If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?
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God will send strong delusion on all nonelects because nonelects want independent of God and don't want to follow what God says.
Nonelects will worship Satan as the 2nd Coming of fake Jesus/any religions as their God by his great miracles. Satan's 2nd attempt of tower of babel. God's elects won't be deceived.
https://repent5610.blogspot.com/2012/12/there-is-no-secret-rapture.html
So no matter how much truth you give to nonelects, they will twist it and fit it to what they want.
God will reveal everything to God's elects to understand. All they need to do is pray.
Find out if you are God's elect or nonelect by going to the link and reading it.
Freedom from sin=True gospel=After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons and Christian music words that gives messages. I found out that in them there is lying, stealing, adultery (Matthew 5:28 looking at someone with lust is adultery), fornication which is sex before marriage, revenge, murder, jealousy, pride=self-pity, hypocrisy, using God’s name in vain as a curse word, they are all idols (breaks 2nd Commandment) because most people can’t live without them and they love them more than God and more. Just read the 10 commandments for a list.
https://christianchat.com/testimoni...s-except-christian-stuff.199651/#post-4583333
2 Thessalonians 2 just changes subjects from the antichrist being destroyed into people being under a delusion for no reason?
people are in the delusion today for a reason.
Yes they are but you were wrong when you claimed the man of sin being destroyed at the second coming was satan being destroyed at the second coming. That's pure confusion. Satan is not destroyed until a thousand years after the second coming.
the seed of satan ...son of perdition. yeah, i got that mixed up. doesn't make what i'm saying now ...wrong.
the son of perdition was destroyed at The Coming ...not The Return.
I want to show you respect for admitting being wrong. That is a very admiral thing to do. The rest will work itself out another way.
Yep, all talking about service not salvation. Isaac was elected for the seed not Esau. Those in Christ were chosen to receive spiritual blessings in the heavenly places. I totally disagree with Calvin's RCC view.
What are you talking about Brother???
WE, you and i, need to believe what we are told by God.
2 Thess 2 is about the Second Coming of Christ
v1 - Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
Now, pittsburghjoe, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him
Do you believe this?
Well you have to read and believe to SEE
Election is for Salvation = John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God
Election is for Salvation = John 6:44
No one is able to come to Me unless the Father, the one having sent Me, draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day.
Election is for Salvation = Galatians 3:6-9 So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
Election is for Salvation = Ephesians 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.
Election is for Salvation = 1 Peter 1:2
elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Election is for Salvation = Romans ch9-ch11
And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Election is for Salvation = Galatians 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of Promise.
You do not know?
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Eph 4
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:10-13
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:26-29
Let's look at this again and consider it might be talking about something that already happened:
2 Thessalonians 2
2Th 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
//The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST.
2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
//"at hand" means then.
2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
//seed of satan with The HOLY SPIRIT stepping back to allow it
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
//70 A.D. The Temple was destroyed.
135 A.D. fall of the whole City, with a false temple with idol built over The Jewish Temple (to jupiter)
equestrian statue of hadrian was installed over the Holy of Holies.
2Th 2:5
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
//Why do we think this is talking to us? It sure sounds like he is warning them about an event in their generation.
2Th 2:6
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
// JESUS destroyed the son of perdition with The LIGHT of His Coming, not The Return.
2Th 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
//People are under a delusion today ...not after His Return.
2 Thessalonians 2
2Th 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
//The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST.
2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
//"at hand" means then.
2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
//seed of satan with The HOLY SPIRIT stepping back to allow it
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
//70 A.D. The Temple was destroyed.
135 A.D. fall of the whole City, with a false temple with idol built over The Jewish Temple (to jupiter)
equestrian statue of hadrian was installed over the Holy of Holies.
2Th 2:5
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
//Why do we think this is talking to us? It sure sounds like he is warning them about an event in their generation.
2Th 2:6
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
// JESUS destroyed the son of perdition with The LIGHT of His Coming, not The Return.
2Th 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
//People are under a delusion today ...not after His Return.
2 Thessalonians is the Second Letter written by Paul to the Thessalonican Believers in Christ.
Read 1 Thess today (easy short read) and we shall break bread of Life together in Him - amen
i perfectly understand all of 2 Thess ch2 and especially 2 Thess 2:8
First read 1 Thess and then i will share - PEACE
Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:48-51
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
1000 year=start of the end times is when Jesus gave Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost.
How can the Promises of Infinite Rule be Eternal if we expect them to occur in a finite timeframe before the New Earth?
Isn't the end goal for GOD'S Presence to be with us Ruling for Infinity?
You really think GOD is going to mess around with a 1000 year period where there are those that don't have GOD'S Presence and can be deceived by satan when he is loosed?
Isn't the end goal for GOD'S Presence to be with us Ruling for Infinity?
You really think GOD is going to mess around with a 1000 year period where there are those that don't have GOD'S Presence and can be deceived by satan when he is loosed?