Daniel Chapter two

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JLG

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Nebuchadnezzar has a dream and he wants the priests and the magicians and all those who have such a capacity to tell about his dream and the interpretation. Otherwide all of them will die. It is as simple as that ! They can’t trick the king ! So they answer the king saying that no one has such a capacity. So the king becomes angry and orders all the wise men of his kingdom to be killed. It means that Daniel and his companions are going to be killed. Learning that, daniel asks the king for time so he can interpret the king’s dream. Then he asks his three companions to pray God to get the dream and the interpretation. Finally Daniel goes to the king and tells him that God told him the dream and its interpretation. So Daniel becomes an important man in Babylon.
So everything seems to be ok for Daniel and his companions and they escape death !
 

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God wants to show the Babylonian king who is is compared to the babylonian gods and he will do the same with the gods of other countries which invaded Israel because of his permission and to chastise the Jews who didn't respect their contract with God!
 
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One item I picked out of Daniel 2 was about the kingdom of God being established during the time of the 10 kings. Far different understanding than most preach.

44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people
 

JLG

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Ok so what do you understand? Could you develop?
 
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Dan 2 is about 4 gentile kingdoms who will rule over jerusalem.

The first is Babylon (you oh king are the head of Gold)

the second is the kingdom of media and persia,

the third is greece

the forth, like iron will crush the previous three kingdoms. And is the kingdom who wa sin power when Christ was killed

This beast will reform into a ten kingdom nation. And will be defeated by Christ himself.
 

JLG

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Looking at history helps us to understand. We have this adventage!
 
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Yes. Some say our generation are seeing things people only dreamed about Seeing.
 
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Ok so what do you understand? Could you develop?
Quite complicated but the bottom line is I see things that no else sees. so beware. I see the resurrection during the time of the 10 kings before he conquers 3 of them and so that means it happens near or after mid tribulation. This fits with Rev. 11:15.

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”

I also see the day of the resurrection/rapture to be at the time of the 1335th day of the tribulation.

Dan 12:12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
 

JLG

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Positively or negatively? only dreamed about? Think about 2 Timothy 3:1-5:

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God ; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof : from such turn away.
 
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Notice the 7th Trumpet or the Last Trump/Trumpet in Rev.11:15 There are 1185 days left of the Tribulation after the 1335th day. This is the time of the bowl judgements during these last 1185 days. The tribulation is a full 7 years or 2520 days. This also is how the Lord shortened the days.


Matthew 24:22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
 
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There are no righteous people left on the earth after the 1335th day of the tribulation-- None. and this great and glorious day is called the Day of the Lord
 

Rondonmon

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Quite complicated but the bottom line is I see things that no else sees. so beware. I see the resurrection during the time of the 10 kings before he conquers 3 of them and so that means it happens near or after mid tribulation. This fits with Rev. 11:15.

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
It's OK to see things others can't as long as you are correct, like Daniel, etc. other Prophets, etc., etc. I understand because the Holy Spirit has shown me what the 1260, 1290, and 1335 are and literally no one sees it, but it is FACTUAL, and so what they see or don't see is not really relevant. Your understandings of these numbers are not factual brother, but no one else's is either, so I am not picking on you.

The Rapture is Pre Trib, but by Resurrection, I am guessing you mean of the Anti-Christ via the rest of the context, correct me if I have erred on this. The Mortal Wound is simply a wound to the 7 Headed Figurative Beast, not a real Man, it was Rome who received the Wound because the Beast went away for nigh 2000 years. Why? Because the bible is about Israel, with no Israel, they can not have a "BEAST" over them !! God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones. Secondly, the Church could not be overcome by the gates of hell, thus the Church delivered the Mortal Wound to the Figurative Beast, God placed Apollyon(Scarlet Colored Beast in Rev. 17) into the Bottomless Pit, he will only be let out when the Beast is revived. Thus the Mortal Wond is only healed when Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region is once again subjugated or "Dominated" by a Gentile Kingdom from Europe or "the 10 who arise" which just means the Complete Empire that went away (Rome) reconstituted. The 10 meaning completion can thus be 26 or 27 Nations, plus the Nations they Conquer. SEE BELOW, Rome on a Map then..........

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Followed by the Current European Union AND the Mediterranean Sea REgion Nations they CURRENTLY have 7 Year Agreements with via the European Neighborhood Policy (SEE Wikipedia). Once the E.U. Conquers these Nations as Daniel 11:40-43 shows us, this will be the Beasts Empire at the End Time SEE BELOW:

The European Union on a Map with the added nations it Conquers in Daniel 11:40-43 is the SAME MAP as above:

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The E.U. (10 who are 26 or more Nations) freely give their power to this ONE MAN who will then Conquer Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region and then the Mortal Wound is HEALED in then what once was a Nation (Rome) that ruled over every square inch of the Mediterranean Coastline, will once again rule over every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline, thus the Empire is REBORN under ONE MAN, the Little Horn or Anti-Christ.

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”

I also see the day of the resurrection/rapture to be at the time of the 1335th day of the tribulation.

Dan 12:12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
The above is the Second Coming that happens on the day Jesus returns, not the 1335 which happens 1335 days before the Second Coming, the 1335 is when the Two-witnesses show up, the 1290 is the false Prophet stopping Jesus Worship by the Jews who repent when the Two-witnesses show up, just before the Day of te Lord (1260), he also places the AoD as Rev. 13 shows us, he makes an IMAGE of the Beast and places it in the Temple of God. Thus the Jews who REPENTED are told by Jesus (Matt. 24:15-17) to Flee Judea, thus they have 30 days to do so because the 1290 happens 30 days before the Anti-Christ goes forth conquering at the 1260 (middle of the week)

1335 happens 1335 days before the Second Coming, it is the Two-witnesses showing up BEFORE the DOTL, Malachi 4:5-6 says so and Zechariah 13:8-9 JUXTAPOSED against Zechariah 14:1 (DOTL/Jerusalem is sacked) proves this also.

1290 happens 1290 days before the Second Coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS, it is the False Prophet STOPPING Jesus Worship in the temple of God AFTER the Jews have repented. He also places the AoD, then the Jews Flee Judea.

The 1260 happens 1260 days before the Second Coming, thus the Beast rules as THE BEAST for only 1260 days, he goes forth conquering as God's Wrath falls onto mankind, he uses the chaos as a diversion.

The above is exactly what the 1335, 1290, and 1260 means. Nothing else will fit, PERIOD.

The Jews are indeed resurrected at the very end unless they are a part of the Bride of Christ. The Father has a Bride, as does the Son. In Rev. 14 we see the 144.000 (All Jews who repent or 3-5 million Jews) have the Father's name on their forehead. But in verse 14 we see Jesus Harvests the Church in a FLASHBACK to the Pre-trib Rapture. We are the Barley Harvest, the Jews are the Wheat, thus they have to be crushed before they can be sifted, Barley doesn't need to be crushed. The Grape Harvest is the Wicked as seen in verses 17-20.
 

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Notice the 7th Trumpet or the Last Trump/Trumpet in Rev.11:15 There are 1185 days left of the Tribulation after the 1335th day. This is the time of the bowl judgements during these last 1185 days. The tribulation is a full 7 years or 2520 days. This also is how the Lord shortened the days.


Matthew 24:22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
The Trumps of Wrath has ZERO to do with the Last Trump. Research the Feat of Trumps, yu will see tey sent out two witnesses to tell them what day the New Moon fell on, thus the new year would start, and the Harvest (Church Age) would end. Thus when they saw the New Moon, they blew the Trump 99 times in 9 sets of 11, then the LAST TRUMP was blown LONGER & LOUDER than the other 99 and the Hsrvest (THINK Church Age Harvest) would officially be ended. Thus you confuse Judgment Trumps with Feast Trumps. Jess fulfilled the Spring Feasts via his Passover Blood covers our sins. Via he was without sin (Unleavened Bread) and he was the First-fruits of the grave.

We are now in the Summer Harvest of souls for Jesus, that will end at the LAST TRUMP, just like the Jews Feasts says, the 7 Feasts were Holy Convocations (Dress Rehearsals), and thus after the Trumpet Feats are fulfilled which ends the Church Age and announces that the Feasts of Atonement and Tabernacles are nigh, we will see the other two Feasts fulfilled also.

Who needs to ATONE? Israel !! Thus the Jews REPENT as seen in Zechariah 13:8-9 just before the DOTL as seen in Zechariah 14:1 (the very next verse). And then they flee to Petra where God protects them for 1260 days. Thus the Feast of Atonement is then FULFILLED just like the other 5 were all fulfilled.

Lastly comes the Feast of Tabernacle, the word tabernacle means to DWELL with God, and thus Jesus setting up His Kingdom in Jerusalem will fulfill that Feast also !!

CONTEXT MATTERS !! You do not have the RIGHT Trump as per your understanding, you are speaking about a Judgment Trump, God and Paul are speaking about a Trump that ends The Harvest (Church Age).

Those days are indeed cut short, the Anti-Chrst will only be allowed to rule for 1260 days, Jesus STOPS his rule by his Second Coming. God doesn't change His plans by cutting His prophecy short, His Prophecy is that Jesus kills this tyrant, that is what is meant, not by CUTTING HIS RULE SHORT of the 1260 days, but by fulfilling the Prophecy that Jesus will show up exactly on day 1260 to kill this thug. Thus Jesus cuts his rule short, ELSE he would have NATURALLY ruled longer, without Jesus' return.
 
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The beast out of the sea is the kingdom of the antichrist which happens after the 1260th day when he takes his seat in the temple of God. The map of the old roman empire is the kingdom of the future antichrist empire, the beast out of the sea--Mediterranean sea. As far as pre-tribulation I do not believe in it. We disagree on most of your comments but thanks for sharing
 

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The beast out of the sea is the kingdom of the antichrist which happens after the 1260th day when he takes his seat in the temple of God. The map of the old roman empire is the kingdom of the future antichrist empire, the beast out of the sea--Mediterranean sea. As far as pre-tribulation I do not believe in it. We disagree on most of your comments but thanks for sharing
It doesn't matter what you believe or don't believe in God's word is fast and true, Hes not going to worry about what you believe in. Of course, you just dodge the Trump part because it makes you look really bad that you can't see what it really means. Of course, as God (Holy Spirit is God) told me, "You guys already know it all" and thus I understood via my prayer why there are so many lame interpretations off the bible, God convicted me 5 or 6 years ago, so after 30 plus years, I got with the program and stopped believing things passed down by men, and started simply asking God to SHOW ME. And surprise He did on everything. Until one understands they really don't know anything, they can't be taught by God. God chose the SIMPLE Disciples or unlearned men over the learned Pharisees for a reason.

Your belief isn't going to stop the Pre Trib Rapture.
 

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Maybe God just wanted the Israelites to know that he could use anyone to convey what he wanted to express, even if that person believed in other gods,
For example, the Koran.
 

JLG

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Dan 2 is about 4 gentile kingdoms who will rule over jerusalem.

The first is Babylon (you oh king are the head of Gold)

the second is the kingdom of media and persia,

the third is greece

the forth, like iron will crush the previous three kingdoms. And is the kingdom who wa sin power when Christ was killed

This beast will reform into a ten kingdom nation. And will be defeated by Christ himself.
Ten kingdom nation? I don't understand! You have a succession of nations or world powers and after that you get God's kingdom?
 

JLG

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Quite complicated but the bottom line is I see things that no else sees. so beware. I see the resurrection during the time of the 10 kings before he conquers 3 of them and so that means it happens near or after mid tribulation. This fits with Rev. 11:15.

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”

I also see the day of the resurrection/rapture to be at the time of the 1335th day of the tribulation.

Dan 12:12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
So what about 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4:

« But of the times and the seasons, brethen, ye have no need that I write unto you. »
« For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. »
« For when they shall say, Peace and safety ; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child ; and they shall not escape. »
« But ye, brethen, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. »
 

JLG

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The European Union? But it has no army! It isn't a world power! What about England in the past with the biggest empire of all history and coming from it America: The USA are today's military world power? it has military bases all around the world!