If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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IF you had read the scripture, which I know for sure you have NOT, you would know that the modern nation, Jordan, is one of the main nations that help, feed, and give Israel safety in refuge while under the assault of the anti-christ!
Talmudic Judaism is antiChrist
 
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1 Corinthians 15:22-26
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

//It doesn't say "Then after a thousand years".
 
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Zech 14:16 Then every one that survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of booths. 17 And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain upon them
 
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Zech 14:16 Then every one that survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of booths. 17 And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain upon them
Sounds like something for the Infinite Afterlife.
 

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Zech 14:16 Then every one that survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of booths. 17 And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain upon them
Yes, this is during the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. Christ sits on His throne in Jerusalem and all nations will send representatives of there nations to honor the Lord. If they do not come they will receive no rain. The scripture also says this is the punishment of Egypt, they will not come and they will receive no rain.

The feast of the Booths/feast of Tabernacles is reinstated during the reign of Christ. Animals will be sacrificed as was done in the Law of Moses. All nations will send the reps to this feast or no rain.

The whole world will have to go through the Jews to sacrifice.

Of course the scripture does not say that representatives will come from all nations, but all the theologians I have read behind have said it is not feasible for all the individual families all over the world to come. They suggest the representatives. I don't know?
 
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Sheep/ Goat Judgement is for the nations vs 32. Nations always refer to gentiles in the scriptures. First thing one ought to notice is the sheep are not saved by grace but by works. This is because they have entered the kingdom age of 1000 years when grace by faith in Jesus no longer applies. For everyone will know the Lord.

Sheep and goats are all unrighteous and survivors of the tribulation in the flesh. Even the sheep had no idea what made them righteous. For the sheep were saved only by works.
 
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Wow, i'm impressed. So not only is JESUS not LORD (according to you), but His Ultimate Sacrifice suddenly doesn't matter anymore for this magical 1000 years.
 

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Sheep/ Goat Judgement is for the nations vs 32. Nations always refer to gentiles in the scriptures. First thing one ought to notice is the sheep are not saved by grace but by works. This is because they have entered the kingdom age of 1000 years when grace by faith in Jesus no longer applies. For everyone will know the Lord.

Sheep and goats are all unrighteous and survivors of the tribulation in the flesh. Even the sheep had no idea what made them righteous. For the sheep were saved only by works.
Those are some excellent points, Omegatime!!! I have to agree with you on this.
 

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Wow, i'm impressed. So not only is JESUS not LORD (according to you), but His Ultimate Sacrifice suddenly doesn't matter anymore for this magical 1000 years.
Sometimes you have to sit on the porch and listen, PJ! That would help you tremendously!
 
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Mark 13:14 “But when you see the desolating sacrilege set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 15 let him who is on the housetop not go down, nor enter his house, to take anything away; 16 and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. 17 And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! 18 Pray that it may not happen in winter. 19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will be.

When the jews are fleeing for their lives from the antichrist those who have helped the jews with drink, food, clothing, ect, ect. are the righteous sheep. Jesus is representing the jews who fled from the antichrist
 
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Mark 13:14 “But when you see the desolating sacrilege set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 15 let him who is on the housetop not go down, nor enter his house, to take anything away; 16 and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. 17 And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! 18 Pray that it may not happen in winter. 19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will be.

When the jews are fleeing for their lives from the antichrist those who have helped the jews with drink, food, clothing, ect, ect. are the righteous sheep. Jesus is representing the jews who fled from the antichrist
That already happened.

Why do we assume Apostles were asking JESUS about His second coming in the Olivet Discourse when they didn't even know He was going anywhere at that point (Matt 24:3, Mark 13:4, Luke 21:7)? When Matt says "coming" did he mean when JESUS would Rule?
 

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Sheep/ Goat Judgement is for the nations vs 32. Nations always refer to gentiles in the scriptures. First thing one ought to notice is the sheep are not saved by grace but by works. This is because they have entered the kingdom age of 1000 years when grace by faith in Jesus no longer applies. For everyone will know the Lord.

Sheep and goats are all unrighteous and survivors of the tribulation in the flesh. Even the sheep had no idea what made them righteous. For the sheep were saved only by works.
Mark 13:14 “But when you see the desolating sacrilege set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 15 let him who is on the housetop not go down, nor enter his house, to take anything away; 16 and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. 17 And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! 18 Pray that it may not happen in winter. 19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will be.

When the jews are fleeing for their lives from the antichrist those who have helped the jews with drink, food, clothing, ect, ect. are the righteous sheep. Jesus is representing the jews who fled from the antichrist
Correct! The Jews failed at the first advent of Christ by denying Him. But now that He has come and destroyed the anti-christ, they all know who He is and finally accept Him, that's where Paul said, "all Israel shall be saved. They are now believers.

Now the prophecy of God that He did not repent (change His mind) on the calling of Israel to be the light of the world to point to Christ is fulfilled. The Jews have the world now under the reign of Christ to proclaim His salvation. They will not fail this time!

It's just a big 360 in time. Salvation first offered to the Jews but rejected, God turned to the Gentiles who did believe, and then uses the Gentiles to bring in Israel. Mission accomplished by God in spite of dealing with stubborn, rebellious man.
 
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Correct! The Jews failed at the first advent of Christ by denying Him. But now that He has come and destroyed the anti-christ, they all know who He is and finally accept Him, that's where Paul said, "all Israel shall be saved. They are now believers.

Now the prophecy of God that He did not repent (change His mind) on the calling of Israel to be the light of the world to point to Christ is fulfilled. The Jews have the world now under the reign of Christ to proclaim His salvation. They will not fail this time!

It's just a big 360 in time. Salvation first offered to the Jews but rejected, God turned to the Gentiles who did believe, and then uses the Gentiles to bring in Israel. Mission accomplished by God in spite of dealing with stubborn, rebellious man.
Who counts as a Jew? Who counts as Israel?
 
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Israel

In the whole land, says the Lord,
two thirds shall be cut off and perish,
and one third shall be left alive.
9 And I will put this third into the fire,
and refine them as one refines silver,
and test them as gold is tested.
They will call on my name,
and I will answer them.
I will say, ‘They are my people’;
and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”

This 1/3 (Israel) the survivors of the tribulation
will enter the kingdom in the flesh

There is no resurrection at end of the tribulation
 
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Mark 13:14 “But when you see the desolating sacrilege set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 15 let him who is on the housetop not go down, nor enter his house, to take anything away; 16 and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. 17 And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! 18 Pray that it may not happen in winter. 19 For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will be.

When the jews are fleeing for their lives from the antichrist those who have helped the jews with drink, food, clothing, ect, ect. are the righteous sheep. Jesus is representing the jews who fled from the antichrist

No one considers that the full 69th week is used when calculating Daniel's 70 weeks. The MESSIAH was cut off in the middle of the 70th week.
 

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Israel

In the whole land, says the Lord,
two thirds shall be cut off and perish,
and one third shall be left alive.
9 And I will put this third into the fire,
and refine them as one refines silver,
and test them as gold is tested.
They will call on my name,
and I will answer them.
I will say, ‘They are my people’;
and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”

This 1/3 (Israel) the survivors of the tribulation
will enter the kingdom in the flesh
That's exactly what the scripture teaches! And for 1000 years the Gentiles will fulfill the scripture of Zechariah.

Zech. 8:23

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. "

If you don't like the Jews, I would suggest a change of heart! They will reign supreme in the world under the rule of Christ!
 
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Did Jesus assign you that task, to determine who is a Jew and who is Israel?

Or do you think that He will decide that?
You didn't answer the question.

Who counts as a Jew? Who counts as Israel?
 

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The gospel is the the good news that Jesus preached "... Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God" (Mark 1:14). This is the gospel of Jesus. All over the bible, from the promise to Abraham in Genesis to the second coming of Jesus in Revelation, the Lord reveals that his kingdom will be on earth. This message is supposed to be good news to us, especially considering the condition of the world. We should be glad to know that God is going to straighten out the trouble and confusion that's presently in the world. Jesus even told us to pray for the fulfillment of his gospel, "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven" (Matthew 6:10). Jesus also warned us to repent (turn from our sins) and be prepared for the coming of his kingdom. If we truly believe the gospel, then we will obey God's commandments. "...The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9).

However, Jesus said the… Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. (Matthew 5:5). Jesus promised us we would dwell with him on the earth. That's right, Jesus is returning to establish the kingdom of God. If we have faith and obey him, we will rule with him on the earth, "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests; and we shall reign on the earth" (Revelation 5:10).