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unelie · Nov 30, 2021

Hi,
In the context, clearly "in Christ" is the keyword. All that sleep in Christ will be made alive in Christ.

1Co 15:17-22 KJV
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

It would be far-fetched and contrary to other Paul teachings to think that everyone is in Christ and therefore shall be made alive, based on that text. On the contrary Paul is very clear that some people are not in Christ and therefore won't benefit from his gifts, they won't live.

Rom 8:6-14 KJV
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

This text is very clear that we have the choice between being spiritually minded, be of Christ's, be in Spirit, be led by the Spirit, and therefore obtain eternal life, or be in the flesh, be carnally minded, live after the flesh, and die.
It is a choice to make. We won't live forever if we live after the flesh 🙏

1Th 4:16, 17 KJV For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Therefore, those that are sleep in Christ are those that are risen again at that time, and they will live for ever "with the Lord", none of them will suffer eternally in hell.

unelie · Nov 30, 2021

Magenta said:

🤔 Interesting discussion, but no question here 🤔 since this is a "ask me" thread, this discussion is quite off topic 😅 but you are welcome to ask any question or start any new thread

Magenta · Nov 30, 2021

unelie said:

You are neither the OP of this ten year old thread, nor the boss of me

I am welcome to post without your permission.

PS~ there was no question in your post either, so you are off topic as well.

Will you follow your own advice, or do you only dispense it when you have no use for it yourself?

ewq1938 · Nov 30, 2021

unelie said:

I asked a question. My posts after that are part of the original answer and follow ups. So far, no biblical evidence has been given to support vegetarianism for Christians. Nothing wrong with it per se' although I can share something:

In her 50's my mother decided to be vegetarian. She ate as much protein rich foods as she could and had protein shakes. In her late 60's she began having health problems and very weird mood swings and high paranoia. Her doctors couldn't figure it out. She was losing weight, acting strange and was weak and sick. One doctor finally asked about her diet and told her to start eating some meat. Two weeks after doing that, she was as healthy and normal as she had been before starting this new diet. She eats very little meat, only fish, but even that little bit turned her health around.

SomeBloke · Nov 30, 2021

unelie said:

This is not clear at all. The keyword in this context is ALL. Jesus is the savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
God bless you.

Nehemiah6 · Nov 30, 2021

ewq1938 said:

There never was any biblical support for vegetarianism. That is primarily a strict Hindu concept. There are no dietary restrictions for Christians, other than the consumption of blood.

TMS · Nov 30, 2021

SomeBloke said:

If so... Why did God say to remember to Sabbath and keep it holy.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

unelie · Dec 1, 2021

Magenta said:

Of course you can post freely, I just tell you I think it is discourteous to go off topic.

I am no boss and I am not willing to fight with you or anything, yes I revived a thread, but the topic is quite clear "I am Adventist, ask me", so this is not hard to see what is on topic or off topic... But you can do as you which

And yes I follow my own advice, since being Adventist I'm here to answer questions

I don't think I need to be the OP to be on topic in doing so. But, hey, if you see things differently it's fine, we're brothers on Christ that is what matters.

Magenta · Dec 1, 2021

unelie said:

You are off topic again.

unelie said:

Obviously not...

unelie · Dec 1, 2021

ewq1938 said:

Sorry to hear that about your mother. Vegetarian diet may not fit to all people that have been eating meat before. she human body is not always able to reverse the clock and reprogram its metabolism back to the originally God given diet. Fortunately, most vegetarian and vegan are healthy, actually being a physician I have seen many patients being healed through this diet change.

Mem · Dec 1, 2021

ewq1938 said:

However, Sunday doesn't start until midnight so, if Jesus rose before midnight then it would be Saturday still, albeit no long the Sabbath.

And when you look at the similarly phrased language used (in the Greek) between Matthew 28:1 and Luke 23:54 \

Matthew 28:1 After the Sabbath toward the dawn of the first day of the week...
Luke 23:54 It was preparation day, as the Sabbath was about to begin...

The Greek for "dawn" is used in both cases.

Might we be erring to assume that dawn always involves a rising sun in every case?

ewq1938 · Dec 1, 2021

Mem said:

Scripture says he rose early on the 1st day. That means there is zero possibility he rose on the 7th day. Also, Sunday starts before Midnight. A new day begins when it is dark and the stars can be seen which is long before midnight.

unelie · Dec 1, 2021

SomeBloke said:

The greek word here is not clear, since it refers to a beginning. It could be dawn or not. However there are other texts that are clearer.

In Mar 16:9 KJV Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Here the word translated by "early" is actually "proi" which has a very specific meaning according to the Bible dictionaries I was able to consult :

Original: πρωΐ́
Transliteration: prōi
Phonetic: pro-ee'

Thayer Definition:
▶️ in the morning, early
▶️ the fourth watch of the night, from 3 o'clock in the morning until 6 o'clock approximately
Origin: from G4253

Part(s) of speech: Adverb

▶️ Strong's Definition: Adverb from G4253; at dawn ; by implication the day break watch: - early (in the morning), (in the) morning.

Therefore, whereas I am not a Greek scholar, it seems that the Greek clearly states that Jesus was risen in the early morning (between 3 and 6 am approx.)

SomeBloke · Dec 1, 2021

TMS said:

If so... Why did God say to remember to Sabbath and keep it holy.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2 Peter 3:8)

Aaron56 · Dec 1, 2021

I am in an automobile race.
I will begin the race with the blast of the horn and with the waving of the flag.

Does anyone think I am blasting my own horn or waving my own flag?

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

The Lord descends from heaven but He is not shouting, He does not have the voice of the archangel and He is not playing the trumpet. If one understands order of a royal procession one would easily understand that the arrival of the Lord is heralded by the court of heaven.

Amos 3:6 "If a ram’s horn sounds in a city, do the people not tremble?"

Does anyone think the king, himself, blows the ram's horn of warning in a city?

Let's find the trumpet, shall we?

"And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and they were given seven trumpets."

So these are 7 angels who stand before God. Seems like a fairly important job. And here we read that they carry trumpets.

Furthermore, Michael, as an archangel, has angels under his charge. "Arch-" tells us there are ranks of angels. The same is true for the demons. This is a 5th-grade English lesson.

Be wary of any group that promotes a saint, special day, or even uses "Christ" as a point distinction.

"I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction. My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: Individuals among you are saying, “I follow Paul,” “I follow Apollos,” “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided?"

The only biblically permitted distinction among the churches is location.

peldom10 · Dec 1, 2021

gotime said:

Hi, as I said I am a Seventh Day Adventist. The only reason this question answer post is here is because I have seen many people throw things at my Faith without really knowing what we believe.

So I will be answering any Bible questions you have if I can. Repeat BIBLE questions. Everything I believe and that my Church teaches is firmly based in Scripture and no where else.

Now I have a lot on my plate so please be patient with me. This post is not designed to argue but rather help those who wish to better understand our position. You do not have to agree with me in any way. I will however be using the bible to answer any questions. so if you need to discuss anything with me about a topic that you think I am wrong in then feel free. but use your Bible. I will not pay any heed to those who come in here and rant on their soap box without scripture to back them up.

In other words, lets be Christian about this. I have no need nor want to put others down. and will not respond to put downs and unchristian behaviour.

One other thing. I am a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor, and one thing I have learnt is that most Professed Seventh Day Adventists do not know what we actually believe. Why do I say this? Because While you may have read things about us and done some study. chances are, you don't understand half as much about our teaching as you think you do.

I do not pretend to know everything about how other faiths believe even though I used to be a pentecostal. I am not ignorant enough to think that I know them because I once was one. so please afford me the same respect.

That being said, May God bless us all as we draw closer to Him in truth and in Spirit.

Why do you choose a denomination.........none are biblical?

Mem · Dec 1, 2021

ewq1938 said:

The mix of Hebrew and Roman nomenclature confuses my point that the Hebrew Seventh day overlaps the Roman Saturday... but yes, what I meant, there is zero possibility He rose on the 7th day but a small possibility He rose on the Roman day designated as Saturday...the portion not designated as the Hebrew 1st day.

Jackson123 · Dec 1, 2021

I believe sabbath OT is for Israel not for NT christian

12:26 PM Wednesday, in Washington, DC is
12:26 AM Thursday, in Jakarta, Indonesia

Sabbath in Washington DC my Sunday for Jakarta indonesia

SomeBloke · Dec 1, 2021

Jackson123 said:

“The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27–28)

SomeBloke · Dec 1, 2021

Jackson123 said:

Matthew 22:37-40
“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Which of these two commandments does keeping the Sabbath fall under?

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