Does 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 Teach Jesus Will Return With Dead Saints Now With Him In Heaven?

[FreeGrace2]

Question: if "Abraham's Bosom" is a real place:

Where did Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Noah, Melchizedek, etc., go at their deaths which preceded the birth of Abraham?

In the OT all souls went to Sheol. Saved people went to Paradise, the place Jesus mentioned on the cross to the thief. Unsaved people went to Torments, where the rich man had a conversation with Abraham.

Why is it mentioned no where except a passage which should be obvious to anyone is parabolic, seeing that there's so many elements that cannot and do not happen in real experience, such as a man totally engulfed in flame having an intelligent conversation, or dead folks with bodies before the resurrection has taken place?

You just don't want to admit that souls don't sleep. It can be said that dead human bodies do "sleep in the grave" since the Bible uses that euphemism for physical death.

Why is Abraham the destination of the "seed of Abraham" who "belong to Christ" (Galatians 3:29 KJV) when the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, not Abraham?

Very few OT believers received the Holy Spirit. Only those who were given special jobs. And since Abraham is the "father of all who believe", it makes sense that he would be at the forefront in Paradise.

ANSWER: BECAUSE "ABRAHAM'S BOSOM" IS SYMBOLIC, AS IS THE REST OF THE PASSAGE.

You wish.

What you can't rationally explain is why Jesus would give such an UNreal parable that has no parallel to life. What was He teaching?

But, the real deal here is that by calling a teaching of Jesus a parable when the Bible doesn't only gives you an excuse to make up whatever you want and to ignore the reality that souls remain conscious after death.

So, no wonder you soul sleepers are so adamant to hang onto the parable theory.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Are you really missing the point on purpose? Or, because of your flawed idea that all souls sleep, you can't see that there is consciousness after death?

Sorry, but that is the direct opposite of Solomon says in Ecclesiastes, and I'm going with Solomon - see, I've got this little problem in that I prefer to trust the smartest man who ever lived:

9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.​

9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.​

9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.​

9:8 Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment.​

9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that [is] thy portion in [this] life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.​

9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.​

FUN FACT: OF THE 12 MIRACLE RESURRECTIONS IN SCRIPTURE WHEN CNN, MSNBC, FOX, OAN, BBC, SKY NEWS, ETC., WOULD HAVE SHOWN UP AND SHOVED A MICROPHONE IN THE FACE OF THE RESURRECTED AND ASKED THE BURNING QUESTION THAT HAS MYSTIFIED ALL OF MANKIND SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL, "WHAT HAPPENED AFTER YOU DIED???!!!"....NOT A SINGLE ONE HAD A THING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WHILE THEY WERE DEAD. WHY?

BECAUSE "THE LIVING KNOW THAT THEY SHALL DIE, BUT THE DEAD KNOW NOT ANYTHING".

 

[Phoneman-777]

You wrote "undefined BECAUSE ENDLESS". But it seems you just passed over that as if it didn't exist. Did you annihilate it or something?

Is English your first language? Because I CLEARLY addressed "undefined because endless" when I told you honest scholars reluctantly admit that usually ("usually" because so many erroneously believe as you do in eternal torment doctrine) applies to the affairs of God while "undefined but not endless" applies to the affairs of men.

Then, I showed you several examples of how "undefined but not endless" applied to the affairs of men and said the word "forever" is used many times in connection with things in Scripture that have ended.

There is no never-ending sinner, according to 1 John 3:15 KJV, because "if any man hateth his brother, he is a murderer and ye know (apparently, you don't yet) that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."

 

[John146]

Question: if "Abraham's Bosom" is a real place:

Where did Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Noah, Melchizedek, etc., go at their deaths which preceded the birth of Abraham?

Why is it mentioned no where except a passage which should be obvious to anyone is parabolic, seeing that there's so many elements that cannot and do not happen in real experience, such as a man totally engulfed in flame having an intelligent conversation, or dead folks with bodies before the resurrection has taken place?

Why is Abraham the destination of the "seed of Abraham" who "belong to Christ" (Galatians 3:29 KJV) when the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, not Abraham?

ANSWER: BECAUSE "ABRAHAM'S BOSOM" IS SYMBOLIC, AS IS THE REST OF THE PASSAGE.

How many times does scripture have to state something for it to be true? Once.

Abraham's bosom was also known as paradise. Those that died before Abraham went to paradise, aka Abraham's bosom.

 

[peldom10]

What do you mean, "can I?". Of course I do. I fully grasp Gen 2:7. God began with dirt, fashioned a body and then breathed a soul into the body, and that is when man "became a living being". Do you believe all this?


The Bible calls that "imperishable". I like that word.


Please go complain to the Apostle John who wrote Rev 20:10 which describes the fate of those who will be cast into the lake of fire.

What doesn't make sense from the soul sleepers and annihilators is that Jesus made up a parable that has ZERO relevance to real life.

Yeah, sure. The account of a beggar and rich man who died is an account of life in the after life.

I don't care who doesn't want to believe that, but the alternative, that Jesus simply made up a parable without any reference to reality is far worse.

Plus the mention of "souls in heaven".

I'm very comfortable with the evidence I know in the Bible.

What you guys call "evidence" simply is a gross misread and actually contradicts the evidence in the Bible.

U are attempting confusion.
Go back to the post I responded too and compare that to your...now...response.
If you have a memory problem...I understand.

 

[Phoneman-777]

FreeGrace2 said:
Please explain why Jesus gave a "parable" that was totally unreal and fantasy that has NO parallel in human life? Can you? In EVERY parable that Jesus gave, there was a REALISTIC scenario that EVERYONE CAN relate to.

Good gravy, it's like I'm debating a child SMH

I ALREADY SHOWED YOU JOTHAM'S PARABLE INSPIRED BY JESUS IN THE OT WHERE TREES WALK, TALK, AND MAKE HORRIBLE LIFE DECISIONS. DO YOU SEE ANY TREES WALKING, TALKING, AND VOTING DEMOCRAT?

 

[peldom10]

When "death" is understood as a separation, yes.

Physical death is the separation of soul and body. James 2:26 addresses this.

Spiritual death is the separation of person and God. So "eternal death" is simply eternal separation from God.

Spiritual death is separation of soul from God. Person is a earthy term....to general.

 

[Phoneman-777]

If death as in ceasing to exist were true why would God resurrect them? why not just leave them dead? .

Hello! You can't die the "second death" unless you first get raised to a "second life", right or wrong?

The Resurrection of the Just happens at Jesus' glorious coming, leaving the wicked to drop dead all over the world and join the already wicked dead, who will remain dead for 1,000 years on the now destroyed, desolate, empty, darkened, silent planet that was wrecked when Jesus came in glory...after which the Resurrection of the Damned takes place, where they rise to judgment, conviction, and execution. Why?

So the saints - after they get over their initial shock that they actually made it in - will have that time to review God's books so people like Stephen can see why Saul made it in and why those we thought would be out front leading the March of the Saints into the kingdom are no where in sight.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Are you really missing the point on purpose? Or, because of your flawed idea that all souls sleep, you can't see that there is consciousness after death?

Sorry, but that is the direct opposite of Solomon says in Ecclesiastes, and I'm going with Solomon - see, I've got this little problem in that I prefer to trust the smartest man who ever lived:

9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.​

9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.​

9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.​

9:8 Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment.​

9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that [is] thy portion in [this] life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.​

9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.​

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Here is a reasonable commentary from Dr Utley, easily found on the web.

9:5-6 The "under the sun" logic (sarcasm) of Qoheleth drives him to search for a lasting advantage (see note at Eccl. 1:3). If there is no God, there is no lasting advantage:

1. the living struggle with the fear of death ("know," BDB 393, KB 562, Qal active participle)
2. the living seek happiness ("reward," BDB 969 I)
3. the living seek memorials ("no memory," BDB 271), but in the end the life experience of all humans is the same---death (cf. Eccl. 9:2,3,6,11; 3:20)! There is no lasting advantage! No share (i.e., reward, cf. Eccl. 9:6 [BDB 324]) in life!

He comes to this conclusion based on life observances. This is an unfair, unjust, and surprisingly evil world. Often the promises of God seem not to be fulfilled in this life! The wicked prosper and have longevity! What can a person do? The book as a whole gives two answers:

1. enjoy life when and where you can (cf. Eccl. 2:24-26; 3:12,13,22; 5:18; 8:15; 9:7-9)
2. trust God and keep the commandments (even if the lasting advantage is not apparent, cf. Eccl. 12:13-14)

FUN FACT: OF THE 12 MIRACLE RESURRECTIONS IN SCRIPTURE WHEN CNN, MSNBC, FOX, OAN, BBC, SKY NEWS, ETC., WOULD HAVE SHOWN UP AND SHOVED A MICROPHONE IN THE FACE OF THE RESURRECTED AND ASKED THE BURNING QUESTION THAT HAS MYSTIFIED ALL OF MANKIND SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL, "WHAT HAPPENED AFTER YOU DIED???!!!"....NOT A SINGLE ONE HAD A THING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WHILE THEY WERE DEAD. WHY?

BECAUSE "THE LIVING KNOW THAT THEY SHALL DIE, BUT THE DEAD KNOW NOT ANYTHING".

This is a "fact"? No, it's only your wild imagination, based on your extreme prejudices.

And since you bring up interviewing resurrected people, how about just considering a real fact.

There have been many personal accounts of people who suffered car accidents, surgeries, etc who reported vivid scenes of floating above their bodies, hearing what others had said (verified) etc. Some described going down a long hallway towards a light.

The point being, with so many accounts and conversations that were heard by the one in the accident or surgery being verified by those who said them, such as Drs talking about sports, politics, etc during the surgery, etc, I will lean towards real facts rather than your wild imagination about what CNN etc would find IF IF IF they interviewed anyone.

btw, if you want to take Eccl 9:5 strictly literal, then he was saying that there is no heaven or hell.

Think about it.

Again, your ideas do line up very well with that of atheists.

Think about THAT!

 

[1ofthem]

Yes, Paul says they who live in sin are dead while they live, and will suffer the 2nd Death.

Most people don't get it that in order to die a 2nd death, you must be resurrected to a 2nd Life, which happens in the resurrections, the righteous coming forth to 2nd Life forevermore while the wicked come forth to suffer the 2nd Death.

"Forever" is translated from the word "aionios" which means "duration, either undefined but not endless or undefined because endless" and when appled to the affairs of men it means "not endless" but when applied to God is means "endless".

Isn't that what being born again by the Spirit does? Although our spirits were dead in sin, through Jesus Christ we are made alive.

John 10:10 says that He is come so that we might have life and have it more abundantly.

I guess, it is all in the way we look at death. To me, the death of the body is nothing. The body is just a vessel.

When God told Adam that he would surely die in the day that he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam died in the instant that he sinned. He didn't die physically, though, he died spiritually.

His body and his soul continued, yet he was separated from God (spiritually dead).

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
You wrote "undefined BECAUSE ENDLESS". But it seems you just passed over that as if it didn't exist. Did you annihilate it or something?

Is English your first language?

Dumb question.

Because I CLEARLY addressed "undefined because endless" when I told you honest scholars reluctantly admit that usually ("usually" because so many erroneously believe as you do in eternal torment doctrine) applies to the affairs of God while "undefined but not endless" applies to the affairs of men.

I EXPLAINED how "endless" DOES apply to God regarding His creation of the LoF. Didn't you or couldn't you read it?

Then, I showed you several examples of how "undefined but not endless" applied to the affairs of men and said the word "forever" is used many times in connection with things in Scripture that have ended.

My explanation refuted your attempt to negate that the LoF is endless.

There is no never-ending sinner, according to 1 John 3:15 KJV, because "if any man hateth his brother, he is a murderer and ye know (apparently, you don't yet) that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."

The verse does NOT support your opinion about there being "no never-ending sinner". I don't even know what you mean by that.

What I do know is that all souls will exist forever. Some with God for eternity, and most apart from God for eternity.

And all will be conscious for eternity.

What you cannot reconcile is your flawed view that ceasing to exist is some kind of consequence.

To even have a consequence MEANS and DEMANDS the person be conscious of it during its application.

And you can't show that a person who no longer exists can be conscious of not being conscious.

It just gets weirder and weirder, doesn't it.

You erroneously used avoidance of the death penalty as an example.

A better example would be surgery. Would anyone want to undergo surgery while conscious and no pain med? No.

Why not? They don't want to experience the PAIN of surgery. So Drs put them in a coma/under anesthesia so they won't feel anything during the surgery.

So, when unconscious, there are no feelings, no nothing. Therefore, no consequences to be experienced.

A consequence means to experience the result of actions. Or prove me wrong.

Since a consequence is experienced, and ceasing to exist cannot be experienced, your view falls apart.

 

[FreeGrace2]

U are attempting confusion.

I think you are confused.

Go back to the post I responded too and compare that to your...now...response.

What post #?

If you have a memory problem...I understand.

It is questionable how much you do understand.

 

[1ofthem]

When Jesus was crucified and died, he went and preached to the souls in prison.


However, his body just laid there in the tomb for three days until it was resurrected.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Please explain why Jesus gave a "parable" that was totally unreal and fantasy that has NO parallel in human life? Can you? In EVERY parable that Jesus gave, there was a REALISTIC scenario that EVERYONE CAN relate to.

Good gravy, it's like I'm debating a child SMH

Got it. Since you CAN'T explain it, you resort to ad hominem. That's childish.

I ALREADY SHOWED YOU JOTHAM'S PARABLE INSPIRED BY JESUS IN THE OT WHERE TREES WALK, TALK, AND MAKE HORRIBLE LIFE DECISIONS. DO YOU SEE ANY TREES WALKING, TALKING, AND VOTING DEMOCRAT?

How about being a bit more helpful and showing me what you mean by "Jothan's parable" and how Jesus was "inspired" by it.

After you do that, if you do, then explain what you think Jotham's parable was meaning. Just curious.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
When "death" is understood as a separation, yes.

Physical death is the separation of soul and body. James 2:26 addresses this.

Spiritual death is the separation of person and God. So "eternal death" is simply eternal separation from God.

Spiritual death is separation of soul from God. Person is a earthy term....to general.

See? You are confused. I gave the example of physical death, noted in James 2:26. It's NOT "general". It's specific.

But confused people will have struggles.

 

[kleronomos]

Sometimes it's just too easy:

"And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people." - Leviticus 20:6 KJV​

Question 1: Does "soul" refer to a disembodied poltergeist like in "Ghost", or a whole person by referencing "his"?
Question 2: Was Saul one of those souls that suffered the penalty for seeking after a familiar spirit? Yes, according to 1 Chronicles 10:13 KJV

Is it just too easy sometimes? You are blessed indeed. Me, I am not sure what you are looking for so I have done my best to answer what I believe are your questions.

Leviticus 20:6
And the person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits to prostitute himself with them and I will set My face against person that and cut off him from his people


Where is any sort of death mentioned?

ANSWER 1. Who was disembodied? Who is like a GHOST? WHERE is there any 'death' mentioned? 'him'-whole person
SEE BELOW
ANSWER 2. God doesn't say what went on in the grave/hell

1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;

1 Chronicles 10:14 And enquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.


The word is used to describe many different things about the moving creature that has life, like the lower animals, man as an individual or doing certain things, or having appetites and desires, or being mortal etc.


ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SOUL AS GHOST?

Job 11:20 But the eyes of the wicked shall fail, and they shall not escape, and their hope shall be as the giving up of the ghost.

5315. nephesh
Strong's Concordance
nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)
Definition: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion

Jeremiah 15:9 She that hath borne seven languisheth: she hath given up the ghost; her sun is gone down while it was yet day: she hath been ashamed and confounded: and the residue of them will I deliver to the sword before their enemies, saith the LORD.

or do you want it as 'dead '?

Numbers 9:6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:

 

[Phoneman-777]

Here is a reasonable commentary from Dr Utley, easily found on the web.

Reasonable according to who? "If they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is NO light in them." - Isaiah 8:20 KJV If a commentator disagrees with Solomon, as yours does, then there is "no light" in him.

This is a "fact"? No, it's only your wild imagination, based on your extreme prejudices.

If is a FACT that not one of those resurrected 12 uttered a single word about what was happening to them while they were dead.

And since you bring up interviewing resurrected people, how about just considering a real fact. There have been many personal accounts of people who suffered car accidents, surgeries, etc who reported vivid scenes of floating above their bodies, hearing what others had said (verified) etc. Some described going down a long hallway towards a light.

"They are the spirits of devils working miracles which go forth to deceive." The reason you're so messed up in your theology is because you're believe everything else but a plain "thus saith the Lord" like in Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV.

Again, your ideas do line up very well with that of atheists. Think about THAT!

So what? Yours line up perfectly with the pagan, occult papal Roman Catholic church, which is wrong about everything - they can't even get right the most elementary teaching of all, salvation by grace through faith, not works.

What a shame it's proven that siding with atheists is far less dangerous than with you and Catholicism.

 

[kleronomos]

Sorry, but that is the direct opposite of Solomon says in Ecclesiastes, and I'm going with Solomon - see, I've got this little problem in that I prefer to trust the smartest man who ever lived:

9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.​

9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.​

9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.​

9:8 Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment.​

9:9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that [is] thy portion in [this] life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.​

9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.​

FUN FACT: OF THE 12 MIRACLE RESURRECTIONS IN SCRIPTURE WHEN CNN, MSNBC, FOX, OAN, BBC, SKY NEWS, ETC., WOULD HAVE SHOWN UP AND SHOVED A MICROPHONE IN THE FACE OF THE RESURRECTED AND ASKED THE BURNING QUESTION THAT HAS MYSTIFIED ALL OF MANKIND SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL, "WHAT HAPPENED AFTER YOU DIED???!!!"....NOT A SINGLE ONE HAD A THING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WHILE THEY WERE DEAD. WHY?

BECAUSE "THE LIVING KNOW THAT THEY SHALL DIE, BUT THE DEAD KNOW NOT ANYTHING".

This reminds me of Job 38.

TRUE about his wisdom BUT NO WHERE does it state GOD SAID

It is about what he THINKS.


Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.

Ecclesiastes 1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

Ecclesiastes 1:15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.

Ecclesiastes 1:16 I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.

Ecclesiastes 1:17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.

Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

Ecclesiastes 2:1 I said in mine heart, Go to now, I will prove thee with mirth, therefore enjoy pleasure: and, behold, this also is vanity


NOTHING you are basing EVERYTHING ON is what GOD SAID is it?

HERE we have "all the host of them" finished

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

YET the 'wisest man' says

Ecclesiastes 4:16 There is no end of all the people, even of all that have been before them: they also that come after shall not rejoice in him. Surely this also is vanity and vexation of spirit.


THOSE TWO ARE AT DIRECT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER, how do you account for that? But there is some really good stuff in there. Just not a good foundation to be teaching from.



Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[FreeGrace2]

If is a FACT that not one of those resurrected 12 uttered a single word about what was happening to them while they were dead.

So you think that proves something?

What a shame it's proven that siding with atheists is far less dangerous than with you and Catholicism.

If you are comfortable with satisfying atheists, that's your problem. I don't make Catholics comfortable ever.

But, the real problem here is the fact that because Luke 16 and the rich man messes with your theology, you HAVE TO denigrate it down to a parable that allows you claim it means whatever YOU want it to mean.

Only Jesus explains His parables. And he didn't explain Luke 16. He didn't have to. It's very clear.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Isn't that what being born again by the Spirit does? Although our spirits were dead in sin, through Jesus Christ we are made alive. John 10:10 says that He is come so that we might have life and have it more abundantly.

Actually, the whole person aka "soul" is dead spiritually while in rebellion to Christ, not just the body or the spirit, and is why Paul says so in 1 Timothy 5:6 KJV.

I guess, it is all in the way we look at death. To me, the death of the body is nothing. The body is just a vessel.

Sorry, but that is pagan philosophy. The pagans taught the body shell drops off at death and releases the immortal soul. The Papacy dragged this, and many other false doctrines, into Christianity centuries ago to frighten the people into submission. Genesis 2:7 KJV is clear that the Soul comes into existence only as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life, and at death the reverse happens: the Spirit returns to God, the Body returns to dust, and the Soul ceases to exist. Immortality belongs to God alone (1 Timothy 6:15-16), is granted only to the those who seek for it (Romans 2:7 KJV), is withheld from those who don't (Romans 2:8-9 KJV), and is why there can't be a never-ending hell if there is no never-ending sinner (1 John 3:15 KJV).

When God told Adam that he would surely die in the day that he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam died in the instant that he sinned. He didn't die physically, though, he died spiritually.

Agreed. That's why "she (or he) that liveth in sin IS dead while she liveth."