How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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You are in clear sin and ignorance of who the Holy Spirit is and how HE Authored the Scripture.
For this reason I will not be negligent to remind you always of these things, though you know and are established in the present truth. 13Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this [f]tent, to stir you up by reminding you, 14knowing that shortly I must [g]put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. 15Moreover I will be careful to ensure that you always have a reminder of these things after my [h]decease.
16For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private [j]interpretation, 21for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Cease from valuing your ignorance above the Scripture = the word of God.
You are not an Apostle, you have no authority to speak against Scripture.
For this reason I will not be negligent to remind you always of these things, though you know and are established in the present truth. 13Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this [f]tent, to stir you up by reminding you, 14knowing that shortly I must [g]put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. 15Moreover I will be careful to ensure that you always have a reminder of these things after my [h]decease.
16For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private [j]interpretation, 21for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Cease from valuing your ignorance above the Scripture = the word of God.
You are not an Apostle, you have no authority to speak against Scripture.
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This is a 'pre-trib' move in attempting is to erase/evade the clear distinction of the Resurrection occuring BEFORE the rapture/gathering.
They hate the clear Scripture of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and do all they can to misintepret it and change the Order to fit in pre-trib error.
They want to believe that the Resurrection and rapture are simultaneous. If they establish this error then they build on that error to twist the other related scriptures.
This is how the spirit of error works. Start off with just one misleading 'speaking' of altered scripture, then build on that false foundation with other scripture in a 'square block into a round hole' fitment.
i have seen this move continually on here, even to the point of them reversing the clear Order of 1 Thess 4:13-18.
They hate the clear Scripture of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and do all they can to misintepret it and change the Order to fit in pre-trib error.
They want to believe that the Resurrection and rapture are simultaneous. If they establish this error then they build on that error to twist the other related scriptures.
This is how the spirit of error works. Start off with just one misleading 'speaking' of altered scripture, then build on that false foundation with other scripture in a 'square block into a round hole' fitment.
i have seen this move continually on here, even to the point of them reversing the clear Order of 1 Thess 4:13-18.
Well that's something since the Scripture is all i am adhering to without 'adding to and taking away' from God's words.
The other thing is that it is now 3 full months and no one has been able to bring forth even one verse that states:
"Christ will pre-trib rapture His Elect"
or
"Christ will make multiple trips to secretly rapture 'worthy Saints' BEFORE the Resurrection"
or
"Christ has established two separate Gospels - one for the Jew and one for the Gentile"
Too much bling from the pre-trib thing
because there ain't no such thing
Nope - it dosen't ring true
Never did and it's not for you
God has set the Order in Place
We all must finish our Race
The other thing is that it is now 3 full months and no one has been able to bring forth even one verse that states:
"Christ will pre-trib rapture His Elect"
or
"Christ will make multiple trips to secretly rapture 'worthy Saints' BEFORE the Resurrection"
or
"Christ has established two separate Gospels - one for the Jew and one for the Gentile"
Too much bling from the pre-trib thing
because there ain't no such thing
Nope - it dosen't ring true
Never did and it's not for you
God has set the Order in Place
We all must finish our Race
I agree it's not a reference to the rapture BUT it is speaking of both ways to immortality, resurrection and the living being changed.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Clearly both are being addressed as happening in twinkling of an eye which simply means very quickly. The dead in Christ rise first into immortality, living are changed in that order.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
It seems at first Paul is saying thing twice but I don't think he is.
"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption"
G5349
φθαρτός
phthartos
fthar-tos'
From G5351; decayed, that is, (by implication) perishable: - corruptible.
Total KJV occurrences: 6
This can be decayed (past tense) or perishable as in capable of decaying. I think Paul is using it as decayed as in something already dead.
In verse 52 he speaks of dead first, then the living so he is doing the very same here:
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible (decayed) shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal (living mortal human) shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Comparing language in both verses:
"the dead shall be raised incorruptible" = "this corruptible (decayed) shall have put on incorruption"
"we (the living) shall be changed" = "this mortal (living mortal human) shall have put on immortality"
So, in a twinkling of an eye shall dead be resurrected. And just after that also in a twinkling of an eye shall the living mortals be changed into immortals.
Amen?
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Made a few edits:
I agree it's not a reference to the rapture BUT it is speaking of both ways to immortality, resurrection and the living being changed.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Clearly both are being addressed as happening in the twinkling of an eye which simply means very quickly. The dead in Christ rise first into immortality, and then the living are changed into immortals, in that order.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
It seems at first Paul is saying the same thing twice but I don't think he is.
"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption"
G5349
f?a?t?´?
phthartos
fthar-tos'
From G5351; decayed, that is, (by implication) perishable: - corruptible.
Total KJV occurrences: 6
This can mean "decayed" (past tense) or "perishable" as in capable of decaying. I think Paul is using it as "decayed" as in something already dead based on his earlier mention of the dead.
In verse 52 he speaks of the dead first, then the living, and he is doing the very same here:
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible (decayed) shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal (living mortal human) shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Comparing language in both verses:
"the dead shall be raised incorruptible" = "this corruptible (decayed) shall have put on incorruption"
"we (the living) shall be changed" = "this mortal (living mortal human) shall have put on immortality"
So, in a twinkling of an eye shall the dead be resurrected into immortal bodies. And just after that, also in a twinkling of an eye, shall the living mortals be changed into immortals.
I agree it's not a reference to the rapture BUT it is speaking of both ways to immortality, resurrection and the living being changed.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Clearly both are being addressed as happening in the twinkling of an eye which simply means very quickly. The dead in Christ rise first into immortality, and then the living are changed into immortals, in that order.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
It seems at first Paul is saying the same thing twice but I don't think he is.
"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption"
G5349
f?a?t?´?
phthartos
fthar-tos'
From G5351; decayed, that is, (by implication) perishable: - corruptible.
Total KJV occurrences: 6
This can mean "decayed" (past tense) or "perishable" as in capable of decaying. I think Paul is using it as "decayed" as in something already dead based on his earlier mention of the dead.
In verse 52 he speaks of the dead first, then the living, and he is doing the very same here:
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible (decayed) shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal (living mortal human) shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Comparing language in both verses:
"the dead shall be raised incorruptible" = "this corruptible (decayed) shall have put on incorruption"
"we (the living) shall be changed" = "this mortal (living mortal human) shall have put on immortality"
So, in a twinkling of an eye shall the dead be resurrected into immortal bodies. And just after that, also in a twinkling of an eye, shall the living mortals be changed into immortals.
Now, you know I am not 'pre-trib'.
I made that statement because I believe "the dead shall be raised incorruptable" (1 Corinthians 15:52) indicates a change from 'dead' to 'glorified' in a single action.
I do not doubt the possibility of the Resurrection occurring in a very short time - similar to "the change" on those alive directly after the Resurrection. However, I do not see it that scripture indicates it explicitly.
I am only saying that the phrase "in the twinkling of an eye" - in the same verse - in the context of the passage - actually only applies to "the change" on the "alive and remain" group.
I have no problem with the idea that each of the two groups has their own "the change" moment - albeit separately - at 'twinkle' timing - before being raptured together.
In any case, the whole thing will not take that long - so...
The point is - scripture only specifically indicates the 'twinkling' timing to be associated with "the change" and not the Resurrection or the Rapture - either or both of which may actually take longer.
A lot of people misread it and think the Rapture to occur "in the twinkling of an eye"; however, that is not what it actually says.
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(*) - And, that was a full wink - it was more than just a 'twinkle'...
I made that statement because I believe "the dead shall be raised incorruptable" (1 Corinthians 15:52) indicates a change from 'dead' to 'glorified' in a single action.
I do not doubt the possibility of the Resurrection occurring in a very short time - similar to "the change" on those alive directly after the Resurrection. However, I do not see it that scripture indicates it explicitly.
I am only saying that the phrase "in the twinkling of an eye" - in the same verse - in the context of the passage - actually only applies to "the change" on the "alive and remain" group.
I have no problem with the idea that each of the two groups has their own "the change" moment - albeit separately - at 'twinkle' timing - before being raptured together.
In any case, the whole thing will not take that long - so...
The point is - scripture only specifically indicates the 'twinkling' timing to be associated with "the change" and not the Resurrection or the Rapture - either or both of which may actually take longer.
A lot of people misread it and think the Rapture to occur "in the twinkling of an eye"; however, that is not what it actually says.
<-- *(*) - And, that was a full wink - it was more than just a 'twinkle'...
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