How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

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peldom10 said:
No saints are returning at the rapture.
Saints are returning with Christ at the 2nd advent to fight the great battle of Armageddon.
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Thank You for the update.

The Saints who are with Christ now are returning with Him at His Second Coming = 1 Thess 4:13-18

Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that
God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep/died in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.

After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.


PEACE Brother and than you for sharing.
 
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DavidTree said:
Thank You for the update.

The Saints who are with Christ now are returning with Him at His Second Coming = 1 Thess 4:13-18

Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that
God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep/died in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.

After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.


PEACE Brother and than you for sharing.
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Do you believe that the rapture is the 2nd advent of Christ?
He is going to appear for the time of a ....blink of an eye???
 
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peldom10 said:
Do you believe that the rapture is the 2nd advent of Christ?
He is going to appear for the time of a ....blink of an eye???
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For Christ did not enter a man-made copy of the true sanctuary, but He entered heaven itself, now to appear on our behalf in the presence of God.
Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world.
But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin,
but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.

Hebrews 9:24-28

PEACE
 
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Friend said:
I wore out lets say six or seven very high quality bibles over the years and it wasn't until I was older that I was seeing these things... I've been a full time self supported missionary in Pakistan and Mexico for the last 22 years. I have absolutely no fear of death or a love for the present, even though I have an amazing wife (Pakistani) but we are looking forward to being home with the Lord...
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My wife and i also Brother - Amen
 
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Laura798 said:
GaryA I think you need to understand SYMBOLISM and that Revelation is SYMBOLIC -- again you can't take the whole book literally.
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I think you need to understand that my ability to properly discern literal from non-literal is far better than you imagine.

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If the "souls under the altar" are not [real] literal souls, what are they?

What is the altar a symbol of? (as related to the answer of the above question)

What are the "other" souls symbolic of? (as related to the answers of the above questions)

What is your "totally 100% symbolic" interpretation of that passage?
 
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ewq1938 said:
No, it's an attempt to show you the personal insults in some of your posts so you can stop using that type of language. No one likes a mirror held up to them.
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Please explain [exactly-and-precisely] what you meant by that last sentence in the context of what you wrote before it.
 
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ewq1938 said:
Which was said to John, not the churches.

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
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John's experience (him having been called to go up), and it being in the Spirit, works as a simulator of what the Rapture/Being taken up/harpazo
ewq1938 said:
Which was said to John, not the churches.

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
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John's experience serves us as a simulator of the certainty and order of the rapture.
 
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DavidTree said:
For Christ did not enter a man-made copy of the true sanctuary, but He entered heaven itself, now to appear on our behalf in the presence of God.
Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world.
But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin,
but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.

Hebrews 9:24-28

PEACE
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'That's great.

I repeat my question? See 5,442 post.
 
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Pablo2021 said:
John's experience (him having been called to go up), and it being in the Spirit, works as a simulator of what the Rapture/Being taken up/harpazo

John's experience serves us as a simulator of the certainty and order of the rapture.
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simulator definition: One that simulates, especially an apparatus that generates test conditions approximating actual or operational conditions.

God does not use 'simulators' as HE has ALL Power and Authority and there is nothing hidden from His sight.

Instead of trying to prove 'pre-trib' as true you should first search the Scriptures to see if God said it.

Then, if you find God declaring it to be from Him, only then you embrace His words.

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DavidTree said:
God answered your question from His word. Do you not believe what God has said in Hebrews ch9 ???
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What God says and what others believe can be different sometimes.
If you don't want to answer the question...I understand.
 
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Pablo2021 said:
John's experience (him having been called to go up), and it being in the Spirit, works as a simulator of what the Rapture/Being taken up/harpazo

John's experience serves us as a simulator of the certainty and order of the rapture.
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No, it is not related to the rapture of the living and remaining saints. One person is not "the rapture" John was also not changed to an immortal. John was also not taken to the clouds. There is more not in line with the rapture than is.
 
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peldom10 said:
What God says and what others believe can be different sometimes.
If you don't want to answer the question...I understand.
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I believe what God said in Hebrews ch9 which HE also said in 1 John ch2 and ch3 and 1 Thess & 2 Thess and Revelation and
in 1 Corinthians ch15.

Do you know of some place in Scripture where God said something contrary???
 
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Laura798 said:
This short video from Unlearn the Lies makes clear using scripture that we do not enter Paradise until the Resurrection and cannot do so until we receive our new immortal bodies---how important it is to understand this truth.
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Paradise?

Are you sure that is the word you want to use?

What will you then do with this verse/passage? :

2 Corinthians 12:

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
 
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GaryA said:
In that particular case, just point all fingers at the wood chipper... ;)

(But, don't get too close!)

:D
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Be careful not to follow that advice "too closely" ;) ;) or fingers could get caught in the wood chipper... :p










(My only intent is humor. I certainly do not mean to "make light" of anyone's bodily injury.)
 
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iTheophilus said:
I'd put it another way. :whistle:

The parable of the ten virgins is a clear image of the many people who will be deceived in these latter days and, as a result, will take the mark of the beast. Deception arises from a lack of knowledge, and many people will perish as a result of this lack of knowledge.
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How so?
Where is any persecution, mark, warzone context, great tribulation context,or antichrist figure in the parable.?

Be specific.
 
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Laura798 said:
This video has an old school style, but this man does an excellent job 'testing scripture against scripture' showing we do not ascend to heaven before the resurrection.

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Nobody i know of on this thread has ever placed the resurrection of the dead in Christ after the Ascension.

Unless you are postrib and think rev 14:14 , (the jewish gathering), is heaven making a mistake.

They are the only ones doing that
 
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iTheophilus said:
I'd put it another way. :whistle:

The parable of the ten virgins is a clear image of the many people who will be deceived in these latter days and, as a result, will take the mark of the beast. Deception arises from a lack of knowledge, and many people will perish as a result of this lack of knowledge.
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Could you refer me to the exact interpretation of where you or some member here presented the correct view.?
Possibly a posting number?
 
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