Are you certain of going to heaven when you die ?
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@Hann57
It’s not good to quote scripture without God’s Love….
Imagine you are God..creator of EVERYTHING yet what you desire and want the MOST…..CANNOT be created…GOD IS LOVE…the greatest desire of LOVE is…. to love and to be loved.
This is God’s great dilemma… He can create beings and even worlds that will love Him BUT, if God does not give them freedom to choose to love Him then, they are robots and God is NOT TRULY LOVED.
The ONLY reason any of us get to have free will and make a choice and make a decision is because God wants our love and wants us to receive His Love for us and forever be in a loving family relationship with our Creator.
Isn’t God wonderful and amazing?! I give Him ALL my love, I choose to love Him completely and for all eternity…I hope you will do the same.
It’s not good to quote scripture without God’s Love….
Imagine you are God..creator of EVERYTHING yet what you desire and want the MOST…..CANNOT be created…GOD IS LOVE…the greatest desire of LOVE is…. to love and to be loved.
This is God’s great dilemma… He can create beings and even worlds that will love Him BUT, if God does not give them freedom to choose to love Him then, they are robots and God is NOT TRULY LOVED.
The ONLY reason any of us get to have free will and make a choice and make a decision is because God wants our love and wants us to receive His Love for us and forever be in a loving family relationship with our Creator.
Isn’t God wonderful and amazing?! I give Him ALL my love, I choose to love Him completely and for all eternity…I hope you will do the same.
@Hann57
Without Jesus Christ, ALL PERISH, including you Hann…..
HOWEVER, ALL that are IN CHRIST shall LIVE FOREVER ETERNALLY, including you Hann!
God said it, not me or you. God does NOT lie. We can trust Him….He is faithful, amen.
Hann - you are loved! You need to decide….
Without Jesus Christ, ALL PERISH, including you Hann…..
HOWEVER, ALL that are IN CHRIST shall LIVE FOREVER ETERNALLY, including you Hann!
God said it, not me or you. God does NOT lie. We can trust Him….He is faithful, amen.
Hann - you are loved! You need to decide….
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Why does your "Spiritual Status" say "not Christian".....
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Not even Paul was certain of his own salvation:
Paul - if anyone ever took Christ as his Savior it was Paul - wrote in 1 Cor 9:27: "I chastise my body and lead it into subjection, so that after preaching to others, I may not be rejected at the scrutiny." Even after his heroic work for Christ, Paul knew His body might lead him into sin, and so he could lose salvation.
Paul also warned that we must persevere in living our faith in Christ, until the very end of our lives.
Paul - if anyone ever took Christ as his Savior it was Paul - wrote in 1 Cor 9:27: "I chastise my body and lead it into subjection, so that after preaching to others, I may not be rejected at the scrutiny." Even after his heroic work for Christ, Paul knew His body might lead him into sin, and so he could lose salvation.
Paul also warned that we must persevere in living our faith in Christ, until the very end of our lives.
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Those that believe in Jesus Christ as their Messiah, Savior, Lord and King are Christians. They are NOT ashamed to be called Christians...followers of Christ - The Anointed One.
Acts 11:25-27
King James Version
25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
Acts 26:27-29
King James Version
27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.
1 Peter 4:15-17
King James Version
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Acts 11:25-27
King James Version
25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
Acts 26:27-29
King James Version
27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.
1 Peter 4:15-17
King James Version
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
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No, Paul knew he could NOT lose his salvation. His sin greatly grieved him like any believer that falls into sin but, never did he believe he could lose his salvation.
Christ and Christ ALONE gets ALL the glory, praise and honor for each Believer's salvation, amen.
Christ and Christ ALONE gets ALL the glory, praise and honor for each Believer's salvation, amen.
Those that believe in Jesus Christ as their Messiah, Savior, Lord and King are Christians. They are NOT ashamed to be called Christians...followers of Christ - The Anointed One.
Acts 11:25-27
King James Version
25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
Acts 26:27-29
King James Version
27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.
1 Peter 4:15-17
King James Version
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Acts 11:25-27
King James Version
25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.
Acts 26:27-29
King James Version
27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.
28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
29 And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear me this day, were both almost, and altogether such as I am, except these bonds.
1 Peter 4:15-17
King James Version
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
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Oh @Hann57
Isn't God's Love AMAZING?!!! His Ways are so much higher than ours, His thoughts are so much wiser than ours, and His Love...WOW! His Love is so much higher, wider, and deeper than ours.
How can we ever know or comprehend God unless He reveals Himself to us?!
I'm so glad He does with His Word and His Holy Spirit. I absolutely loooooooove Jesus Christ and the Father and the Holy Spirit! Don't you?
Isn't God's Love AMAZING?!!! His Ways are so much higher than ours, His thoughts are so much wiser than ours, and His Love...WOW! His Love is so much higher, wider, and deeper than ours.
How can we ever know or comprehend God unless He reveals Himself to us?!
I'm so glad He does with His Word and His Holy Spirit. I absolutely loooooooove Jesus Christ and the Father and the Holy Spirit! Don't you?
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Jesus say a lot, not small amount people think go to heaven and not
Matt 7
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Jesus say a lot of people think they go to heaven, by faith not by work, but we learn from these verses below real faith produce good work, or Jesus say depart from Me
Salvation is by faith not by work, but don't forget on the last judgement Jesus exament if your faith genuine by your work
The root cause of salvation is faith, not work, but according to Jesus real faith cause you to love, help the poor.
In my country people love the rich and don't like to be the poor's friend, even in the church.
But Jesus say if you hate the poor you not go to heaven. So by faith or by love the poor?
By faith and real faith will produce love the poor, if you say you have faith but hate the poor, you are lie, your faith is not real
Matt 25
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Matt 7
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Jesus say a lot of people think they go to heaven, by faith not by work, but we learn from these verses below real faith produce good work, or Jesus say depart from Me
Salvation is by faith not by work, but don't forget on the last judgement Jesus exament if your faith genuine by your work
The root cause of salvation is faith, not work, but according to Jesus real faith cause you to love, help the poor.
In my country people love the rich and don't like to be the poor's friend, even in the church.
But Jesus say if you hate the poor you not go to heaven. So by faith or by love the poor?
By faith and real faith will produce love the poor, if you say you have faith but hate the poor, you are lie, your faith is not real
Matt 25
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
I have a friend, he is Christian and recently become rich, he looking for another pretty woman. He say salvation by faith and love Jesus but as a man, we need sex, my wife too old, we need young and pretty. I am not going divorce my wife, but need more, any way salvation by faith and not work, Jesus die for my sin
You raise an interesting point, however, with a great deal of confusion.
Are the heavens plural? Yes.
There is the heaven above us - the atmosphere. There is the heaven above that - space, stars and planets. There is a third heaven - 2Co_12:2 I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knows), such a one caught up even to the third heaven.
Christ, when He Prayed, looked up to heaven - but since the earth rotates on it's axis and Christ prayed at different times, where exactly was He looking?
In 2 Cor. 5:1, You noted, our future was in the shedding of this body and the putting on of the body made by God. This is true, we will all inherit a body made for eternity. However, ones hope, upon death, is expressed in the following:
1Jn 3:2,3 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is. And every one that hath this hope set on him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
AND:
Php 1:21-24 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if to live in the flesh,--if this shall bring fruit from my work, then what I shall choose I know not. But I am in a strait betwixt the two, having the desire to depart and be with Christ; for it is very far better: yet to abide in the flesh is more needful for your sake.
Every believer's hope is to be with the Lord. But where is the Lord - right now? He is at the righthand of His Father. The righthand of the Throne.
Isa 6:1-3 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and his train filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is Jehovah of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Where is the throne of God?
Rev_11:19 And there was opened the temple of God that is in heaven; and there was seen in his temple the ark of his covenant; and there followed lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Where the Lord was and is, is called heaven. However, heaven is not a place, clearly understood by us, in the present age.
Are the heavens plural? Yes.
There is the heaven above us - the atmosphere. There is the heaven above that - space, stars and planets. There is a third heaven - 2Co_12:2 I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knows), such a one caught up even to the third heaven.
Christ, when He Prayed, looked up to heaven - but since the earth rotates on it's axis and Christ prayed at different times, where exactly was He looking?
In 2 Cor. 5:1, You noted, our future was in the shedding of this body and the putting on of the body made by God. This is true, we will all inherit a body made for eternity. However, ones hope, upon death, is expressed in the following:
1Jn 3:2,3 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is. And every one that hath this hope set on him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
AND:
Php 1:21-24 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if to live in the flesh,--if this shall bring fruit from my work, then what I shall choose I know not. But I am in a strait betwixt the two, having the desire to depart and be with Christ; for it is very far better: yet to abide in the flesh is more needful for your sake.
Every believer's hope is to be with the Lord. But where is the Lord - right now? He is at the righthand of His Father. The righthand of the Throne.
Isa 6:1-3 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and his train filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is Jehovah of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Where is the throne of God?
Rev_11:19 And there was opened the temple of God that is in heaven; and there was seen in his temple the ark of his covenant; and there followed lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Where the Lord was and is, is called heaven. However, heaven is not a place, clearly understood by us, in the present age.
Oh @Hann57
Isn't God's Love AMAZING?!!! His Ways are so much higher than ours, His thoughts are so much wiser than ours, and His Love...WOW! His Love is so much higher, wider, and deeper than ours.
How can we ever know or comprehend God unless He reveals Himself to us?!
I'm so glad He does with His Word and His Holy Spirit. I absolutely loooooooove Jesus Christ and the Father and the Holy Spirit! Don't you?
Isn't God's Love AMAZING?!!! His Ways are so much higher than ours, His thoughts are so much wiser than ours, and His Love...WOW! His Love is so much higher, wider, and deeper than ours.
How can we ever know or comprehend God unless He reveals Himself to us?!
I'm so glad He does with His Word and His Holy Spirit. I absolutely loooooooove Jesus Christ and the Father and the Holy Spirit! Don't you?
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I just worked you out, I think we would all agree you are saved, but there is something skew whiff with you. You seem to doubt others are saved. This is what has caused a little wrinkle in my brow.
But I've got it.
You are trusting doctrines to be saved, correctitude of doctrine is what decides someone's salvation in your mind.
That is wrong
Jesus saves, all who call upon Him to be saved and believe on Him to be saved will be saved. Personally He comes and saves us, He lifts us up and fixes us up.
You can learn the doctrines later. ... some folks never do learn them aright.
But I've got it.
You are trusting doctrines to be saved, correctitude of doctrine is what decides someone's salvation in your mind.
That is wrong
Jesus saves, all who call upon Him to be saved and believe on Him to be saved will be saved. Personally He comes and saves us, He lifts us up and fixes us up.
You can learn the doctrines later. ... some folks never do learn them aright.
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