How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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You just touched on something.
Jesus said "pray that you be may be counted Worthy to escape the things about to come upon the Earth and stand before the son of God."
He would not have said that if there were not, like you say, a "conditioning".
The rapture is the groom Gathering the worthy bride. The worthy bride is taken .
it is not the Rapture of the entire church . nor is it a raising of the entire church that is dead and in the grave. Only those dead in Christ, and note that it says" in Christ, " that means they are in Christ, walking in Christ. they're not Pew sitters they're not nominal Christians, the dead in Christ are raised at the rapture.
Likewise those that are alive in Christ , not the foolish virgins, not the Pew sitters , not the 50/50 believers that have a ho-hum walk. The Rapture is the Gathering of the Bride. Only the bride is taken in the rapture. the other believers that are left behind face the Antichrist and most of them are beheaded because they refused the mark.
The rapture is not at the end of the Trib . that disrupts everything about it . Let's face it , there's no groom that's a warrior coming for his Warrior bride, and then with no wedding chamber , going into a battle. There's is no such thing.
Jesus said "pray that you be may be counted Worthy to escape the things about to come upon the Earth and stand before the son of God."
He would not have said that if there were not, like you say, a "conditioning".
The rapture is the groom Gathering the worthy bride. The worthy bride is taken .
it is not the Rapture of the entire church . nor is it a raising of the entire church that is dead and in the grave. Only those dead in Christ, and note that it says" in Christ, " that means they are in Christ, walking in Christ. they're not Pew sitters they're not nominal Christians, the dead in Christ are raised at the rapture.
Likewise those that are alive in Christ , not the foolish virgins, not the Pew sitters , not the 50/50 believers that have a ho-hum walk. The Rapture is the Gathering of the Bride. Only the bride is taken in the rapture. the other believers that are left behind face the Antichrist and most of them are beheaded because they refused the mark.
The rapture is not at the end of the Trib . that disrupts everything about it . Let's face it , there's no groom that's a warrior coming for his Warrior bride, and then with no wedding chamber , going into a battle. There's is no such thing.
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#1 - never spoken by the LORD, the Prophets the Apostles
#2 - twists Scripture to stay relevant = 2 Thess 2:1-3
#3 - commits the vile sin of devaluing the Blood of Christ and the Gospel with establishing the lie of 'tribulation saints' are somehow unworthy of a false pre-trib rapture that cannot be found in scripture
#4 - commits another fragrant lie = His Saints are 'Left Behind' by the Lord
#5 - separates Jew from Gentile in the Body of Christ
#6 - produces a diluted perverse gospel that prevents the effective preparation(Noah) of mens hearts for what is coming
Revelation 14 shows the symbolic Bride of Christ = 144k who have not been rapture as Revelation chapters 1 - 13 declare.
Revelation 14:12-13 Says:
Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
Revelation 14:12-13 Says:
Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
I hate to say this but that is just plain stupid.
To ascribe sin to anyone that disagrees with you it's just plain laughable. Oh the irony of you getting it backwards , and actually promoting it as if it is true, while defying clear verses in the Bible, then frame us bereans that take in stuff you omit as sinners and ignorant.
All rapture verses are peacetime and life as normal setting.
That formula you declared is absent in every rapture verse.
The Bible says "all take the mark" DURING THE TRIB.
The Bible says the antichrist overcomes the church .
The Bible says power was given to the Antichrist to overcome the church during the tribulation .
Furthermore, the innumerable number in heaven ,which are taken from Earth , DURING THE TRIB, that have died,are so many, and in the billions, that they can't even be counted, adds to the fact that there is no church on Earth to rapture post-trib.
To ascribe sin to anyone that disagrees with you it's just plain laughable. Oh the irony of you getting it backwards , and actually promoting it as if it is true, while defying clear verses in the Bible, then frame us bereans that take in stuff you omit as sinners and ignorant.
All rapture verses are peacetime and life as normal setting.
That formula you declared is absent in every rapture verse.
The Bible says "all take the mark" DURING THE TRIB.
The Bible says the antichrist overcomes the church .
The Bible says power was given to the Antichrist to overcome the church during the tribulation .
Furthermore, the innumerable number in heaven ,which are taken from Earth , DURING THE TRIB, that have died,are so many, and in the billions, that they can't even be counted, adds to the fact that there is no church on Earth to rapture post-trib.
Your sin is violating the Eternal Commandment - Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19
Following God requires we believe His words (Noah, Daniel, Job) and fear Him so that the Tempter has no place in our hearts to twist, deny or add to God's words.
Idolatry requires a twist here and a twist there to establish itself in men's hearts = the Babylonian Way.
The Scripture does not belong to us - it is OFF LIMITS to our correction and interpretation.
For we did not follow cleverly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” And we ourselves heard this voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
We also have the word of the prophets as confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation.
For no such prophecy was ever brought forth by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Following God requires we believe His words (Noah, Daniel, Job) and fear Him so that the Tempter has no place in our hearts to twist, deny or add to God's words.
Idolatry requires a twist here and a twist there to establish itself in men's hearts = the Babylonian Way.
The Scripture does not belong to us - it is OFF LIMITS to our correction and interpretation.
For we did not follow cleverly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” And we ourselves heard this voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
We also have the word of the prophets as confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation.
For no such prophecy was ever brought forth by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Did you never read?
Heb. 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
WHO is He going to appear to in His second coming? ONLY to those who are looking for Him, EXPECTING Him.
I wonder, are YOU expecting Him tonight? If He came tonight, would His coming catch you by surprise?
He is correct: There is MUCH of the church around the world - people who call themselves "Christian" who have never been "born again." They are not qualified for the rapture for they are not "In Christ." This is not a "twist," it is TRUTH. I am amazed you don't recognize it as truth.
Heb. 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
WHO is He going to appear to in His second coming? ONLY to those who are looking for Him, EXPECTING Him.
I wonder, are YOU expecting Him tonight? If He came tonight, would His coming catch you by surprise?
He is correct: There is MUCH of the church around the world - people who call themselves "Christian" who have never been "born again." They are not qualified for the rapture for they are not "In Christ." This is not a "twist," it is TRUTH. I am amazed you don't recognize it as truth.
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What is ironic is that it is YOU doing the twisting! One day you will discover that GOD is pretrib.
The Scripture does not belong to us - it is OFF LIMITS to our correction and interpretation.
MORE irony! You are "interpreting" the Matthew 24 gathering to be the same as Paul's gathering, when it cannot according to scripture be so. We all agree it is a gathering and it comes after the tribulation of those days. But it is not Paul's gathering. Only a beginning student of the word would insist, upon finding the same word in two different books of the bible, insist they are speaking of the same thing.
Is Matthew 24 the only verse you base a posttrib doctrine on? Is it all you have?
I notice that you avoid answering questions. I can only guess that you have no answers. However, I am forever hopefull.
HOW are you going to get to heaven to be in the marriage and supper?
HOW is Jesus to find sheep (people in natural bodies) for His judgment of the nations?
The Scripture does not belong to us - it is OFF LIMITS to our correction and interpretation.
MORE irony! You are "interpreting" the Matthew 24 gathering to be the same as Paul's gathering, when it cannot according to scripture be so. We all agree it is a gathering and it comes after the tribulation of those days. But it is not Paul's gathering. Only a beginning student of the word would insist, upon finding the same word in two different books of the bible, insist they are speaking of the same thing.
Is Matthew 24 the only verse you base a posttrib doctrine on? Is it all you have?
I notice that you avoid answering questions. I can only guess that you have no answers. However, I am forever hopefull.
HOW are you going to get to heaven to be in the marriage and supper?
HOW is Jesus to find sheep (people in natural bodies) for His judgment of the nations?
More beginner stuff! Did you not READ? The 144,000 are descendants of JACOB: JEWS and from all the tribes. No wonder we seldom agree.
For the last 2000 years and up to the rapture, God has had believers in Christ as His witnesses. But at the pretrib rapture, which will happen just before the 6th seal in Rev. 6, suddenly His witnesses will be raptured to heaven. It is then NO MISTAKE in scripture that in Rev. 7 God seals 144,000 of Israel as His witnesses. No, it does not say that. But it did not need to be said. They are the firstfruits of Israel. They will be His witnesses up until the midpoint of the week when they too will be caught up to heaven. No, it does not say that either, but the next time John saw them, they were in heaven. HOW did they get there? John and God leaves that up to us to figure out.
AT the midpoint of the week, (actually 3.5 days before) the Two Witnesses show up, and they will be His Witnesses for the last half of the 70th week.
I wonder if you know when the Old Testament saints are caught up?
For the last 2000 years and up to the rapture, God has had believers in Christ as His witnesses. But at the pretrib rapture, which will happen just before the 6th seal in Rev. 6, suddenly His witnesses will be raptured to heaven. It is then NO MISTAKE in scripture that in Rev. 7 God seals 144,000 of Israel as His witnesses. No, it does not say that. But it did not need to be said. They are the firstfruits of Israel. They will be His witnesses up until the midpoint of the week when they too will be caught up to heaven. No, it does not say that either, but the next time John saw them, they were in heaven. HOW did they get there? John and God leaves that up to us to figure out.
AT the midpoint of the week, (actually 3.5 days before) the Two Witnesses show up, and they will be His Witnesses for the last half of the 70th week.
I wonder if you know when the Old Testament saints are caught up?
I finally understand: you don't know the difference between good exegesis and "twist." For the 2 Thes. 2 passage:
Can you explain to us why Paul wrote, "and now you know...? I wonder, do YOU know?
Can you explain why Paul wrote in 3b IS revealed?
Can you describe the parallelism in this passage?
I wonder: can you explain this passage to those of us who "twist" it? Who knows? Perhaps we can learn. What is Paul really teaching?
As for being "left behind:" We did not write 1 Thes. Paul did. We did not write Hebrews: Paul did.
I did not separate Jew from Gentile: Paul did.
Just so you know, WE KNOW what is coming: Jesus is coming for His bride. Those who EXPECT Him will see Him.
Can you explain to us why Paul wrote, "and now you know...? I wonder, do YOU know?
Can you explain why Paul wrote in 3b IS revealed?
Can you describe the parallelism in this passage?
I wonder: can you explain this passage to those of us who "twist" it? Who knows? Perhaps we can learn. What is Paul really teaching?
As for being "left behind:" We did not write 1 Thes. Paul did. We did not write Hebrews: Paul did.
I did not separate Jew from Gentile: Paul did.
Just so you know, WE KNOW what is coming: Jesus is coming for His bride. Those who EXPECT Him will see Him.
You are absolutely amazing: now you have the Old Testament saints "born again!" According to you then, Jesus did not have to die. WOW! Where do you find this in scripture?
Did you not read Paul?
1 Cor. 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
The SIN problem HAD to be dealt with. God is just as much a God of justice as He is a God of love. The justice side of God DEMANDED that SIN be paid for. Always remember, the wages of sin is death. Without the shedding of blood, sin cannot be remitted. The blood of innocent animals could NEVER remove or remit sin. It had to be RIGHTEOUS book of a human male that could remove sin and the guilt of sin. That did not happen under the Old Covenant. Their sins were only COVERED for a time, and the guilt of their sin always remained.
Finally the time came when the ultimate sacrifice was ready, Jesus as the second person of the Godhead was willing. That was settled in the garden as He sweated drops of blood. Once It started, God the Father vented His anger against sin towards the scapegoat: His only begotten Son! He had to DIE for the wages of sin is death. He had to be whipped for by His stripes we are healed. He had to raise from the dead, or it would all have been in vain.
NONE of this happened until after Malachi wrote His prophecy. The wages of sin was not paid any time before Jesus paid it. NO human under the Old Testament could possibly be born again. That experience came at a GREAT Price: God had to sacrifice HIS ONLY SON.
Did you not read Paul?
1 Cor. 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
The SIN problem HAD to be dealt with. God is just as much a God of justice as He is a God of love. The justice side of God DEMANDED that SIN be paid for. Always remember, the wages of sin is death. Without the shedding of blood, sin cannot be remitted. The blood of innocent animals could NEVER remove or remit sin. It had to be RIGHTEOUS book of a human male that could remove sin and the guilt of sin. That did not happen under the Old Covenant. Their sins were only COVERED for a time, and the guilt of their sin always remained.
Finally the time came when the ultimate sacrifice was ready, Jesus as the second person of the Godhead was willing. That was settled in the garden as He sweated drops of blood. Once It started, God the Father vented His anger against sin towards the scapegoat: His only begotten Son! He had to DIE for the wages of sin is death. He had to be whipped for by His stripes we are healed. He had to raise from the dead, or it would all have been in vain.
NONE of this happened until after Malachi wrote His prophecy. The wages of sin was not paid any time before Jesus paid it. NO human under the Old Testament could possibly be born again. That experience came at a GREAT Price: God had to sacrifice HIS ONLY SON.