Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

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Matthew 24 speaks of several Events, so anyone is capable of getting a piece of it correct. but hardly anyone ever gets it all correct.
What time frame is " before the flood"
One taken/left, BEFORE the flood

Before the trib is in no way the second coming on white horses.

Who are those individuals taken IMMEDIATELY before the trib????
 
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What time frame is " before the flood"
One taken/left, BEFORE the flood

Before the trib is in no way the second coming on white horses.

Who are those individuals taken IMMEDIATELY before the trib????
No One is taken before Tribulation because No Scripture tells us that!
You have to create that LIE to believe it.
 
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The Rapture Verses are the Process explained to the people of Thessalonica to how they will see their loved ones again who are now dead and buried. It's nothing more than an explanation of how Christ will gather us, not a time frame, Other Than Paul said at the Lord's (Second) Coming.
That means you are FRAMIMG that in the dynamic that rev 14:14, 1 thes4, and rev 19 white horses are all one and the same event.

Not even remotely plausible.
 
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That means you are FRAMIMG that in the dynamic that rev 14:14, 1 thes4, and rev 19 white horses are all one and the same event.

Not even remotely plausible.
No, that means you have a timeline that is flawed and cannot see your mistake.
 
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Show me a postrib rapture verse.
Should be easy
Very easy.

2 Thess 2:1-3
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

And you haven't even tried to explain it away.
 
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The Pre-Trib Rapture Myth is like watching your favorite NFL Team.

As long as they win, you ignore that ref's are calling bad calls in their favor, even though, others see it.

You want a Secret Coming so bad, you have rearranged Scripture to make the Myth true.
 

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FreeGrace2 said:
Your claim is a total error. The passage clearly speaks of . That's all believers.

And there is another error. I certainly DOES matter what the Bible says.


By you.


If it's too hot in the kitchen, go to the basement, or some other cooler place in the house.

Basically, you know that you are unable to refute what I post and the verses I quote actually SAY what I believe.
"gathering the elect from the 4 corners of the earth"

Undoubtedly surviving Israelites and only Israelites (Isa 27:12-13; Jer 31:7-10; Matt 24:31 etc).

Survivors of the gentile nations stay where they are....for obvious reasons.
 
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Show me correct timeline
Read Revelation 16

Verses 1-14 = Wrath
Verse 15 = Second Coming/Rapture like a Thief
Verse 16 = Armageddon

It does not get any clearer than that.

Matthew 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Verse 31 states first the Angels gather the Elect from the FOUR WINDS.

The Only Four Winds that exist are not in Space, but on Earth, where WINDS Exist at.

So, even Christ tells us we are gathered from Earth after the Tribulation.
 

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The above statement is a lie, according to the Bible...

It tells us that we RISE and are caught UP before we come down with Him at His Second Coming:

1 Thess
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

While we are up there for 7 years, we participate in the Wedding. It is only then that we return back down with Him at His Second Coming:

Revelation
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Glad to see you back here brother. Warmest regards and God bless your new year.
 
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If Noah does not board the Ark, he drowns like the others. So he was not Exempt from the Flood but had to OBEY direct specific orders.
 
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You left out the Seventh bowl.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So you position is rapture and then second coming on horses after the 7 th bowl?


"""31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Verse 31 states first the Angels gather the Elect from the FOUR WINDS.

The Only Four Winds that exist are not in Space, but on Earth, where WINDS Exist at."""

So it says "gathered from heaven", but you tramspose it to earth.
It says "angels gather" bit you change that also.

Then you go with some notion that 4 winds can not be heaven.

Wow
You changed most everything!

Good postrib rapture doctrine. Very consistent!

Pssssst. I already debunked that 4 wind magic bullet of your teachers.
 
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If Noah does not board the Ark, he drowns like the others. So he was not Exempt from the Flood but had to OBEY direct specific orders.
He was safely in the ark PREFLOOD. ...fact
Noah rose over a mile into the heavens....fact
Ark is a type of heaven...fact

Noah Returned FROM THE HEAVENS postrib/ postjudgement TO EARTH.....fact.

You need all that changed....fact
 
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If Lot looks back, he becomes like his wife. So even he was not exempt from Tribulation and had to OBEY direct specific orders.
What did you prove?
Lot removed AFTER the city burned?
You are not making any sense