A golden key to understand the book of Revelations
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To begin with, the great tribulation begins when Michael, who is currently holding Satan, the son of perdition, at bay (2 Thess. 7), rises and casts that son of perdition, along with his angels, out of heaven and into this world (Rev. 12:7-9). Then there will be a period of spiritual affliction, extreme hardship, unlike anything that has ever occurred in the history of the nation:
"At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. - Daniel 12:1 (NKJV)
In Matthew 24, Jesus Christ sat’s it nearly word for word:
"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. - Matthew 24:21 (NKJV)
It's critical that you understand that there are two tribulations. The first tribulation is the appearance of the false messiah (antichrist) to deceive the world:
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. - Revelation 12:7-10 (NKJV)
This is when Satan is physically cast out and appears in his role as the antichrist.
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Now look here…. The scripture below describes the second tribulation (Note: It says after that tribulation).
"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; "the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. "And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. - Mark 13:24-27 (NKJV)
The four winds are associated with the time of the end, which is the second tribulation, God`s wrath, and this is when the battle of Armageddon and Hamon-gog take place.
Those battles will not last 15 minutes, because we don`t fight them; they are fought for us by God.
So there you have it, the two tribulations.
"At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. - Daniel 12:1 (NKJV)
In Matthew 24, Jesus Christ sat’s it nearly word for word:
"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. - Matthew 24:21 (NKJV)
It's critical that you understand that there are two tribulations. The first tribulation is the appearance of the false messiah (antichrist) to deceive the world:
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. - Revelation 12:7-10 (NKJV)
This is when Satan is physically cast out and appears in his role as the antichrist.
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Now look here…. The scripture below describes the second tribulation (Note: It says after that tribulation).
"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; "the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. "And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. - Mark 13:24-27 (NKJV)
The four winds are associated with the time of the end, which is the second tribulation, God`s wrath, and this is when the battle of Armageddon and Hamon-gog take place.
Those battles will not last 15 minutes, because we don`t fight them; they are fought for us by God.
So there you have it, the two tribulations.
Most people totally ignore the "golden key" to understanding Revelation which is given at the beginning of the book and repeated at the ending of the book for emphasis.
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to shew unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John; who bare witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, even of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." (Rev 1:1-3, ERV)
"And he said unto me, These words are faithful and true: and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly come to pass...And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand." (Rev 22:6, 10, ERV)
Maybe someone can explain why those emphatic statements don't mean what they state, but I've never seen them explained away as to turn the bulk of Revelation into our future.
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to shew unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John; who bare witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, even of all things that he saw. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." (Rev 1:1-3, ERV)
"And he said unto me, These words are faithful and true: and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly come to pass...And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand." (Rev 22:6, 10, ERV)
Maybe someone can explain why those emphatic statements don't mean what they state, but I've never seen them explained away as to turn the bulk of Revelation into our future.
First, to understand Revelations we must know scripture well enough we know what the symbols it uses means. We must understand the roles of different angels, we must understand when it speaks of a lamb or when it speaks of fire.
Next it is very important that we accept that not once in all the prophecy of scripture that has come about has it been described in such a way that it is not surprising, the way it actually happened. Scholars have often pretended to know certainly, and every single time the scholars were mistaken. When scholars thought the Messiah would physically rule, their error was serious.
Next, we need to always keep in mind the purpose God had in giving John these things, the theme of the book. That theme is that God will rule, that even though we must live through trials that we can have absolute faith in the Lord to see us through.
Next it is very important that we accept that not once in all the prophecy of scripture that has come about has it been described in such a way that it is not surprising, the way it actually happened. Scholars have often pretended to know certainly, and every single time the scholars were mistaken. When scholars thought the Messiah would physically rule, their error was serious.
Next, we need to always keep in mind the purpose God had in giving John these things, the theme of the book. That theme is that God will rule, that even though we must live through trials that we can have absolute faith in the Lord to see us through.
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lol - i am as fallible as they come Brother
When God chose me i believe HE had this in mind ...........
"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence."
When God chose me i believe HE had this in mind ...........
"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence."
Nope, never cursed you or anything like that and you should know my love for you by now as i have greatly appreciated your posts.
What i am reminding everyone is only what God has said we all must follow.
Deuteronomy 4:1-2
“Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you.
You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
What i am reminding everyone is only what God has said we all must follow.
Deuteronomy 4:1-2
“Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers is giving you.
You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Revelation 22:18-19
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Because God is not subject to time as we are. Even the OT Prophets were always expecting the Messiah to be just around the corner - the next male child that opens the womb could be HE.
Thousands of Years go by before the 'fulness of time' came for the Father to give His Son.
The 'time is at hand' is for every generation until all things are fulfilled.
This is the KEY to Revelation
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, because
“All flesh is as grass,
And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,
But the word of the Lord endures forever.”
Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.
Thousands of Years go by before the 'fulness of time' came for the Father to give His Son.
The 'time is at hand' is for every generation until all things are fulfilled.
This is the KEY to Revelation
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, because
“All flesh is as grass,
And all the glory of man as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,
But the word of the Lord endures forever.”
Now this is the word which by the gospel was preached to you.
And Jesus told us ALL TIME on earth is Tribulation, and thus the 2000 year Church Age Tribulation is GREATER as in 2000>7 and thus no matter how many tines anyone explains this unto you you will not receive it because you sir are stiff-necked.
Those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 are CLEARLY SHOWN to not be able to come out of the 70th-week tribulation, and then be shown in Heaven before the Seals are even broken........WHY? Because the scriptures stimulates this VERY CLEARLY.
Jesus says to those Martys seen at the 5th Seal that they MUST WAIT on all of their brothers do die in like manner as they did, thus they will NOT be seen in Heaven any time soon, they will only.....ONLY....be raised up after ALL of their brothers have been killed during the 70th week in like manner as they have: TRANSLATION, all of those who die during the 70th week can't thus be seen in Heaven because they MUST WAIT until the Beasts 42 months of murder and mayhem is over before they can get vengeance. But you will DODGE the scriptures and just pretend they don't exist because of course, you aren't interested in FACTS. Sadly.
Secondly, we see EXACTLY WHEN all of those Martyrs are raised via Rev. 20:4 and that is AFTER Jesus Returns on a White Horse WITH the Church/Bride and defeats the Beast and all his minions. Thus they CAN NOT be seen in Rev. 7:9-17, but of course, you will dodge these two facts and insist there was no Great Tribulation Church Age, even though Jesus clearly says there was, a d he clearly shows no one seen in Heaven in Rev, 7:9-17 can be of the 70th-week Martyrs.
You can't debate against the truth, which is why you must dodge it.
Those seen in Rev. 7:9-17 are CLEARLY SHOWN to not be able to come out of the 70th-week tribulation, and then be shown in Heaven before the Seals are even broken........WHY? Because the scriptures stimulates this VERY CLEARLY.
Jesus says to those Martys seen at the 5th Seal that they MUST WAIT on all of their brothers do die in like manner as they did, thus they will NOT be seen in Heaven any time soon, they will only.....ONLY....be raised up after ALL of their brothers have been killed during the 70th week in like manner as they have: TRANSLATION, all of those who die during the 70th week can't thus be seen in Heaven because they MUST WAIT until the Beasts 42 months of murder and mayhem is over before they can get vengeance. But you will DODGE the scriptures and just pretend they don't exist because of course, you aren't interested in FACTS. Sadly.
Secondly, we see EXACTLY WHEN all of those Martyrs are raised via Rev. 20:4 and that is AFTER Jesus Returns on a White Horse WITH the Church/Bride and defeats the Beast and all his minions. Thus they CAN NOT be seen in Rev. 7:9-17, but of course, you will dodge these two facts and insist there was no Great Tribulation Church Age, even though Jesus clearly says there was, a d he clearly shows no one seen in Heaven in Rev, 7:9-17 can be of the 70th-week Martyrs.
You can't debate against the truth, which is why you must dodge it.
Well that's not the whole truth you stated:
There are no raptured Saints in Heaven as the Resurrection does not occur until the Second Coming chapters 19-20.
The Saints in Heaven are all who have died in Christ - 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Nobody goes to Heaven until they die and ONLY if they are in CHRIST - Period
With His Return = His Second Coming = HE brings the Saints you see in Revelation with Him for the Resurrection.
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren(Rondonmon), concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
1 Thess 4:13-18
There are no raptured Saints in Heaven as the Resurrection does not occur until the Second Coming chapters 19-20.
The Saints in Heaven are all who have died in Christ - 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Nobody goes to Heaven until they die and ONLY if they are in CHRIST - Period
With His Return = His Second Coming = HE brings the Saints you see in Revelation with Him for the Resurrection.
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren(Rondonmon), concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
1 Thess 4:13-18
The golden key is to understand that the book of Revelation is to be read on different levels and perspectives. It is almost all based on writings found in what we call the Old Testament and what John and the Apostles saw as their Scriptures. Without knowing or for some caring about the contents of those scriptures it is very difficult to understand Revelation properly. It was meant to be for every generation that has or will exist up until Christs second coming. To believe that we
in the 21st century are the only people it was meant for is a serious error.
in the 21st century are the only people it was meant for is a serious error.
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It is EASY to prove the Remnant here is the Gentile Church. Of course, those not understanding the timing of the Rapture will just run and hide or dodge these facts.
Rev. 12:16 And the earth helped the woman(Israel), and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood(Anti-Christ Armies) which the dragon(Satan) cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon(Satan) was wroth with the woman(Jews who REPENT/All Israel who Repent), and went to make war with the remnant(Church which remains on earth) of her seed(Jesus is THAT SEED read Gal. 3:16), which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
So, who is this REMNANT? Is it the Jews? No, it CAN NOT be the Jews in any way shape fashion, or form, and I can prove it very easily. The Woman (Jew who REPENT) whom the Dragon Satan is chasing, can not be the Remnant because Satan gets ANGRY that God is protecting them and that he can't get at them (the Earth swallows the flood means God uses the Earth to protect Israel just like He did when the game out of Egypt via the Wall of Fire and the Sea) so Satan TURNS and goes after The REMNANT of her (Israel) SEED (Jesus is THAT SEED as Gal. 3:16 says) AND, AND, AND they have the Testimony of Jesus AND keep the Commandments of God !!
So, we see this "Remnant" can not be the Jews who REPENT in Zechariah 13:8-9, whom God PROTECTS in the Wilderness/Petra Mountains because Satan gets very angry that he can not get at her. We then see that the "Remnant" CAN NOT be the 2/3 of the Jews who REFUSE to repent because of course (EUREKA) they will not have the TESTIMONY of Jesus nor will they thus keep the COMMANDMENTS of God so that only leaves the one group which the "Remnant" can be, the Gentile Remnant Church who is on earth while THE CHURCH is in Heaven.
BOOM
Rev. 12:16 And the earth helped the woman(Israel), and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood(Anti-Christ Armies) which the dragon(Satan) cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon(Satan) was wroth with the woman(Jews who REPENT/All Israel who Repent), and went to make war with the remnant(Church which remains on earth) of her seed(Jesus is THAT SEED read Gal. 3:16), which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
So, who is this REMNANT? Is it the Jews? No, it CAN NOT be the Jews in any way shape fashion, or form, and I can prove it very easily. The Woman (Jew who REPENT) whom the Dragon Satan is chasing, can not be the Remnant because Satan gets ANGRY that God is protecting them and that he can't get at them (the Earth swallows the flood means God uses the Earth to protect Israel just like He did when the game out of Egypt via the Wall of Fire and the Sea) so Satan TURNS and goes after The REMNANT of her (Israel) SEED (Jesus is THAT SEED as Gal. 3:16 says) AND, AND, AND they have the Testimony of Jesus AND keep the Commandments of God !!
So, we see this "Remnant" can not be the Jews who REPENT in Zechariah 13:8-9, whom God PROTECTS in the Wilderness/Petra Mountains because Satan gets very angry that he can not get at her. We then see that the "Remnant" CAN NOT be the 2/3 of the Jews who REFUSE to repent because of course (EUREKA) they will not have the TESTIMONY of Jesus nor will they thus keep the COMMANDMENTS of God so that only leaves the one group which the "Remnant" can be, the Gentile Remnant Church who is on earth while THE CHURCH is in Heaven.
BOOM
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AGREE
i have said before that to understand Revelation you must first know and understand Genesis and all the Scripture that followed that brought us to Christ and then the Apostles.
But this is only the beginning for without the Holy Spirit no one will understand.
You diligently search the Scriptures because you think to have eternal life in them, and these are they bearing witness concerning Me;
If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
i have said before that to understand Revelation you must first know and understand Genesis and all the Scripture that followed that brought us to Christ and then the Apostles.
But this is only the beginning for without the Holy Spirit no one will understand.
You diligently search the Scriptures because you think to have eternal life in them, and these are they bearing witness concerning Me;
If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
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You remain thoroughly confused about things. The Resurrection/Rapture in ONE SINGLE EVENT the Tribulation. The resurrection of the Tribulation saints is the last phase of the first resurrection.
PHASE I -- the resurrection of Christ (the First Fruits)
PHASE II -- the resurrection all the saints who have passed on (OT and NT) at the Rapture (the harvest)
PHASE III -- the resurrection of the Tribulation saints who were beheaded by the Antichrist (the gleanings)
PHASE I -- the resurrection of Christ (the First Fruits)
PHASE II -- the resurrection all the saints who have passed on (OT and NT) at the Rapture (the harvest)
PHASE III -- the resurrection of the Tribulation saints who were beheaded by the Antichrist (the gleanings)
The Remnant is Jew and Gentile in CHRIST - there is only a Remnant from both the Jews and the Gentiles who will ever become the Body of Christ.
After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the Lord who does all these things.’
BOOM BOTTA BING BOTTA BOOM
After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the Lord who does all these things.’
BOOM BOTTA BING BOTTA BOOM
There is only One Phase - His Second Coming and the Resurrection
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. Therefore He says:
“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. Therefore He says:
“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.