How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[Absolutely]

"The Bridegroom comes before the marriage occurs." If that happens pre-trib then it excludes saints from the great tribulation. While they're up in heaven eating, drinking, making merry, and get married, all of the other brides are suffering great tribulation. I don't believe God will allow that, do you?

The reason for this is that the pre-tribulation rapture theology has holes in it because it isn't scriptural. That much is obvious to many of us here in this thread.

If you care about the integrity of the scriptures, and I think you do deep down, you have to admit that the only way it makes sense is if the gathering to the marriage is post-tribulation.

It turns out that the Bible does teach the post-tribulation gathering. That's what we've been trying to show you for a while now. Do you see it yet?

....and yet mat 25 vividly, vividly depicts half left behind.AT THE RAPTURE PRETRIB.

We see in the same breath , Jesus depicts half left behind in mat 24 and says "watch and be ready"

It seems impossible to miss.

 

[shittim]

That's how I get it, He is coming first for those who are watching and waiting for Him.

 

[Charlie24]

I'm not saying it- SCRIPTURE is--I am amazed as I posted numerous--NUMEROUS translations that say in plain simply language--I notice most of your posts are opinions Charlie--and I find it astounding the thumbs up and prizes given to opinions vs the WORD OF GOD. Utterly and completely discouraging.

We Pre-trib believers see a physical kingdom coming Laura. There is no doubt Christ is ruling in the hearts of the true believers, no one denies that. We find the thought of Christ ruling this earth at present to be silly, just look around, that is not happening.

But when He comes to sit on David's literal throne, literally in Jerusalem, then we can say Christ is ruling the earth, Satan will be cast into prison.

 

[iTheophilus]

I know you need the 4 horsemen that kick off the great tribulation to be EXACTLY like noah living among heathens on earth before the flood, and lot living in sodom among heathens before it burned.

Not bible.
Not true no matter how cleverly you spin it.

It is as if you guys think the wrath of the 4 horsemen is just a little speed bump.
...and going so far as to say noah and lot lived in EXACTLY that dynamic prior to being gathered prejudgement.

I know...I know.....your deal needs that to be inverted.

Hello, @Absolutely

Who are the “riders“ of the 4 horses? Who controls them?

 

[DavidTree]

I know you need the 4 horsemen that kick off the great tribulation to be EXACTLY like noah living among heathens on earth before the flood, and lot living in sodom among heathens before it burned.

Not bible.
Not true no matter how cleverly you spin it.

It is as if you guys think the wrath of the 4 horsemen is just a little speed bump.
...and going so far as to say noah and lot lived in EXACTLY that dynamic prior to being gathered prejudgement.

I know...I know.....your deal needs that to be inverted.

Good Morning Brother,

We do not need the 4 horsemen to kick off GT. What we all need is to let Scripture minister to us and not vice versa.

The first KEY to understanding is to be and accept the Child of God that you are and i am in Him.
On two separate occasions the Lord placed a children in fron of the Disciples and said:
"Unless you become like a little child you will not enter into the Kingdom"
"Unless you become like a little child you cannot serve in the Kingdom"

This is what a little child does = believes and consumes every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God.

Have you refreshed yourself in Genesis today to see why the whole world was in the GT leading up to Noah entering the Ark?
Whereby only 8 souls were save...................

God's Book is a Children's Book where 'learned men' apply their deep intellectual skills and end up confused and misguided.

 

[Absolutely]

Hello, @Absolutely

Who are the “riders“ of the 4 horses? Who controls them?

Evil entities sent from heaven.

What do you guys do when you see israel judged by other nations.

God using other nations to judge and carry out his anger?

 

[DavidTree]

We Pre-trib believers see a physical kingdom coming Laura. There is no doubt Christ is ruling in the hearts of the true believers, no one denies that. We find the thought of Christ ruling this earth at present to be silly, just look around, that is not happening.

But when He comes to sit on David's literal throne, literally in Jerusalem, then we can say Christ is ruling the earth, Satan will be cast into prison.

AMEN
Feast on this Bread of Life = Romans 8:18-21

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
AMEN

 

[DavidTree]

I'm not saying it- SCRIPTURE is--I am amazed as I posted numerous--NUMEROUS translations that say in plain simply language--I notice most of your posts are opinions Charlie--and I find it astounding the thumbs up and prizes given to opinions vs the WORD OF GOD. Utterly and completely discouraging.

Dear Laura, Fill your spirit, soul and mind with this Living Word for you.

Feast on this Bread of Life = Romans 8:18-21

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
AMEN

 

[iTheophilus]

Evil entities sent from heaven.

Yeah, they the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are being spiritually ridden by Satan.

 

[peldom10]

You haven't studied that word properly. Satan is the king or ruler of this world.

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.



Prince here doesn't mean second in command or something like we think in modern English, it means the ruler, the first in rank or power:

G758
a?´????
archo¯n
ar'-khone
Present participle of G757; a first (in rank or power): - chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.


G758
a?´????
archo¯n
Thayer Definition:
1) a ruler, commander, chief, leader
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: present participle of G757
Citing in TDNT: 1:488, 81

You are wrong.
She is right on...study your Bible. If needed use the KJV1611 edition.
For starters study the book of Job.

 

[Absolutely]

ok
Show me the rapture in all that.

You are trying to lay vast foundation in order to make something fit.

Will note that you left out "watch and be ready " concerning the one taken.
But let's play it out . 2 in a bed sleeping.

Jesus warns us " watch and be ready for when you are in bed with a satan worshipper, one day i will come before judgement and rapture that demonic person and you will wake up UNPREPARED.

Huh?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Any postribbers want to correct me?
I am playing out postrib rapture beliefs.( one taken in mat 24 is a wicked satan worshipping person in bed with an on fire for God believer.)
Any insight?

 

[peldom10]

Satan did not exist in time, Charlie before his rebellion--he was in eternity with the Father. Satan is prince of the 'world', but he is not King. To deny Christ's present kingship is to deny Him--Christ has defeated sin and death at the cross--He said the kingdom of God has come when He walked on the earth and said "My kingdom is not of this world"-I challenge you to look at the opposing side's commentaries and you will see why what you believe is so very wrong--and against Christ.

Christ rules and reigns in the hearts of the believers on this earth and we know He is reigning now as the bible says He sits at the right hand of the Father. All who choose can be cleansed of their sins and receive the gift of eternal life--in this way Satan is 'figuratively' bound.

Thanks for your accurate summary of this point.
Those new age religion folks are like the political left...they will not will even consider opposing facts.
All they have to do to acknowledge your point is .......study the book of Job to understand God's reign over satan. But, they don't want to because it does not fit their narrative of fact.
It is unfortunate but, those who reject Christ as King...are rejecting God.

 

[Absolutely]

Yeah, they the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are being spiritually ridden by Satan.

" ....he that letteth now lets until he be taken out of the way...."

That unleashes the white horse rider.

He is released by heaven...as are the next 3

 

[DavidTree]

Thanks for your accurate summary of this point.
Those new age religion folks are like the political left...they will even consider opposing facts.
All they have to do to acknowledge your point is .......study the book of Job to understand God's reign over satan. But, they don't want to because it does not fit their narrative of of fact.
It is unfortunate but, those who reject Christ as King...are rejecting God.

You speak like the serpent in the Garden.

No one has denied that Christ is King here. Have you never read the Scripture?

It is written Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords.

Satan is lord, ruler and god of this present world/age that blinds the minds of those who are unable to see the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Christ.

SEE Post #4,777

 

[Absolutely]

Good Morning Brother,

We do not need the 4 horsemen to kick off GT. What we all need is to let Scripture minister to us and not vice versa.

The first KEY to understanding is to be and accept the Child of God that you are and i am in Him.
On two separate occasions the Lord placed a children in fron of the Disciples and said:
"Unless you become like a little child you will not enter into the Kingdom"
"Unless you become like a little child you cannot serve in the Kingdom"

This is what a little child does = believes and consumes every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God.

Have you refreshed yourself in Genesis today to see why the whole world was in the GT leading up to Noah entering the Ark?
Whereby only 8 souls were save...................

God's Book is a Children's Book where 'learned men' apply their deep intellectual skills and end up confused and misguided.

You talked all around my post then schooled me in being a christian.

What is going on?

 

[DavidTree]

You talked all around my post then schooled me in being a christian.

What is going on?

???

i included myself, as this is the Path to the Kingdom and ALL that is made available to us thru submitting unto Christ.

We are both in School under the Teacher who is the Holy Spirit.

 

[peldom10]

We Pre-trib believers see a physical kingdom coming Laura. There is no doubt Christ is ruling in the hearts of the true believers, no one denies that. We find the thought of Christ ruling this earth at present to be silly, just look around, that is not happening.

But when He comes to sit on David's literal throne, literally in Jerusalem, then we can say Christ is ruling the earth, Satan will be cast into prison.

Christ is ruling....God's plan.
A careful study of God's word will reveal that pre trib. time will be in a descending moral mode. We see that currently with rapid progress of all elements of mankind converging. A falling away..if you will.

 

[peldom10]

You speak like the serpent in the Garden.

No one has denied that Christ is King here. Have you never read the Scripture?

It is written Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords.

Satan is lord, ruler and god of this present world/age that blinds the minds of those who are unable to see the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Christ.

SEE Post #4,777

You apparently haven't...... the Bible says satan is the prince of this world. Further, In Job God is shown restricting satan.
Geesscch..isn't that enough? where are you from?
Enough said.

 

[Charlie24]

Christ is ruling....God's plan.
A careful study of God's word will reveal that pre trib. time will be in a descending moral mode. We see that currently with rapid progress of all elements of mankind converging. A falling away..if you will.

I can go along with that, but as long as Satan is on the loose, He is not ruling this earth! But only in the hearts of the believers.

Sure He's in control of all things, but not ruling over man placing in subjection to His will, that is yet to come.

 

[DavidTree]

You apparently haven't...... the Bible says satan is the prince of this world. Further, In Job God is shown restricting satan.
Geesscch..isn't that enough? where are you from?
Enough said.

Friend, you are not reading my Posts for if you did you would see that i clearly stated Christ is KING of kings and LORD of lords.

There are evil ruling principalities over which satan is king.

The Book of Job perfectly points this Truth out for us to see as does Revelation.