How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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To address your other [long-ago] post (I can't keep up the pace of this thread 
), where you'd said it must be "the marriage CHAMBER" because it has a DOOR ("shut"-action)...
Well, to that point (I'd been meaning to address), the word in this Matthew 25:10 text "G1062" is the SAME Greek word used in the following verse:
--Matthew 22:10 - "G1062" - https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/22-10.htm ... and note that THIS is NOT "the marriage CHAMBER" (where the Bride & Groom are to be when it pertains to the "MARRIAGE" ITSELF / UNIONed-with thing, i.e. ALONE TOGETHER ).
These verses [/passages] are speaking to "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER / FESTIVITIES" (not the "MARRIAGE" itself, pertaining SOLELY TO "the Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]" and the "Bridegroom" [singular]" and which WILL take place UP THERE... but "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" is the EARTHLY MK age [at least its inauguration])
), where you'd said it must be "the marriage CHAMBER" because it has a DOOR ("shut"-action)...Well, to that point (I'd been meaning to address), the word in this Matthew 25:10 text "G1062" is the SAME Greek word used in the following verse:
--Matthew 22:10 - "G1062" - https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/22-10.htm ... and note that THIS is NOT "the marriage CHAMBER" (where the Bride & Groom are to be when it pertains to the "MARRIAGE" ITSELF / UNIONed-with thing, i.e. ALONE TOGETHER
).These verses [/passages] are speaking to "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER / FESTIVITIES" (not the "MARRIAGE" itself, pertaining SOLELY TO "the Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]" and the "Bridegroom" [singular]" and which WILL take place UP THERE... but "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" is the EARTHLY MK age [at least its inauguration])
^ You guys crack me up.
I'll try to explain (give me the full five minutes to edit this post, for me to finish this point ):
Would you agree that vv.41 and 46 go together (same effect / outcome / end), right?
Consider: the word in v.41 "G4198" - "depart / go / travel" ("DEPART [G4198] from Me...") is the same word used in Matt2:20 where it says, "go / depart / travel [G4198] unto the land of Israel, for have died those seeking the life of the Child"... They were to "DEPART / TRAVEL / GO UNTO"... which required them to take a certain path getting them to such a destination (but they would not immediately be "zapped" to there)
You guys crack me up.I'll try to explain (give me the full five minutes to edit this post, for me to finish this point
):Would you agree that vv.41 and 46 go together (same effect / outcome / end), right?
Consider: the word in v.41 "G4198" - "depart / go / travel" ("DEPART [G4198] from Me...") is the same word used in Matt2:20 where it says, "go / depart / travel [G4198] unto the land of Israel, for have died those seeking the life of the Child"... They were to "DEPART / TRAVEL / GO UNTO"... which required them to take a certain path getting them to such a destination (but they would not immediately be "zapped" to there)
"DEPART [G4198] from Me UNTO the lake of fire..." is the SENTENCE pronounced at that point in time... and these "GO AWAY UNTO eternal punishment" (which starts immediately upon that pronouncement; They DO NOT ENTER the MK age; Instead, "hell" is their immediate destination... "the lake of fire" their ultimate destination, once "the DEAD" [when "Death and Hell/Hades GAVE UP the dead..."] will stand before the GWTj; i.e. the SENTENCE is not ever "reversed"
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^ You guys crack me up.
I'll try to explain (give me the full five minutes to edit this post, for me to finish this point ):
Would you agree that vv.41 and 46 go together (same effect / outcome / end), right?
Consider: the word in v.41 "G4198" - "depart / go / travel" ("DEPART [G4198] from Me...") is the same word used in Matt2:20 where it says, "go / depart / travel [G4198] unto the land of Israel, for have died those seeking the life of the Child"... They were to "DEPART / TRAVEL / GO UNTO"... which required them to take a certain path getting them to such a destination (but they would not immediately be "zapped" to there)
You guys crack me up.I'll try to explain (give me the full five minutes to edit this post, for me to finish this point
):Would you agree that vv.41 and 46 go together (same effect / outcome / end), right?
Consider: the word in v.41 "G4198" - "depart / go / travel" ("DEPART [G4198] from Me...") is the same word used in Matt2:20 where it says, "go / depart / travel [G4198] unto the land of Israel, for have died those seeking the life of the Child"... They were to "DEPART / TRAVEL / GO UNTO"... which required them to take a certain path getting them to such a destination (but they would not immediately be "zapped" to there)
Should we assume the King has a procedure in place to make sure His judgement is seen through to the end? That seems like a fair assumption.
The only method of going to the eternal fire (the lake of fire) that the Bible speaks of is being cast into the lake of fire or being thrown there. See Revelation 19:20 and Revelation 20:15.
So the method of departing to travel to the lake of fire is by being thrown there. Do you know how fast God can throw someone? He can throw someone with perfect instancy anywhere He wants without delay.
Matthew 25, the sheep and goat judgement, is definitely the GWTJ.
You seem to be suggesting that - if there is 7 years between a 'rapture' and the 'Second Coming' (pre-trib view; separate events) - there will be people who "live through" to the Millenium - but that - if there is only [say] 7 minutes between those same two 'events' (post-trib view; same event) - no one will "live through" to the Millenium.
What???
What???
Another question, where it says (in 16:14,16 and ESPECIALLY in 19:19) [where John saw] "...and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together TO MAKE WAR AGAINST Him that sat on the horse, AND AGAINST His army"... is it your understanding that these "kings of the earth, and their armies" (esp. in view of what 16:14,16 says) are cognizant of the fact that they are going "TO WAR [AGAINST]," at least, against something [or someones]...? (iow, are they aware they are headed for the purpose of warring against, or are they simply following the direction of "the spirits of devils" without their really being cognizant of their going "TO WAR AGAINST" something [or someones in particular... but who?? from their perspective]... according to how you're seeing this? Just wondering (... if you can grasp what I'm endeavoring to convey here
)Dear Sister = YES and AMEN to Isaiah 9:6
YES and AMEN to "this prophecy indicates that the Kingdom is established at the incarnation and it is established 'from this time forth and forevermore'."
JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords is reigning NOW = TODAY = in the hearts of His People = Us who know & love Him
A Literal 1,000 Years had a Literal meaning from God since Genesis but man fell short of that God's Glory and could not fulfill it.
When God created everything HE said it was GOOD.
Sin changed that, therefore that GOOD Literal 1,000 Year walk with God, no man could fulfill.
We see this in Genesis where men lived upwards of 300, 400, 600, 700, 800 and even 900 Literal Years.
GOD will not let satan and sin be victorious. BEHOLD, HE makes ALL things NEW.
Not only will the Redeemed walk with GOD for 1,000 literal years buy he will also Rule & Reign with CHRIST the LORD.
Dear Sister, this is God's Promise to His Redeemed, do not fight against the Promise of God as religious men always do.
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YES and AMEN to "this prophecy indicates that the Kingdom is established at the incarnation and it is established 'from this time forth and forevermore'."
JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords is reigning NOW = TODAY = in the hearts of His People = Us who know & love Him
A Literal 1,000 Years had a Literal meaning from God since Genesis but man fell short of that God's Glory and could not fulfill it.
When God created everything HE said it was GOOD.
Sin changed that, therefore that GOOD Literal 1,000 Year walk with God, no man could fulfill.
We see this in Genesis where men lived upwards of 300, 400, 600, 700, 800 and even 900 Literal Years.
GOD will not let satan and sin be victorious. BEHOLD, HE makes ALL things NEW.
Not only will the Redeemed walk with GOD for 1,000 literal years buy he will also Rule & Reign with CHRIST the LORD.
Dear Sister, this is God's Promise to His Redeemed, do not fight against the Promise of God as religious men always do.
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DavidTree, was there a time in the not too distant past when you hadn't accepted the fact there will be a literal "1000 year reign" commencing upon His return to the earth (Rev19), OR... am I confusing you with another poster (back then, not terribly long ago, from what I vaguely recall)?? I'm asking, too, because I've noticed sometimes you've "LIKED" posts made by others who are not writing in agreement with the literal 1000-yr MK age (future). So that kinda confused me (and made it unclear to me, your view, for certain).
You don't have to respond if you don't care to... I was just wondering (...AND wondering if my foggy memory is even remotely recalling such a thing correctly. )
You don't have to respond if you don't care to... I was just wondering (...AND wondering if my foggy memory is even remotely recalling such a thing correctly.
)Their first stop is "death" and the location is "hell" (these are immediate).
That eventually takes them [later] to the GWTj, when "Death" and "Hell / Hades" GAVE UP the dead which were in them.
I'm not saying that Jesus' pronouncement were merely "words" without power [/effect]," no. (As though they could choose to go against His words and do whatever they want to do, like go home, like you say.)
Right, but this will be AFTER "DEATH" and "HELL / HADES" GAVE UP the dead which were in them (which takes place at the LATER GWTj point in the chronology). What takes place in Matthew 25:41 is the "DEPART [G4198 - travel] from [apo - away from] Me... UNTO..." (but "death" and "hell / hades" is the first stop on that journey; and both the "death" / "hell/hades" AND "the lake of fire" are components of what v.46 speaks of: "[go away unto] ETERNAL PUNISHMENT" (i.e. the SENTENCE is never "reversed"; meaning, once the lost experience "death" and "hell / hades," there is NO second chance to "reverse" this)
No, they were not asking Him ANYTHING regarding "the end of THE AGE [SINGULAR] TO COME"...
... but rather, they were asking Him (v.3) re: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (which He had ALREADY spoken to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50, which is FOLLOWED BY "the age [singular] TO COME" [aka the earthly MK age--connected with earth-time as we know it--so "1000 YEARS"... and in EVERY case in Scripture where the word "YEARS" is used with a number, it MEANS "THAT MANY *years*"--that is, the writer wants the reader to picture "THAT MANY YEARS" in their mind when they read the text])
That eventually takes them [later] to the GWTj, when "Death" and "Hell / Hades" GAVE UP the dead which were in them.
I'm not saying that Jesus' pronouncement were merely "words" without power [/effect]," no. (As though they could choose to go against His words and do whatever they want to do, like go home, like you say.)
Right, but this will be AFTER "DEATH" and "HELL / HADES" GAVE UP the dead which were in them (which takes place at the LATER GWTj point in the chronology). What takes place in Matthew 25:41 is the "DEPART [G4198 - travel] from [apo - away from] Me... UNTO..." (but "death" and "hell / hades" is the first stop on that journey; and both the "death" / "hell/hades" AND "the lake of fire" are components of what v.46 speaks of: "[go away unto] ETERNAL PUNISHMENT" (i.e. the SENTENCE is never "reversed"; meaning, once the lost experience "death" and "hell / hades," there is NO second chance to "reverse" this)
No, they were not asking Him ANYTHING regarding "the end of THE AGE [SINGULAR] TO COME"...
... but rather, they were asking Him (v.3) re: "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (which He had ALREADY spoken to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50, which is FOLLOWED BY "the age [singular] TO COME" [aka the earthly MK age--connected with earth-time as we know it--so "1000 YEARS"... and in EVERY case in Scripture where the word "YEARS" is used with a number, it MEANS "THAT MANY *years*"--that is, the writer wants the reader to picture "THAT MANY YEARS" in their mind when they read the text])
They do enter the MK Era but not as still living breathing flesh n blood people.
The Goats will be those who are resurrected for the GWT Judgment.
No one goes into the Lake of Fire until GWT, except for Two Individuals = the Antichrist and the False Prophet
Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur,
into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown.
There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
The Goats will be those who are resurrected for the GWT Judgment.
No one goes into the Lake of Fire until GWT, except for Two Individuals = the Antichrist and the False Prophet
Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.
"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur,
into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown.
There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
DavidTree, was there a time in the not too distant past when you hadn't accepted the fact there will be a literal "1000 year reign" commencing upon His return to the earth (Rev19), OR... am I confusing you with another poster (back then, not terribly long ago, from what I vaguely recall)?? I'm asking, too, because I've noticed sometimes you've "LIKED" posts made by others who are not writing in agreement with the literal 1000-yr MK age (future). So that kinda confused me (and made it unclear to me, your view, for certain).
You don't have to respond if you don't care to... I was just wondering (...AND wondering if my foggy memory is even remotely recalling such a thing correctly. )
You don't have to respond if you don't care to... I was just wondering (...AND wondering if my foggy memory is even remotely recalling such a thing correctly.
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You will see me agreeing with those who say that Christ is King now and Ruling now in all of His Redeemed.
DavidTree, was there a time in the not too distant past when you hadn't accepted the fact there will be a literal "1000 year reign" commencing upon His return to the earth (Rev19), OR... am I confusing you with another poster (back then, not terribly long ago, from what I vaguely recall)?? I'm asking, too, because I've noticed sometimes you've "LIKED" posts made by others who are not writing in agreement with the literal 1000-yr MK age (future). So that kinda confused me (and made it unclear to me, your view, for certain).
You don't have to respond if you don't care to... I was just wondering (...AND wondering if my foggy memory is even remotely recalling such a thing correctly. )
You don't have to respond if you don't care to... I was just wondering (...AND wondering if my foggy memory is even remotely recalling such a thing correctly.
)
Since the Thousand Year Reign does not occur until His Second Coming it does not change His Second Coming unless they deny/alter that with other error.
So, maybe that is what you have seen connected to me.