Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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In the pre-trib view all the saints on earth who are alive at that time are taken in 1 Thes., along with all the saints who have lived and died in Christ from the beginning of time. There are no saints left on earth when the book of Rev. begins to unfold, and neither are there any remains left of those saints in the grave.
Can you prove from scripture this is incorrect?
Can you prove from scripture this is incorrect?
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"""15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."""
Fits pretrib rapture like a glove.
Comes as a thief vividly depicted in mat 25, the 10 virgins where half are left in shame.....as the verse in rev declares.
Jesus changes gears in that verse to make that pretrib rapture starement.
He is not coming as a thief after the wrath .
I only know of one time where a thief came on millions of horses.
Oh wait....no it has never happened.
Psssst...all rapture verses are peacetime and normal life.
Fits pretrib rapture like a glove.
Comes as a thief vividly depicted in mat 25, the 10 virgins where half are left in shame.....as the verse in rev declares.
Jesus changes gears in that verse to make that pretrib rapture starement.
He is not coming as a thief after the wrath .
I only know of one time where a thief came on millions of horses.
Oh wait....no it has never happened.
Psssst...all rapture verses are peacetime and normal life.
lol
Mat 24 CLEARLY depicts 2 completely separate comings.
Vivid and undeniable.
Psssst...noah before the flood.
( you need it to read " after the flood")
Then we have " one taken/left".
(That same ratio is given 5 or so sentences later in the 10 virgin parable. Basically in the same breath)
Mat 24 CLEARLY depicts 2 completely separate comings.
Vivid and undeniable.
Psssst...noah before the flood.
( you need it to read " after the flood")
Then we have " one taken/left".
(That same ratio is given 5 or so sentences later in the 10 virgin parable. Basically in the same breath)
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FreeGrace2 said:
Your claim is a total error. The passage clearly speaks of gathering the elect from the 4 corners of the earth. That's all believers.
And there is another error. I certainly DOES matter what the Bible says.
By you.
If it's too hot in the kitchen, go to the basement, or some other cooler place in the house.
Basically, you know that you are unable to refute what I post and the verses I quote actually SAY what I believe.
Your claim is a total error. The passage clearly speaks of gathering the elect from the 4 corners of the earth. That's all believers.
And there is another error. I certainly DOES matter what the Bible says.
By you.
If it's too hot in the kitchen, go to the basement, or some other cooler place in the house.
Basically, you know that you are unable to refute what I post and the verses I quote actually SAY what I believe.
Actually, it's not. It is rather clear as the Bible has presented it.
What is a mystery is why so many people continue to believe that Jesus comes in the clouds, resurrected and raptures believers and then takes them all up to heaven. The Bible says nothing about that.
As to a "rapture", all that means is that the living believers on earth when Jesus returns at the Second Advent will be "changed in the twinking of the eye" (1 Cor 15:52) and receive their glorified bodies.
What is a mystery is why so many people continue to believe that Jesus comes in the clouds, resurrected and raptures believers and then takes them all up to heaven. The Bible says nothing about that.
As to a "rapture", all that means is that the living believers on earth when Jesus returns at the Second Advent will be "changed in the twinking of the eye" (1 Cor 15:52) and receive their glorified bodies.
Those who are actually familiar with the Bible know this is just nonsense.
2 Thess 2:1-3 very plainly tells us WHEN "those who belong to Him" (1 Cor 15:23, Rev 20:5) will be given glorified bodies (resurrection).
Very simple, in fact.
Since there are very clear verses that teach a single resurrection for all believers and 1 Cor 15:23 specifically says it will be "when He comes", it IS an open and shut case.
It is the pretribbers, who have NO verse saying that Jesus will resurrect and rapture believers and then take them to heaven.
2 Thess 2:1-3 very plainly tells us WHEN "those who belong to Him" (1 Cor 15:23, Rev 20:5) will be given glorified bodies (resurrection).
Very simple, in fact.
Since there are very clear verses that teach a single resurrection for all believers and 1 Cor 15:23 specifically says it will be "when He comes", it IS an open and shut case.
It is the pretribbers, who have NO verse saying that Jesus will resurrect and rapture believers and then take them to heaven.
During the Tribulation. Beheaded FOR Christ. Then "raised to life" (resurrection) and will reign with Christ during the Millennium.
When Jesus returns (when He comes - 1 Cor 15:23) and resurrects "those who belong to Him" (1 Cor 15:23) all believers will have received their glorified bodies.
There will be NO living mortal believers left.
Have you carefully cut 2 Thess 2:1-3 out of your Bible yet?
But don't stop there. Also remove MTT 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:23, 1 Cor 15:23 and Acts 26:23.
Because they all refute your position.
When Jesus returns (when He comes - 1 Cor 15:23) and resurrects "those who belong to Him" (1 Cor 15:23) all believers will have received their glorified bodies.
There will be NO living mortal believers left.
Have you carefully cut 2 Thess 2:1-3 out of your Bible yet?
But don't stop there. Also remove MTT 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:23, 1 Cor 15:23 and Acts 26:23.
Because they all refute your position.
If the kids are in the classroom and the bus engine is cooling off in the parking lot , nobody is gonna say "prove" they didn't get there after school"
That is how absurd ANY POSTRIB rapture dynamic is.
"""But, but, show me where " black car" is written on the black car that hit the kid on the bike
.......Therefore no black car hit the kid"""
Intertaining and comical.
I destroy any possibility of postrib rapture.
I render it impossible.
They sit in ashes, ruined, and are oblivious
That is how absurd ANY POSTRIB rapture dynamic is.
"""But, but, show me where " black car" is written on the black car that hit the kid on the bike
.......Therefore no black car hit the kid"""
Intertaining and comical.
I destroy any possibility of postrib rapture.
I render it impossible.
They sit in ashes, ruined, and are oblivious
Easily.
There is only one resurrection of believers: Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:23, 1 Cor 15:23 and Acts 26:23.
The so-called rapture occurs with the resurrection.
2 Thess 2:1-3 times the rapture with the Second Advent.
1 Cor 15:23 clearly says that "those who belong to Him" (all believers) will be resurrected when He comes.
There CANNOT be a resurrection before the Trib since there is clearly a resurrection after the Trib. Rev 20:5.
This is irrefutable.
There is only one resurrection of believers: Matt 22:30, Luke 14:14, Acts 24:23, 1 Cor 15:23 and Acts 26:23.
The so-called rapture occurs with the resurrection.
2 Thess 2:1-3 times the rapture with the Second Advent.
1 Cor 15:23 clearly says that "those who belong to Him" (all believers) will be resurrected when He comes.
There CANNOT be a resurrection before the Trib since there is clearly a resurrection after the Trib. Rev 20:5.
This is irrefutable.