignoring them?

-- John 5:27-29 explains what is occurring at the second ressurection. Those who did good to life, those who did vile things to destruction.

So you believe moral people will go to heaven and immoral people will go to the LoF?

 

[keiw]

FreeGrace2 said:
What or who do you think Acts 24:15 is referring to then??
"Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." Please advise.


What verse are you quoting from here? Of course, that will ultimately happen. But I would like to see that verse, for context. Does the verse indicate that both resurrections will occur at the same time? Of course not. Not even possible.

We know from Rev 20 that the saved are resurrected FIRST, and then followed by the unsaved, 1,000 years later for the GWT judgment.

This is wrong. The GWT judgment is only for the unsaved. The ones who never believed on Christ.

I counted 2 questions I asked you. Did you miss them or are you ignoring them?


So you believe moral people will go to heaven and immoral people will go to the LoF?

It says--scrolls were opened and the scroll of life was opened, so yes both are there then. The ones receiving a bad judgement are the first scrolls opened, the scroll of life is the good judgement.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It says--scrolls were opened and the scroll of life was opened, so yes both are there then. The ones receiving a bad judgement are the first scrolls opened, the scroll of life is the good judgement.

Please read Rev 20:11-15. "Death and Hades" were emptied to appear before the GWT judgment.

By the time the GWT occurs, the resurrection of all believers occurred 1,000 years prior.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It says--scrolls were opened and the scroll of life was opened, so yes both are there then. The ones receiving a bad judgement are the first scrolls opened, the scroll of life is the good judgement.

Please read Rev 20:11-15. "Death and Hades" were emptied to appear before the GWT judgment.

By the time the GWT occurs, the resurrection of all believers occurred 1,000 years prior.

The books of deeds are what the unsaved are judged on. They are already going to the LoF, but some will have it more bearable and some will have it less bearable, all based on the books of deeds.

Matt 10:15 - Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Matt 11:22- But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you.
Matt 11:24 - But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.”

I hope you realize that everyone viewed the citizens of S & G as the lowest of the low. So when Jesus compared people and cities of His day with those from S & G and said it would be "more bearable" for S & G than those living in Jesus' time, was quite a shocker.

The book of life is the list of all the saved. No one at the GWT judgment will be there. They were resurrected 1,000 years before.

By the time the GWT occurs, the resurrection of all believers occurred 1,000 years prior.

 

[keiw]

Please read Rev 20:11-15. "Death and Hades" were emptied to appear before the GWT judgment.

By the time the GWT occurs, the resurrection of all believers occurred 1,000 years prior.

All are dead who have died except the anointed who were taken in the first resurrection. Only the little flock goes in the first resurrection. They are numbered-144,000 Rev 14:3- Jesus will not have billions sitting on thrones beside him helping to judge.

 

[keiw]

Please read Rev 20:11-15. "Death and Hades" were emptied to appear before the GWT judgment.

By the time the GWT occurs, the resurrection of all believers occurred 1,000 years prior.

The books of deeds are what the unsaved are judged on. They are already going to the LoF, but some will have it more bearable and some will have it less bearable, all based on the books of deeds.

Matt 10:15 - Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Matt 11:22- But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you.
Matt 11:24 - But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.”

I hope you realize that everyone viewed the citizens of S & G as the lowest of the low. So when Jesus compared people and cities of His day with those from S & G and said it would be "more bearable" for S & G than those living in Jesus' time, was quite a shocker.

The book of life is the list of all the saved. No one at the GWT judgment will be there. They were resurrected 1,000 years before.

By the time the GWT occurs, the resurrection of all believers occurred 1,000 years prior.

The scroll of life wouldnt need to be opened unless both parties were in that ressurection.

 

[Jocund]

Please read Rev 20:11-15. "Death and Hades" were emptied to appear before the GWT judgment.

By the time the GWT occurs, the resurrection of all believers occurred 1,000 years prior.

The books of deeds are what the unsaved are judged on. They are already going to the LoF, but some will have it more bearable and some will have it less bearable, all based on the books of deeds.

Matt 10:15 - Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Matt 11:22- But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you.
Matt 11:24 - But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.”

I hope you realize that everyone viewed the citizens of S & G as the lowest of the low. So when Jesus compared people and cities of His day with those from S & G and said it would be "more bearable" for S & G than those living in Jesus' time, was quite a shocker.

The book of life is the list of all the saved. No one at the GWT judgment will be there. They were resurrected 1,000 years before.

By the time the GWT occurs, the resurrection of all believers occurred 1,000 years prior.

Revelation has more than one instance of the resurrection of the righteous, therefore "one resurrection of the righteous and one of the wicked" are talking about resurrection types rather than instances.

This means it is possible that some instances of righteous resurrection occur at the time of the GWT.

 

[kleronomos]

I believe that in the remaining steps of the Jewish Wedding process, the steps will be fulfilled for Israel in a separate manner.

Those are for the Jews, not the church. Remember the church separates itself from the Jews because the Jews have to stay SO FOR the church to turn around and use the holidays of those they separate themselves from is quite a leap of faith, way to big a leap for me. We do know the tares are gathered and burned before the wheat is gathered.

 

[ewq1938]

Rev 20:10 is very clear and specific about the beast and FP, both of who are human beings.

So why do you ignore that verse?

I don't I use it all the time to prove it is only speaking of the beast, FP and the devil.

BTW, the beast is a massive kingdom made up of ten kingdoms within the area of 7 mountains. That is not a "person". The FP is a person, some say it's a role satan plays as a pretend Christ, or a demon, or a human possessed by satan. Either way, not a normal person or maybe not a human person at all. Nevertheless the verse does not say anyone else is tormented forever and even that is likely a figure of speech, not a literal statement.

 

[ewq1938]

The scroll of life wouldnt need to be opened unless both parties were in that ressurection.

No, it needs to be opened to know who isn't in the book.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation has more than one instance of the resurrection of the righteous, therefore "one resurrection of the righteous and one of the wicked" are talking about resurrection types rather than instances.

This means it is possible that some instances of righteous resurrection occur at the time of the GWT.

No. When the dead in Christ resurrect, it's all of them not part of them. That means there are no saved dead anywhere when the second resurrection happens.