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[Phoneman-777]

I was wondering how you viewed her writings. Some SDAs seem to think her grocery list was inspired.

I saw a SDA Saturday school (?) lesson about Ellen G White, talking about what kind of woman she was. It seemed really weird to me. I wouldn't imagine Methodists had books with little pictures about John Wesley and his preaching or Presbyterians with pictures of Calvin or Knox in Sunday school.

Christians quote other Christian's words all the time. R. C. Sproll and Billy Graham are favorites among many radio preachers. But the minute someone quotes EGW, everyone loses their minds SMH

 

[Phoneman-777]

Hi, as I said I am a Seventh Day Adventist. The only reason this question answer post is here is because I have seen many people throw things at my Faith without really knowing what we believe.

So I will be answering any Bible questions you have if I can. Repeat BIBLE questions. Everything I believe and that my Church teaches is firmly based in Scripture and no where else.

Now I have a lot on my plate so please be patient with me. This post is not designed to argue but rather help those who wish to better understand our position. You do not have to agree with me in any way. I will however be using the bible to answer any questions. so if you need to discuss anything with me about a topic that you think I am wrong in then feel free. but use your Bible. I will not pay any heed to those who come in here and rant on their soap box without scripture to back them up.

In other words, lets be Christian about this. I have no need nor want to put others down. and will not respond to put downs and unchristian behaviour.

One other thing. I am a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor, and one thing I have learnt is that most Professed Seventh Day Adventists do not know what we actually believe. Why do I say this? Because While you may have read things about us and done some study. chances are, you don't understand half as much about our teaching as you think you do.

I do not pretend to know everything about how other faiths believe even though I used to be a pentecostal. I am not ignorant enough to think that I know them because I once was one. so please afford me the same respect.

That being said, May God bless us all as we draw closer to Him in truth and in Spirit.

I'm a proud Seventh-day Adventist and I challenge ANYONE to disprove any of my beliefs from Scripture, be they having to do with prophecy, salvation, the New Covenant, the Ten Commandments, Christian lifestyle, the State of the Dead, the Reward of the Wicked, etc. While I love the writings of EGW, I don't have to appeal to a single word of them.

"The Bible, and the Bible alone is our creed, the sole bond of union". - EGW.

It is the BIBLE we use in order to substantiate any one of our spiritual propositions - beliefs that have time and time again been proven to stand the test of Biblical scrutiny like no others.

 

[posthuman]

Jesus", took the form of an Angel and was called "Michael" which means "Who is as God".

there's a pretty big and obvious flaw with that - 'Mikael' means 'who is like God?' in the sense that it is an interrogative, not a descriptive phrase.

 

[Phoneman-777]

there's a pretty big and obvious flaw with that - 'Mikael' means 'who is like God?' in the sense that it is an interrogative, not a descriptive phrase.

Er...I've known for almost two decades "Mee--Kie-El" means "Who is like God". It is not necessarily interrogative, which would be a silly name for anyone - no other Biblical name is a question.

BTW, were you ever able to locate even a single verse in Scripture where it says the wicked are able to be recipients of "agape" love? After I shot down your attempt to make "agapeo" the same as "agape" so could appeal to John 3:19 as "proof" that the wicked can be recipients of "agape" - which any sane person can see is not the case because they fully understand it's impossible for an enemy of God's agape love to partake of God's agape love - I never heard back from you.

Are you willing to admit the "many" of Matthew 24:12-13 KJV are saints now, because the text says these "many" allow their "agape" love to grow cold and dead? If you can accept that "lukewarmness" is enough for Jesus to spit them out of His mouth, how much more objectionable to Jesus are these "many" whose "agape" grows COLD and dead within them?

Therefore, these "many" partakers of God's "agape" love cannot be the wicked - but are the righteous - and, according to Matthew 24:12-13 KJV, wind up LOST due to their allowing iniquity to kill their agape cold and dead.

 

[presidente]

Why don't SDA's ascribe deity to the prophet Michaiah who revealed Ahab's upcoming death?

After all nany beings could be called el. Angels are called elobim. But Iah is a shortened form of the divine name that appears in human names.

 

[presidente]

Christians quote other Christian's words all the time. R. C. Sproll and Billy Graham are favorites among many radio preachers. But the minute someone quotes EGW, everyone loses their minds SMH

Most people do not take long flowery writings from Sproll or Graham on health or a million other topics and treat them like they are inspired by God or church doctrine. Some SDAs act like this.

I don't care much if a preacher writes a dull or flowery book on health. But it would bother me if people treated those writings as if they were important spiritual documents, kind of like the Bible. Not all SDAs are quite like that. Some seem to be.

 

[presidente]

If I wasn't very clear in the last post, 'Who is like YAH" is a more exalted-sounding name than "Who is like el'?

Yah refers to Yahweh. Elohim usually refers to Yahweh in the Bible, but it also refers to lesser beings like angels. Thou hast made him a little lower than the angels Hebrews says, but the Hebrew says elohim.

To be said to be like Yahweh is a much clearer and exalted thing than to be said to be like 'el.

Micaiah the prophet has the more grandious-sounding name, IMO, than the archangel.

 

[posthuman]

Er...I've known for almost two decades "Mee--Kie-El" means "Who is like God". It is not necessarily interrogative, which would be a silly name for anyone - no other Biblical name is a question.

Micah, a shortened form of Mikayah, means "who is like Yah?"

 

[unelie]

does He know how many mansions to build?
does He build a random number and hope it's enough? will he have too many, or not enough?
He knows if He has lost one sheep or not - and He won't lose one. so does He know how many sheep He has?

He's a carpenter - does He have a good guess at how long it will take Him to carpenter something?
all things were made by Him - is time a created thing, or is time older than God?
so is He inside it? or is it inside Him?

SDA believe that Jesus knows all things, being God. The usual interpretation I heard was that he chose not to know some things with his human brain, while being on earth.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Why don't SDA's ascribe deity to the prophet Michaiah who revealed Ahab's upcoming death?

After all nany beings could be called el. Angels are called elobim. But Iah is a shortened form of the divine name that appears in human names.

Because the prophet you speak of wasn’t appearing as an angel as Jesus did to Abraham, Moses, Manoah, Joshua, etc., when on those occasions the Angel appearing freely received worship, and rightly so.

He was an ordinary created human prophet.

Created angels refuse worship, as did the angel appearing to John, but God manifesting Himself as an Angel deserves all the worship and adoration available.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Most people do not take long flowery writings from Sproll or Graham on health or a million other topics and treat them like they are inspired by God or church doctrine. Some SDAs act like this.

I don't care much if a preacher writes a dull or flowery book on health. But it would bother me if people treated those writings as if they were important spiritual documents, kind of like the Bible. Not all SDAs are quite like that. Some seem to be.

Well, if she was indeed a prophet, we must remember what the Scripture says about God's prophets:

"Believe in God, and thou shalt be established. Believe His prophets and thou shalt prosper."

I don't know a single person who's been hurt by reading EGW. The Health Message has proven to benefit countless people; the counsel on Christian lifestyle, marriage, rearing children, etc., are indispensable. Many Adventist preachers know that non-Adventist preachers are using EGW's writings because they hear them quoting from her writings, sometimes verbatim, but they can never admit where they are getting their info from, which is cool - as long as people are hearing and accepting truth, that's all that matters.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Micah, a shortened form of Mikayah, means "who is like Yah?"

Wrong, sir. "Micah is derived from the Hebrew "Michaiah", and is a response to "who is like God", namely "who is a coward", a rhetorical question to which the answer is "none who trust in YHWH", and is meant as a show of trust in Him.

I'm not sold on "Who is as God" being interrogatory, but if that is so, I still have no problem applying it to Jesus because no one would ever agree such a name could ever be associated with a created being, right?

https://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Micah.html

 

[presidente]

Well, if she was indeed a prophet, we must remember what the Scripture says about God's prophets:

"Believe in God, and thou shalt be established. Believe His prophets and thou shalt prosper."

I don't know a single person who's been hurt by reading EGW. The Health Message has proven to benefit countless people; the counsel on Christian lifestyle, marriage, rearing children, etc., are indispensable. Many Adventist preachers know that non-Adventist preachers are using EGW's writings because they hear them quoting from her writings, sometimes verbatim, but they can never admit where they are getting their info from, which is cool - as long as people are hearing and accepting truth, that's all that matters.

I"ve never heard of non-SDA preachers quoting EGW. Do you know of any of her prophecies that came to pass?

 

[presidente]

Wrong, sir. "Micah is derived from the Hebrew "Michaiah", and is a response to "who is like God", namely "who is a coward", a rhetorical question to which the answer is "none who trust in YHWH", and is meant as a show of trust in Him.

Huh? That comes across as almost blasphemous. You are looking at the wrong name. That name, Micah, has an aleph, not a yodh, there at the end of the syllable. I am talking about Micah referenced in I Kings 22:8 and onward in the passage. The name translates as 'Who is like Yah', and 'Yah' is short for 'Yahweh.' It is much more explicitly referring to the Creator than the name Michael, since "el" shows up in words that reference the Creator, Yahweh, but also to other beings in addition to Yahweh in certain context

I'm not sold on "Who is as God" being interrogatory, but if that is so, I still have no problem applying it to Jesus because no one would ever agree such a name could ever be associated with a created being, right?

Of course we could. Micaiah was a human prophet. There are also multitudes of human beings named Michael, Michelle, Mikail, etc. on the earth today.

 

[presidente]

Because the prophet you speak of wasn’t appearing as an angel as Jesus did to Abraham, Moses, Manoah, Joshua, etc., when on those occasions the Angel appearing freely received worship, and rightly so.

He was an ordinary created human prophet.

Created angels refuse worship, as did the angel appearing to John, but God manifesting Himself as an Angel deserves all the worship and adoration available.

'Worship' is used to translate both a Hebrew and Greek word for prostration.

But where did anyone worship Michael. Michael has a name that means 'who is like God/god'. Micaiah has a name that translates 'who is like Yahweh.' The name does not prove divinity.

Michael is a prince of Israel, but in the passage, there is also a prince of Persia. Why would these two princes be two types of entities? Why would one be divine, but the other not?

 

[presidente]

But the minute someone quotes EGW, everyone loses their minds SMH

Btw, this is a strange comment, because Ellen G. White is a kind of historically obscure figure that most Christians have never heard of, and most people in most churches wouldn't know who she was if someone quoted her and mentioned her name. SDAs may not be aware of that.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I"ve never heard of non-SDA preachers quoting EGW. Do you know of any of her prophecies that came to pass?

Not prophecies, of course, because most if not all non-SDA pastors have drunk the Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism koolaid. However, when it comes to family and relationships and even points on salvation, I've heard several SDA pastors claim they recognize quotations from the Spirit of Prophecy used in non-SDA sermons.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Huh? That comes across as almost blasphemous. You are looking at the wrong name. That name, Micah, has an aleph, not a yodh, there at the end of the syllable. I am talking about Micah referenced in I Kings 22:8 and onward in the passage. The name translates as 'Who is like Yah', and 'Yah' is short for 'Yahweh.' It is much more explicitly referring to the Creator than the name Michael, since "el" shows up in words that reference the Creator, Yahweh, but also to other beings in addition to Yahweh in certain context



Of course we could. Micaiah was a human prophet. There are also multitudes of human beings named Michael, Michelle, Mikail, etc. on the earth today.

I included a link to the article on "Micah". There, the Hebrew commentator says "Micah" is a shortened form of "Michaiah" and says it means "who is a coward" (Micah) as a response to "who is like God" (Michaiah). It's like one guy saying, "There's nobody like God" and another guy responding, "With God, we have nothing to fear". Nothing blasphemous about it.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Btw, this is a strange comment, because Ellen G. White is a kind of historically obscure figure that most Christians have never heard of, and most people in most churches wouldn't know who she was if someone quoted her and mentioned her name. SDAs may not be aware of that.

I'm saying if non-SDAs believe it is acceptable to appeal to non-Biblical sources like Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon, Adam Clarke, etc., they shouldn't criticize SDAs for doing the same.

 

[presidente]

I included a link to the article on "Micah". There, the Hebrew commentator says "Micah" is a shortened form of "Michaiah" and says it means "who is a coward" (Micah) as a response to "who is like God" (Michaiah). It's like one guy saying, "There's nobody like God" and another guy responding, "With God, we have nothing to fear". Nothing blasphemous about it.

No, Micaiah means 'who is like Yah.' There may be different views over whether Micaiah is a shortened form of Micaiah or has the other meaning you mentioned. But Micaiah does not mean 'who is a coward.'

You can look up the name in an interlinear, looking at I Kings 22:8. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_kings/22-8.htm

מִיכָ֖יְהוּ

The yod and heh are clearly right there in the name.

Look at other names, Elijah, Isaiah, Obedaiah.

There was also a priest named 'Eli', without even the 'Mica' part on it and he was a human being.