Gods Standard of Righteousness

[gb9]

His way are not your ways and His thoughts are not your thoughts.

His Word is His Word.


you do not have a special version of it.

 

[peachyking]

His Word is His Word.


you do not have a special version of it.

How would you know one way or the other?
Oh here is a word for you...humble

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa, because the law of sin and death does not condemn you to death, you are set free from that death, is no reason for you to scold the Lord for telling you what would condemn you to death.

The Lord created you, you belong to the Lord the Lord does not belong to you. Listen to the Lord, don't tell Him what to do.

What are you talking about?

 

[justbyfaith]

We are not under the law, are dead to the law, and are delivered from the law, as concerning condemnation (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19, Galatians 5:18); not obedience (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21)

Disagreeing with holy scripture, @Grandpa?

I think that you should at least look up the scriptures that I have referenced before you decide to disagree with them.

Because if you did look them up, you are disagreeing, not with me; but with the scriptures that I have referenced.

 

[peachyking]

This is the law of sin and death (Romans 7:14-25):

Rom 7:14, For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15, For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16, If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17, Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19, For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20, Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21, I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22, For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23, But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24, O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25, I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Rom 8:1, There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2, For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

This is what is borne out by the context.

The ten commandments are written on the heart and mind of the New Covenant believer.

Heb 8:8, For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15, Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

What is the (commandment that you have to obey) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus?
Post it word for word for us.

 

[justbyfaith]

This is the law of sin and death (Romans 7:14-25):

Rom 7:14, For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15, For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16, If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17, Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19, For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20, Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21, I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22, For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23, But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24, O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25, I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Rom 8:1, There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2, For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

This is what is borne out by the context.

The ten commandments are written on the heart and mind of the New Covenant believer.

Heb 8:8, For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9, Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15, Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

@Grandpa,

What is it about the post above that you disagree with?

It was practically almost all scripture.

Do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?

 

[justbyfaith]

What is the (commandment that you have to obey) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus?
Post it word for word for us.

To walk, not after the flesh, but after the Spirit; thus the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in you (Romans 8:4).

Here is a little more detail as to what that is about.

Gal 5:16, This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17, For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24, And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

 

[peachyking]

To walk, not after the flesh, but after the Spirit; thus the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in you (Romans 8:4).

So what commandments do you have to obey to walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit?

 

[justbyfaith]

So what commandments do you have to obey to walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit?

It is a matter of exemplifying the virtues spoken of in Galatians 5:22-23, in opposition to the vices spoken of in Galatians 5:19-21.

If we do this, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour; we will be law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

Because it is not achieved by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts but rather is obtained by faith.

For we receive the Holy Spirit by faith (Galatians 3:14) and God changes our very nature (1 Corinthians 6:17, 2 Corinthians 5:17) so that we become inclined to obey the word of the Lord.

Our minds become subject to the law of God (Romans 8:7) and when we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

For under the New Covenant, the law is written on our hearts and minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16).

If we love one another, we will obey His commandments (1 John 5:2).

For this is love, that we obey His commandments (1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10).

While we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) as concerning condemnation, we are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21) as concerning obedience.

We know that we know Him if we keep His commandments (1 John 2:3-6).

 

[peachyking]

It is a matter of exemplifying the virtues spoken of in Galatians 5:22-23, in opposition to the vices spoken of in Galatians 5:19-21.

If we do this, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour; we will be law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

Because it is not achieved by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts but rather is obtained by faith.

For we receive the Holy Spirit by faith (Galatians 3:14) and God changes our very nature (1 Corinthians 6:17, 2 Corinthians 5:17) so that we become inclined to obey the word of the Lord.

Our minds become subject to the law of God (Romans 8:7) and when we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

For under the New Covenant, the law is written on our hearts and minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16).

If we love one another, we will obey His commandments (1 John 5:2).

For this is love, that we obey His commandments (1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10).

While we are not under the law (Romans 6:14) as concerning condemnation, we are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21) as concerning obedience.

We know that we know Him if we keep His commandments (1 John 2:3-6).

So therefore when you commit a sin then you are not obeying His commandments
and walking in the Spirit of Christ?

True or false?

 

[justbyfaith]

So therefore when you commit a sin then you are not obeying His commandments
and walking in the Spirit of Christ?

True or false?

True.

Except that my sins are becoming fewer and farther between so that I may not commit a sin any time in the near future.

 

[Gideon300]

… collectively called “the Law”. There isn’t any Scripture that divides the Law into bits and pieces.

Good point. Most Christians assume that the Law is the 10 commandments. Lord Jesus did imply this when He spoke to the rich young ruler and also asked the question about the greatest commandment. Maybe one of the Jewish brethren could comment this. I'm not trying to support any particular view. To me, any mention of the law is pointless. I died to the law because the law did its job and killed me. I am far happier talking about Lord Jesus and what He has done for me. Moses is dead. Jesus is alive!

 

[gb9]

@Grandpa,

What is it about the post above that you disagree with?

It was practically almost all scripture.

Do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?

cherry picked out of context Scripture with you saved by works spin.

it is not the Bible that we disagree with. it is your wrong interpretation of it.

 

[justbyfaith]

cherry picked out of context Scripture with you saved by works spin.

it is not the Bible that we disagree with. it is your wrong interpretation of it.

Actually, the post in question showed that @Grandpa had taken things out of context to say that "the law of sin and death" is the ten commandments.

The post in question, shows that the context of Romans 8:2 (which speaks of "the law of sin and death") is Romans 7:14-25; and that specifically Romans 7:21 reveals to us what is the law of sin and death.

I find it funny how people will cry "out of context" even when the post in question reveals the true context of what a passage is all about.

It is like that is the default for "I don't like what you are preaching and I reject it".

People cry that a verse is taken out of context as an excuse for rejecting the what is spoken by the verse.

Well, you have no excuse here; for the passage in question is not taken out of context; and as a matter of fact it reveals the true context of the passage in question.

 

[justbyfaith]

cherry picked out of context Scripture with you saved by works spin.

it is not the Bible that we disagree with. it is your wrong interpretation of it.

And of course I am not preaching that we are saved by works (for I wholeheartedly believe what it says in Ephesians 2:8-9 from the conception of my faith in Christ)..

While I don't believe that it is unbiblical to preach that we are saved unto good works (Ephesians 2:10).

 

[walknlight]

Good Morning!

..... we are saved unto good works (Ephesians 2:10).

"created in Christ Jesus for good works...."

Have a few questions, please..

How are these works performed?
Does one always know when a "good work" in Christ is being performed?
Does one keep tally?

God Bless....

 

[Grandpa]

@Grandpa,

What is it about the post above that you disagree with?

It was practically almost all scripture.

Do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?

I didn't disagree with any of the scripture.

I just disagreed with what you wrote.

 

[Grandpa]

Actually, the post in question showed that @Grandpa had taken things out of context to say that "the law of sin and death" is the ten commandments.

The post in question, shows that the context of Romans 8:2 (which speaks of "the law of sin and death") is Romans 7:14-25; and that specifically Romans 7:21 reveals to us what is the law of sin and death.

I find it funny how people will cry "out of context" even when the post in question reveals the true context of what a passage is all about.

It is like that is the default for "I don't like what you are preaching and I reject it".

People cry that a verse is taken out of context as an excuse for rejecting the what is spoken by the verse.

Well, you have no excuse here; for the passage in question is not taken out of context; and as a matter of fact it reveals the true context of the passage in question.

Romans 7 is talking about the 10 commandments.

The law of sin and death is the 10 commandments.

I know you don't want to believe it but it is written in scripture.

Romans 7:7-9
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


How do you read scripture and miss it???

 

[Charlie24]

Romans 7 is talking about the 10 commandments.

The law of sin and death is the 10 commandments.

I know you don't want to believe it but it is written in scripture.

Romans 7:7-9
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


How do you read scripture and miss it???

The Law of Sin and Death is not the Ten Commandments, Grandpa!

It is not being able to keep the Ten Commandments! That is what condemns man to death!

The actual Law is righteous and perfect.

Christ became the Second Adam to undo what the first Adam had done, separated us from God by sin.

We can not achieve the righteousness of the Law in our fallen state.

What Christ did for us, and by faith in Him, that righteousness demanded by God is freely given to us.

 

[listenyoumustAll]

Gods standard of righteousness is and always has been the moral Law, the Ten Commandments. The problem for fallen man is that he can't keep that Law of his own ability. Jesus told the Jews in John 7:19,

"Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?"

Man can't save himself by keeping the Laws of God on his own, he needs a Saviour!

At first thought it would seem unreasonable for God to demand that man keep His Law when man can't of his own accord. If man is honest with himself he will admit and know he cannot keep the Law on his own. This brings us to God's plan for man, justification by faith in Jesus Christ.

There are three parts of the Law of Moses, the moral Law -- the Ten Commandments, the civil Law, and the sacrificial Law. The apostle Paul tells us "the Law was our schoolmaster that points us to Christ."

Gal. 3:24-25,

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

The sacrificial system of the Law is what pointed to Christ, the great sacrifice for mans sins that he can be justified by faith in the sight of God. Those under the Law of Moses were saved NOT by their ability to keep the Law, but by faith in the coming Messiah through the sacrifice of an animal that represented Christ.

This sacrifice began in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve fell and was present throughout the entirety of the Old Testament. With Christ hidden in type and shadows in the Old Testament through this sacrifice, He is revealed to us by the Apostles in the New Covenant through the Holy Spirit.

John the Baptist told us, "Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world." John is speaking here of the Great Sacrifice that Christ made for man to be justified by faith in Christ's death and resurrection, not by his own merits in keeping the Law, which man cannot do anyway but by faith in Christ.

This brings us to how man keeps the Law in the sight of God! Jesus told us in Matt. 5:17,

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Christ kept the Law in every aspect for us, He fulfilled the Law which we could not do on our own. Paul tells us why Christ did this for us.

Rom. 8:3-4,

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

Man cannot keep the righteousness of the Law on his own, so Christ fulfilled the Law for us, in that, by faith in His sacrifice the Holy Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the Law in us. This is done by faith in Christ and denying the ability of our flesh to do it ourselves.

The law is just a shadow of the perfect righteousness of God my friend . Jesus is the standard .