About prophesying

[1ofthem]

Clearly literally anyone, even spirits that are not from God, can utter the words "Jesus Christ has come in the flesh." That isn't what it this is talking about.

Amen. That is why it is important to know, be well versed in, rightly divide, and understand the Word of God. This is pretty much what you said in your first post that some took issue with.

Not everyone that comes professing the name of the Lord is of the Lord.

There are many scriptures that support this fact...

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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You got that all wrong. You don't have any verses that say the spiritual gifts have ceased and instead rely on your own commentary and rationale to justify your position.

You seem so sure that there are no such things as spiritual gifts, but I honestly think you're blinded by unbelief.

that’s the only thing that can stop spiritual things given of God our own doubt and refusal to accept

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Not exactly.

I see how, at first glance, it appears Matthew 8:28-29 is a nod to 1 John 4:2, but it isn't. Remember, "even the demons believe and tremble." The key difference is that they don't acknowledge Jesus Christ as the savior of the world nor do they generally come proclaiming Jesus as the Messiah.

amen

“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:29‬ ‭

they recognize Jesus and fear him exceedingly they also have to obey him when he gives a command like when they beg him to command them to go into the swine they need his permission and beg and plead with him

“So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think the huge difference is they do not accept his word and morality his discernment of what is right and what is wrong they seek to set thier own bar of good and evil

Christians have a king who we adore and love and who we want to please and obey because we know his ways are good

demons are missing that part of wanting the good they re filled with the knowledge of evil and spirit of error

 

[CS1]

Did you look up what prophesying means in 1 Corinthians 14:1? It's about foretelling events, speaking under divine inspiration, and exercising the prophetic office: that's what prophets do.

I have a feeling you should probably known that and don't need me to teach you this. Do you just want to contradict the Bible? I am honestly a bit puzzled how you reached your false conclusion.

yes, I have and the context of prophesying is Proclaiming in 1cor 14 The Greek word prophēteuō means speak under inspiration. Paul is not speaking about the office of Prophet that was established in chapter 12, the context is the gifts of the Holy Spirit which are

known as the pneumatikos ina addition paul also taught on the charisma and the offices ministries of
apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastor/ teachers known as doma and the didōmi. I am sorry you are unaware of the many gifts to the church listed in 1cor chapter 12 through 14 and Eph 4.
1cor 12: 4-7
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

what are the gifts? what are they for? If read on Paul tell us doesn't he?


there answer:

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the best[fn] gifts.


The gifts of the Holy Spirit are listed for you 1. the Didomi, 2.pneumatikos 3.charisma

Before you say one is fale you might want to reread and learn Greek and the Context of the text.

 

[CS1]

Did you look up what prophesying means in 1 Corinthians 14:1? It's about foretelling events, speaking under divine inspiration, and exercising the prophetic office: that's what prophets do.

I have a feeling you should probably known that and don't need me to teach you this. Do you just want to contradict the Bible? I am honestly a bit puzzled how you reached your false conclusion.

and I am not trying to teach you

 

[presidente]

In 1 Cor. 14:1, Paul writes "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. " Encouraging all members of the church to desire the spiritual gifts, but especially the ability to prophesy.

The gift of prophesy is a spiritual gift that only God can control. He has the ability to impart spiritual gifts to people and we should desire. Prophesying is used for the purpose of God's glory and it isn't something everyone can just do. God has to enable this ability within church members.

I would suggest that those who are following after charity and genuinely desiring the spiritual gift of prophesy are more likely to receive this gift, per the simple text in 1 Cor. 14:1. I believe the kind of prayer that God wants to answer are those that are seeking after His glory. From that genuine state of heart we can request spiritual gifts.

Before I continue, I want to address a some points. Those with the gift of prophecy can receive messages from entities other than God, such as the devil, demons, and angels. This is why 1 Cor. 14:29 says " Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge." The reason for this is to root out any possible false doctrines, false gospels, or ungodly messages.

What Paul wrote in Gal. 1:8 was literal, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Paul stated point blank it's possible to receive a message from an angel. Furthermore, Paul also said that it's possible to receive messages from seducing spirits and demons in 1 Tim. 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

That is why it is best to be careful when prophesying. It is necessary to know the Bible well. The Spirit that speaks expressly in 1 Tim. 4:1 will not contradict the Bible. We cannot know what contradicts the Bible unless we know the Bible. Those who do not know the Bible can be easily deceived, led astray, confused, become a false prophet, and more.

A simple test for a prophet to confirm who they are talking to is mentioned in 1 John 4:3. "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God..." A prophet can possibly pick up on a lot of sweet words, clever ideas, things that seem right and sound good, but ultimately are crafted to shipwreck a prophet's faith or break their spirit. A simple test is to literally ask "Do you confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh?" if they deny it then you know who you're talking to.

2 Cor. 11:4 is also literal, "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." This is for the purpose of getting a foot in the door and gradually supplanting the truth with false doctrines and lies.

Above all, every Christian needs to seek after the literal guidance of God's Holy Spirit to help them understand the Bible, follow charity and desire spiritual gifts, especially prophesy.

1 Thess. 5:20 says "Despise not prophesyings." and it is as simple as that. No matter what anyone says, the Bible does not say the spiritual gifts have ceased. There is overwhelming evidence to actually continue to desire spiritual gifts and to even ask God for them directly.

In general, I agree with most of the OP, but I take issue with the idea that those with the gift of prophecy can receive messages from other spirits. Maybe Balaam could, but I do not think it is normative to think that genuine prophets get a good message one time and a false one the next. I have seen someone try to make that argument with Ahab's court prophets in the story of Micaiah. But Jehosaphat recognized those prophets were not genuine prophets of the LORD, based on his comment. Even Ahab realized they were not and that Micaiah was one genuine prophet he knew, which we can see from his comment. After Elijah slew the 400 prophets of Baal, Ahab may have replaced them with those 400 supposed prophets of the LORD who told him what he wanted to hear. He allowed a lying spirit to speak through them but Micaiah spoke a different message.

 

[Blain]

yes, I have and the context of prophesying is Proclaiming in 1cor 14 The Greek word prophēteuō means speak under inspiration. Paul is not speaking about the office of Prophet that was established in chapter 12, the context is the gifts of the Holy Spirit which are

known as the pneumatikos ina addition paul also taught on the charisma and the offices ministries of
apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastor/ teachers known as doma and the didōmi. I am sorry you are unaware of the many gifts to the church listed in 1cor chapter 12 through 14 and Eph 4.
1cor 12: 4-7
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

what are the gifts? what are they for? If read on Paul tell us doesn't he?


there answer:

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the best[fn] gifts.


The gifts of the Holy Spirit are listed for you 1. the Didomi, 2.pneumatikos 3.charisma

Before you say one is fale you might want to reread and learn Greek and the Context of the text.

 

[Blain]

and I am not trying to teach you

No but you should teach I don't give those applause gifs to just anyone

 

[CS1]

No but you should teach I don't give those applause gifs to just anyone

all glory to God for your testimony

 

[Runningman]

In general, I agree with most of the OP, but I take issue with the idea that those with the gift of prophecy can receive messages from other spirits. Maybe Balaam could, but I do not think it is normative to think that genuine prophets get a good message one time and a false one the next. I have seen someone try to make that argument with Ahab's court prophets in the story of Micaiah. But Jehosaphat recognized those prophets were not genuine prophets of the LORD, based on his comment. Even Ahab realized they were not and that Micaiah was one genuine prophet he knew, which we can see from his comment. After Elijah slew the 400 prophets of Baal, Ahab may have replaced them with those 400 supposed prophets of the LORD who told him what he wanted to hear. He allowed a lying spirit to speak through them but Micaiah spoke a different message.

Prophets testing spirits is a normal part of the gift of prophecy.

There are seducing spirits and devils about. Paul warned about them repeatedly because they are real.

1 Timothy 4:1
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1 John 4:1 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

A literal messenger of Satan followed Paul around, most likely to accuse him of every little sin he ever committed, to remind him of his failures and imperfections.

2 Corinthians 12:7
7And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

 

[Runningman]

yes, I have and the context of prophesying is Proclaiming in 1cor 14 The Greek word prophēteuō means speak under inspiration. Paul is not speaking about the office of Prophet that was established in chapter 12, the context is the gifts of the Holy Spirit which are

known as the pneumatikos ina addition paul also taught on the charisma and the offices ministries of
apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastor/ teachers known as doma and the didōmi. I am sorry you are unaware of the many gifts to the church listed in 1cor chapter 12 through 14 and Eph 4.
1cor 12: 4-7
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

what are the gifts? what are they for? If read on Paul tell us doesn't he?


there answer:

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the best[fn] gifts.


The gifts of the Holy Spirit are listed for you 1. the Didomi, 2.pneumatikos 3.charisma

Before you say one is fale you might want to reread and learn Greek and the Context of the text.

I'm not disagreeing with the Bible, I'm disagreeing with you when you said "Just want to say 1cor 12 through 14 where Prophesying is used has nothing to do with being a prophet." which is utterly false. If you are walking that back now and adjusting your stance then that's great.

 

[CS1]

I'm not disagreeing with the Bible, I'm disagreeing with you when you said "Just want to say 1cor 12 through 14 where Prophesying is used has nothing to do with being a prophet." which is utterly false. If you are walking that back now and adjusting your stance then that's great.

I am not walking back anything . 1cor chapter 12 through 14 the context prophesying is not about the office of Prophet.

Just want to say 1cor 12 through 14 where "Prophesying" is used has nothing to do with being a prophet. Maybe I should have said prophesying doesn't make you a prophet. That is the point. 1cor 12 Paul states Gifts of the Holy Spirit is what he is speaking about

Prophesying = speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit also known as preaching which should do some very telling things

1. confirm the word of God already written
2. comfort
3. edify
4. exhort
5. bring glory to God not man

Prophesying and tongues with interpretation both are forms of prophesying. as 1cor chapter 14:3-5 STATES



3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

it Don't mean a thing if you an't got the King

 

[CS1]

Prophets testing spirits is a normal part of the gift of prophecy.

There are seducing spirits and devils about. Paul warned about them repeatedly because they are real.

1 Timothy 4:1
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1 John 4:1 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

A literal messenger of Satan followed Paul around, most likely to accuse him of every little sin he ever committed, to remind him of his failures and imperfections.

2 Corinthians 12:7
7And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

please show me where Paul said anything in 1cor chapter 12 through 14 about the devil of seducing spirit after verse 2 or where Paul mentioned "seducing spirits and devils about. "

 

[CS1]

I'm not disagreeing with the Bible, I'm disagreeing with you when you said "Just want to say 1cor 12 through 14 where Prophesying is used has nothing to do with being a prophet." which is utterly false. If you are walking that back now and adjusting your stance then that's great.

show where in 1cor 12 through 14 it is about prophets with the Gift of Prophesying?

 

[Runningman]

show where in 1cor 12 through 14 it is about prophets with the Gift of Prophesying?

Look up the word prophesying in 1 Corinthians 12-14. The context is about the office of prophecy and spiritual gifts. Do you see that now?

 

[Runningman]

I am not walking back anything . 1cor chapter 12 through 14 the context prophesying is not about the office of Prophet.

Just want to say 1cor 12 through 14 where "Prophesying" is used has nothing to do with being a prophet. Maybe I should have said prophesying doesn't make you a prophet. That is the point. 1cor 12 Paul states Gifts of the Holy Spirit is what he is speaking about

Prophesying = speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit also known as preaching which should do some very telling things

1. confirm the word of God already written
2. comfort
3. edify
4. exhort
5. bring glory to God not man

Prophesying and tongues with interpretation both are forms of prophesying. as 1cor chapter 14:3-5 STATES



3 But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

it Don't mean a thing if you an't got the King

I'm not interested in your denominational interpretations. The plain text of 1 Corinthians 12-14 iincludes discussion about spiritual gifts and prophecy. If you can't see that then we don't have anything to discuss and there's no need to validate any of your false talking points with a response.

 

[JaumeJ]

Perhaps if those concerned with what prophecy is would review the subject in the Old testament, all would be enlightened.

The one particular event was when Saul was given to walk with the prophets and also prophecy.

 

[Blain]

I have a question for you all. Do you believe the gift of prophesy can be used in a negative way? See I used to always say to God that I want to see through his eyes even if it meant losing mine I said to a pastor one time I don't need these eyes to see and I suppose I prophesied my own demise because I almost went completely blind the sun hurt them I couldn't see what was right in front of me and even now through so much surgery and with so many of the eye treatments including shots in my eye ball I can only see just enough to be on here with much straining on my eyes as the white background hurts my eyes and readding is hard because of it.

So what do you all think?

 

[CS1]

I'm not interested in your denominational interpretations. The plain text of 1 Corinthians 12-14 iincludes discussion about spiritual gifts and prophecy. If you can't see that then we don't have anything to discuss and there's no need to validate any of your false talking points with a response.

I think you are wanting to be confrontational. and you don't know my denomination. Continue to make this personal. I am not false , you are just immature and I and done.

 

[CS1]

Look up the word prophesying in 1 Corinthians 12-14. The context is about the office of prophecy and spiritual gifts. Do you see that now?

you don't know what prophesying is.