Gods Standard of Righteousness
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I rely completely on the Holy Spirit in order that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in me (Romans 8:4).
The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
Since this is ministered by the Spirit, how is it the ministration of death?
Does the Holy Spirit minister death?
The law of sin and death (Romans 8:2), in context, is what was spoken of in Romans 7:14-25.
Sure it does, in context. Look at verse 11.
Then it is in contradiction to James 1:25.
I'm interested in what scripture you think it contradicts (referencing it will do; and you may quote it if you wish)
The law of liberty at the very least has within it two of the ten commandments (James 2:10-12).
And of course, that righteousness is imputed to the one who believes in Jesus Christ.
However, this is not to say that a believer ought not to seek to be obedient to the commandments of the Lord.
1Jo 2:3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5, But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.
Since this is ministered by the Spirit, how is it the ministration of death?
Does the Holy Spirit minister death?
The law of sin and death (Romans 8:2), in context, is what was spoken of in Romans 7:14-25.
Sure it does, in context. Look at verse 11.
Then it is in contradiction to James 1:25.
I'm interested in what scripture you think it contradicts (referencing it will do; and you may quote it if you wish)
The law of liberty at the very least has within it two of the ten commandments (James 2:10-12).
And of course, that righteousness is imputed to the one who believes in Jesus Christ.
However, this is not to say that a believer ought not to seek to be obedient to the commandments of the Lord.
1Jo 2:3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5, But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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As long as you realize that, if you walk according to love, you will not be violating the law of Moses, I think that we can agree.
Rom 13:8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
1Jo 5:3, For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6, And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rom 13:8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10, Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
1Jo 5:3, For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jo 1:6, And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
How can you look to only Christ who wrote the law on our hearts and deny the law? Christ and the spirit of the law can't be separated.
A Christian looks at the law as a guide to having Christ within, to living as belonging to Christ. The law tells him he is a sinner and needs the salvation Christ offers. He does not deny the law.
A Legalist is one who looks to the law as a means of achieving salvation.
A Christian looks at the law as a guide to having Christ within, to living as belonging to Christ. The law tells him he is a sinner and needs the salvation Christ offers. He does not deny the law.
A Legalist is one who looks to the law as a means of achieving salvation.
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there you go again with your false allegations dude
SHOW ME WHERE I ACCUSED HIM OF TEACHING JUSTIFICATION BY THE LAW
My arguments with him HAVE NOT BEEN ABOUT JUSTIFICATION
You are hard of hearing sir. For a new person. you are not making a very good imPress ion Your false allegations notwithstanding
Once again, PROVE YOUR ACCUSATION or say your sorry for bearing false witness against me
SHOW ME WHERE I ACCUSED HIM OF TEACHING JUSTIFICATION BY THE LAW
My arguments with him HAVE NOT BEEN ABOUT JUSTIFICATION
You are hard of hearing sir. For a new person. you are not making a very good imPress ion Your false allegations notwithstanding
Once again, PROVE YOUR ACCUSATION or say your sorry for bearing false witness against me
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So you say I have claimed he teaches justification by works
But in the three times I have asked you to prove that statement, You have failed to do so
This just proves your a liar.
A christian can be a legalist. It does not mean they teach justification by faith
You came into conversations between your buddy and myself and a few other people and railed on us and attacked us not ev en knowing what the conversations were about. And you just proved you have utterly no idea what we have been talking about
I suggest you back up and take a minute to rethink what people have been saying before you dig yourself a further hole
If you can show where I said he believes we are justified by the law. Then prove it. If not. Then I suggest you stop with your slanderous accusations.
But in the three times I have asked you to prove that statement, You have failed to do so
This just proves your a liar.
A christian can be a legalist. It does not mean they teach justification by faith
You came into conversations between your buddy and myself and a few other people and railed on us and attacked us not ev en knowing what the conversations were about. And you just proved you have utterly no idea what we have been talking about
I suggest you back up and take a minute to rethink what people have been saying before you dig yourself a further hole
If you can show where I said he believes we are justified by the law. Then prove it. If not. Then I suggest you stop with your slanderous accusations.
Then what do you suggest a Christian be guided by? If a Christian is guided by Christ, then Christ gave us the law in our hearts as a guide. If we look to the holy spirit as a guide, the the Holy Spirit and God is one and we are back to being given the law in our hearts.
You preach getting rid of the law as a guide, but how are you able to achieve getting the law out of your heart and keeping Christ in your heart?
You preach getting rid of the law as a guide, but how are you able to achieve getting the law out of your heart and keeping Christ in your heart?
