Backsliding

[peldom10]

And also why would a person deny this gift unless they have rejected It In their heart which would be the unforgivable sin and when a person gets like that there Is no longer ANY conviction from the HOLY SPIRIT.


sidenote:There Is a difference In rejecting from the heart and rejecting In words.A person rejecting from the heart wouldn’t care.

While a good point I believe a further comment is needed.......

If you are suggesting that a person...oh...at the age of 12 does not respond to the Holy Spirit visiting him and urging him to repent...that that is a unforgivable sin while on this earth ...not so......it is until that person turns and repents.

If we reject The Holy Spirit for our life time then we have committed the unforgivable sin and upon judgement we will be condemned.

 

[peldom10]

Righteousness is established by God Himself. Our sense of Righteousness does not depend upon ourselves, but of God. It is He who causes us to Work. Our Faith is Effectual.

Ephesians 3:7 KJV - "Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power."

Our Hearts are Circumcised of the Curse of the Lord . . . SO THAT . . . we will Love and Obey Him.

Deuteronomy 30:6 NIV - "The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live."

Agreed...until one goes astray. The grace of God providing forgiveness through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is not forced upon a person. We voluntary accept God's gift or we don't. When we accept it, it will be with us until we go astray.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

While a good point I believe a further comment is needed.......

If you are suggesting that a person...oh...at the age of 12 does not respond to the Holy Spirit visiting him and urging him to repent...that that is a unforgivable sin while on this earth ...not so......it is until that person turns and repents.

If we reject The Holy Spirit for our life time then we have committed the unforgivable sin and upon judgement we will be condemned.

Question: Do you think that young Saul, later to be named Paul, could have rejected God after having experienced the Raw, Almighty Power of God while on the Damascus Road? That, once having felt that incredible Power, and having been taken to the Third Heaven . . . does it seem reasonable that Paul would, or could, reject the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Having felt the Raw, Almighty Power of God myself, I dare say that it is utterly impossible. I will die for the simple name of Jesus, for I know that He chose me; having Enabled me to Work for Him for the entirety of my life. I have been Purchased and I no longer belong to myself.

1 Corinthians 6:19 NKJV - "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit [who is] in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?"

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Agreed...until one goes astray. The grace of God providing forgiveness through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is not forced upon a person. We voluntary accept God's gift or we don't. When we accept it, it will be with us until we go astray.

Unfortunately, the below passage does not allow for your teaching . . . unless the below scripture (from God) is wrong:

Romans 8:9 NLT - "But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)"

 

[Vindicator]

But, I've said these things a million times and I'm just a broken record. I'm tired; very tired.

Well no offense to you either, but you quoted me and you were the one who initiated this conversation, not the other way around. It's a problem now because I don't find your arguments convincing?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Well no offense to you either, but you quoted me and you were the one who initiated this conversation, not the other way around. It's a problem now because I don't find your arguments convincing?

Ah, ok. Have a good one.

 

[Vindicator]

Ah, ok. Have a good one.

You as well. God bless.

 

[riverhooks]

Incorruptible speaks of one of the 5 crowns we may be awarded upon judgement by God. We must keep the reference in perspective.
We may receive 5 crowns at judgement including a incorruptible crown. That crown cannot be corrupted.

While on this earth we must maintain or we can be corrupted regardless.
New age religion advocates says that if we backslide we were never repented....hogwash. A person can be righteous and return to sinning because of loss of direction of their righteous commitment. It happens everyday and many return to righteousness and some don't.

Righteous. Christ our Righteousness. God is Holy Separate from Sinners. Righteousness is that attribute of God which upholds His Law and requires it's just demands be met. I may be preaching to the choir but Jesus is my substitute. God sees me as fufilling all of His law in a non-transgressing fashion because the righteousness of God has been satisfied in that Jesus death the penalty of transgression of the law satisfys Him. He is therefore Just and the justifier of the one who believes in Jesus. Jesus lived a perfect christian life in our behalf and reconciled us to the law first by satisfying sins penalty ( death or separation from God) . There is no access to God except through the blood offered to God . God looks at black through red and sees white. Being righteous on our end has more to do with our acceptance with God by grace through faith. All of our righteounesses are as filthy rages . If Christ doesn't do it through us that is The Lords assessment of our righteous character, filthy rags. Any good from us is from Him. Ever remember before you were saved that you really didn't love anyone enough to pray for them . But when you got the revelation that your loved ones needed Jesus just as you did but weren't hearing it ? If we abide in Him and continue in His Word we are His diciples indeed and though we walk around the world backwards on our knees and quote all 66 books of the Bible backwards and forwards in less than two minutes, all of our righteounesses are but filthy rags . God is Holy , and is fully involved in our lives to bring us to maturity in Christ and to present us spotless in His presence. Being kept by the power of God until the day of salvation. Righteousness on our part would be in pursuit of God and those things which pertain to abiding in Him and living for His purposes .

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

You as well. God bless.

I likely owe you an apology, as I really shouldn't be posting. I'm actively studying for a difficult exam while I write/post. Honestly, I hardly recall the body and content of a thread that I'm interacting with. This likely leads to my posting "in circles."

 

[peldom10]

Question: Do you think that young Saul, later to be named Paul, could have rejected God after having experienced the Raw, Almighty Power of God while on the Damascus Road? That, once having felt that incredible Power, and having been taken to the Third Heaven . . . does it seem reasonable that Paul would, or could, reject the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Having felt the Raw, Almighty Power of God myself, I dare say that it is utterly impossible. I will die for the simple name of Jesus, for I know that He chose me; having Enabled me to Work for Him for the entirety of my life. I have been Purchased and I no longer belong to myself.

1 Corinthians 6:19 NKJV - "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit [who is] in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?"

I also.
However many things happen in some folks lives which cause them to loose their perspective and just slide into self destruction mode.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Incorruptible speaks of one of the 5 crowns we may be awarded upon judgement by God. We must keep the reference in perspective.
We may receive 5 crowns at judgement including a incorruptible crown.

1 Peter 1:23
King James Version

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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Where does this scripture say that the Incorruptible seed Is talking about 5 crowns?

 

[peldom10]

Unfortunately, the below passage does not allow for your teaching . . . unless the below scripture (from God) is wrong:

Romans 8:9 NLT - "But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)"

Can you recall anyone in scriptures that lost their bearing, temporarily and then regained their perspective of commitment to God?

May I suggest you start with consideration of Adam and Eve.

 

[peldom10]

1 Peter 1:23
King James Version

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
+++
Where does this scripture say that the Incorruptible seed Is talking about 5 crowns?

That's not the scripture I speak of.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I also.
However many things happen in some folks lives which cause them to loose their perspective and just slide into self destruction mode.

I've scoured the Bible . . . can you think of someone called Righteous yet fell totally astray? I don't know of anyone Righteous, Holy, and Pure who fell astray. Elijah? John the Baptist? Abraham? Moses? Joshua? Caleb? David? Paul?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Can you recall anyone in scriptures that lost their bearing, temporarily and then regained their perspective of commitment to God?

May I suggest you start with consideration of Adam and Eve.

LOL - Adam and Eve had no Indwelling Spirit to guide them. And this was their problem . . . they did not have either the Sinful Nature nor the Divine Nature. They were left with their Human Nature exclusively. The definition of the Human Nature? Servant. The Human Nature serves whatever it is told to do. Hence, Eve followed the advice of the serpent and Adam followed the advice of Eve . . . though they had both been told to NOT eat or even tough the TOKOGAE lest they die.

A study of "Nature" I always recommend.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

That's not the scripture I speak of.

You are suppose to respond to what I posted not make what I posted fit what You are talking about.😂
I said Incorruptible SEED not Incorruptible crown.

 

[Vindicator]

I likely owe you an apology, as I really shouldn't be posting. I'm actively studying for a difficult exam while I write/post. Honestly, I hardly recall the body and content of a thread that I'm interacting with. This likely leads to my posting "in circles."

I understand. The conversation made me curious, so I looked you up and started watching your teaching video. I've gotten to some things in it that I disagree with and don't think you substantiate very well, but maybe we can go through it whenever we have a chance to talk under better conditions.

Take care, and thank you for the kind message. I appreciate it, and God bless.
- V

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

You are suppose to respond to what I posted not make what I posted fit what You are talking about.😂
I said Incorruptible SEED not Incorruptible crown.

Seeds and crowns are the same things? haha

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I understand. The conversation made me curious, so I looked you up and started watching your teaching video. I've gotten to some things in it that I disagree with and don't think you substantiate very well, but maybe we can go through it whenever we have a chance to talk under better conditions.

Take care, and thank you for the kind message. I appreciate it, and God bless.
- V

I'm not entirely surprised that you have that opinion of the video. Since then I've changed my views. I need to take those videos down.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Seeds and crowns are the same things? haha

INCORRUPTIBLE SEED not SEEDS.