About prophesying
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Using definition 
rophecy is message from God
Mean bible is also prophecy
Out from the Bible, if you speak Indonesian, go to YouTube google murtadin testimonies we see a lot oMuslim accept Jesus because of dreams or visions that can be call prophecy because direct message from God
So I believe the gift of prophecy still operate now
rophecy is message from God Mean bible is also prophecy
Out from the Bible, if you speak Indonesian, go to YouTube google murtadin testimonies we see a lot oMuslim accept Jesus because of dreams or visions that can be call prophecy because direct message from God
So I believe the gift of prophecy still operate now
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Posthuman's question was in this comment:
"interesting question about that:
does this count as 'confessing that Christ has come in the flesh' ?
When He had come to the other side, to the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two demon-possessed, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one could pass that way. And suddenly they cried out, saying,
“What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
(Matthew 8:28-29)"
and you said "Yes it does." So I was just wondering why you agree with that.
"interesting question about that:
does this count as 'confessing that Christ has come in the flesh' ?
When He had come to the other side, to the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two demon-possessed, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one could pass that way. And suddenly they cried out, saying,
“What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
(Matthew 8:28-29)"
and you said "Yes it does." So I was just wondering why you agree with that.
sadly many seek the gift but few seem to have it, we have an immense amount of false prophets especially on youtube. The problem I think is first and foremost they lack biblical ground following their own wiles instead of being grounded in scripture secondly they do not know his voice and confuse their own with his.
To be honest it amazes me how some of them can be, if you rebuke or correct them you are attacked by self entitled prophets or their many followers.
The gift of prophecy is not something that you simply have by practicing enough it is given to you but if you do not know his voice and do not know the scriptures all you will do is falsely prophecy. Many true prophets when given a prophecy do not even know why they are saying what they are saying it is something that bubbles up your taken into the moment and just speak but what you speak is more than just words the spirit is filled with them.
to be honest there have been times when I have said something will happen to me not knowing why I said that and then later that exact same thing happens to me other times I will be lead to write something in my poems consumed by this uncontrolable need to type every word in my heart at immense speed just pouring out my fingers can't type fast enough and in the moment it feels solid and true but once the moment passes I wonder why I wrote what I wrote.
however I think it is also important more than understanding prophecy to understand the role of a prophet in this day and age. Most of the time they are not used to prophesy they are used to build up encourage and lead his church to God. many of the prophets of old were the same they were not used mainly to prophesy they were used to keep everyone on the straight and narrow path to point them in the right direction to encourage and strengthen people.
Nowadays though everyone who thinks himself a prophet will give a God told me or thus saith the Lord I have some some who give a prophecy daily and every time I hear what they say my spirit feels uneasy. it is also important to understand that one can have the gift of prophecy but that doesn't make one a prophet and it is also important to know that as you take on the title of a prophet you are set on a much higher standard than most because you will be held accountable for every word that you claim to be from God for God will not mocked and his words are not a toy to use as we please
To be honest it amazes me how some of them can be, if you rebuke or correct them you are attacked by self entitled prophets or their many followers.
The gift of prophecy is not something that you simply have by practicing enough it is given to you but if you do not know his voice and do not know the scriptures all you will do is falsely prophecy. Many true prophets when given a prophecy do not even know why they are saying what they are saying it is something that bubbles up your taken into the moment and just speak but what you speak is more than just words the spirit is filled with them.
to be honest there have been times when I have said something will happen to me not knowing why I said that and then later that exact same thing happens to me other times I will be lead to write something in my poems consumed by this uncontrolable need to type every word in my heart at immense speed just pouring out my fingers can't type fast enough and in the moment it feels solid and true but once the moment passes I wonder why I wrote what I wrote.
however I think it is also important more than understanding prophecy to understand the role of a prophet in this day and age. Most of the time they are not used to prophesy they are used to build up encourage and lead his church to God. many of the prophets of old were the same they were not used mainly to prophesy they were used to keep everyone on the straight and narrow path to point them in the right direction to encourage and strengthen people.
Nowadays though everyone who thinks himself a prophet will give a God told me or thus saith the Lord I have some some who give a prophecy daily and every time I hear what they say my spirit feels uneasy. it is also important to understand that one can have the gift of prophecy but that doesn't make one a prophet and it is also important to know that as you take on the title of a prophet you are set on a much higher standard than most because you will be held accountable for every word that you claim to be from God for God will not mocked and his words are not a toy to use as we please
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Just want to say 1cor 12 through 14 where Prophesying is used has nothing to do with being a prophet.
Prophesying = speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit also known as preaching which should do some very telling things
- confirm the word of God already written
- comfort
- edify
- exhort
- bring glory to God not man
3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.
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well, the demons are talking to Jesus Christ, in the flesh - and they call Him 'Son of God'
so when John says any spirit that does not confess Christ has come in the flesh is not from God, how do these demons fit that?
when they call Him 'Son of God' they also ask if He is going to 'torment' them 'before the time' -- which tells us they know there is an appointed time they will be judged. it also tells us they know He has authority to judge them, and they expect torment.
but Jesus has mercy on them, sending them into a herd of pigs, which they promptly murder by sending into the sea.
when they call Him 'Son of God' what do they mean by it? do they understand He is God Himself, having humbled Himself to be manifest in the flesh, as a servant? or do they think He is an annointed man who has been given power and authority in the Spirit?
would a demon dare attack Isaiah, for example? and Job - even Satan dared not try to touch him without going first to God for permission, saying, God's hedge is around him - an hedge that Satan himself cannot penetrate.
are they accusing Him of evil, when they ask if He is going to torment them at the wrong time?
are they serious in that question or is it mocking?
they clearly fear Him - they ask Him to have pity on them. they recognize that He can do with them however He wills.
the men they posessed were attacking everyone that came near - it says, no one could pass by that way because of them. but they grovel before Christ! no demon dared attack Him. they know immediately that they cannot possibly overcome Him - but does that mean they know who He really is or just that they know He is extremely powerful?
this is an amazing account very difficult to understand -- even more amazing and complex when we add in what John tells us about how we may test spirits
so when John says any spirit that does not confess Christ has come in the flesh is not from God, how do these demons fit that?
when they call Him 'Son of God' they also ask if He is going to 'torment' them 'before the time' -- which tells us they know there is an appointed time they will be judged. it also tells us they know He has authority to judge them, and they expect torment.
but Jesus has mercy on them, sending them into a herd of pigs, which they promptly murder by sending into the sea.
when they call Him 'Son of God' what do they mean by it? do they understand He is God Himself, having humbled Himself to be manifest in the flesh, as a servant? or do they think He is an annointed man who has been given power and authority in the Spirit?
would a demon dare attack Isaiah, for example? and Job - even Satan dared not try to touch him without going first to God for permission, saying, God's hedge is around him - an hedge that Satan himself cannot penetrate.
are they accusing Him of evil, when they ask if He is going to torment them at the wrong time?
are they serious in that question or is it mocking?
they clearly fear Him - they ask Him to have pity on them. they recognize that He can do with them however He wills.
the men they posessed were attacking everyone that came near - it says, no one could pass by that way because of them. but they grovel before Christ! no demon dared attack Him. they know immediately that they cannot possibly overcome Him - but does that mean they know who He really is or just that they know He is extremely powerful?
this is an amazing account very difficult to understand -- even more amazing and complex when we add in what John tells us about how we may test spirits
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I believe this verse also fits as well:
Matthew 15:8
“This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.”
You can't just say you believe in the Lord and be saved. People have to actually believe in the Lord, and put complete trust and faith in Him in their hearts. That's why there are so many false Christians/converts out there. They say the sinner's prayer or whatever, but in all actuality, they do not love, fully believe, have faith, and trust him in their hearts.
Simply believing that Jesus exists is different from trusting, submitting yourself to, and having faith in Jesus. IMHO
Matthew 15:8
“This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.”
You can't just say you believe in the Lord and be saved. People have to actually believe in the Lord, and put complete trust and faith in Him in their hearts. That's why there are so many false Christians/converts out there. They say the sinner's prayer or whatever, but in all actuality, they do not love, fully believe, have faith, and trust him in their hearts.
Simply believing that Jesus exists is different from trusting, submitting yourself to, and having faith in Jesus. IMHO
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Did you look up what prophesying means in 1 Corinthians 14:1? It's about foretelling events, speaking under divine inspiration, and exercising the prophetic office: that's what prophets do.
I have a feeling you should probably known that and don't need me to teach you this. Do you just want to contradict the Bible? I am honestly a bit puzzled how you reached your false conclusion.
I have a feeling you should probably known that and don't need me to teach you this. Do you just want to contradict the Bible? I am honestly a bit puzzled how you reached your false conclusion.
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Greetings, Runningman.
You make some good points I agree with, but now, on the issue of forbidding prophesy if it comes through an angel, that's not actually Biblical. Some of Daniel's prophecies came through an angel, such as mentioned in Chapter 10:
10 Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands. 11 And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling. 12 Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.”
I think if you look at the scripture the point of this is clear.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
It says if we or an angel preach any other gospel unto you. That's why it pays to know the Word of God. Anything that comes preaching anything other than the Word of God is not from God.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
It says if we or an angel preach any other gospel unto you. That's why it pays to know the Word of God. Anything that comes preaching anything other than the Word of God is not from God.
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Yes. But I do think a distinction should be made from prophecy coming through demons and prophecy potentially coming through the angels of God. There have been other times, both ancient and modern, where God used angels in similar ways. But that said, there have also been times where "angels" appeared unto men who were of God, as was the case with Muhammed.
So yes. It does indeed pay to know the word of God, and be a true servant of God, so as not to be deceived and then used by the enemy.
