What are you thoughts on Annihilation?
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this is FALSE. Only God is immortal. only believers receive the gift of immortality. Again only Roman Catholic and pagans believe man has an immortal soul”
lol comon man everyone can read what I wrote please refrain from judging me a pagan
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
What’s being judged for what they did while in the body ? Would you say it’s probably the persons spirit that didn’t die with the body ? Seems simple enough to me
was man made to die ? Or did we bring that on ?
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12
Man created death by transgressing this and being thrown out of Eden where the tree of life is
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
when hey transgressed the commandment it brought death to mankind and God then three us out of Eden and barred us from the tree of life
“And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
Genesis 3:22-24 KJV
man is a body created from dust and Gods spirit breathed into him to make him a living soul
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7 KJV
when we die that happens in reverse our body dies and reverts to what it was dust and our spirit returns to God from where it came
“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
Ecclesiastes 12:7 KJV
mans spirit doesn’t die when the body does is what I said of you want to argue what I say quote what I said Don’t twist it up and accuse and all the carnal stuff
When we die our spirit has to go to God alive for judgement . If you want to argue your point and accuse people of ignoring scripture ect you should probably acknolwedge some first
lol comon man everyone can read what I wrote please refrain from judging me a pagan
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
What’s being judged for what they did while in the body ? Would you say it’s probably the persons spirit that didn’t die with the body ? Seems simple enough to me
was man made to die ? Or did we bring that on ?
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
Romans 5:12
Man created death by transgressing this and being thrown out of Eden where the tree of life is
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
when hey transgressed the commandment it brought death to mankind and God then three us out of Eden and barred us from the tree of life
“And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
Genesis 3:22-24 KJV
man is a body created from dust and Gods spirit breathed into him to make him a living soul
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7 KJV
when we die that happens in reverse our body dies and reverts to what it was dust and our spirit returns to God from where it came
“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
Ecclesiastes 12:7 KJV
mans spirit doesn’t die when the body does is what I said of you want to argue what I say quote what I said Don’t twist it up and accuse and all the carnal stuff
When we die our spirit has to go to God alive for judgement . If you want to argue your point and accuse people of ignoring scripture ect you should probably acknolwedge some first
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Divinewatermark--if we dissected every plain word in scripture we would never be able to get thru and read it! The dictionary didn't come into existence until the 1600's. This verse does NOT need to be translated and I am certain the first century Christians as well as anyone else can see plainly the meaning. Death means DEATH. Destroy means DESTROY. How do we know this? ONE because it is a literal verse, not figurative. Second because again 100's of verses say JUST THAT. Scripture interprets Scripture!
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mans spirit doesn’t die when the body does is what I said of you want to argue what I say quote what I said Don’t twist it up and accuse and all the carnal stuff
When we die our spirit has to go to God alive for judgement . If you want to argue your point and accuse people of ignoring scripture ect you should probably acknolwedge some first
We sleep. What sleeps? Certainly not the body--it decays, therefore it is the SPIRIT and SOUL that sleeps. Man became a LIVING SOUL, not a living SPIRIT. The Spirit is what enables us to interact and understand God--it is activated by the HOLY SPIRIT within us. Again, to say an unbeliever will live, just in a different place is FALSE as ONLY Believers receive eternal life.
Soul and Spirit are two different. Jesus said we SLEEP and so did the Apostles and David, so I believe it.
sister they didn’t even die in the ot when tbier body did man has his own lovong spirit the question is where will we live forever ?
if we choose Christ we can have our spirit renewed to be born in the ot the wicked that died went here not into death as you are perceiving it but here
“And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.”
Isaiah 24:22
that happened after Jesus died he went into those spiritual prisons where men’s souls go
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV
can you acknolwedge they weren’t actually dead before Jesus came thier spirits were imprisoned ? The dead bodies of men waste into nothing but our spirit is what can be redeemed
Man has a spirit always have had
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
Romans 8:16
we need that because of this
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
1 John 3:10 KJV
mans spirit is corrupt , wicked that’s what is was about
“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
Genesis 6:5 KJV
rather than growing on Gods image we became like Satan through sin and it’s deceit we can be redeemed from that state and raised up as new born children of God not having our spirit die and receiving a new one but by the Holy Ghost coming into us and redeeming our spirit
if we choose Christ we can have our spirit renewed to be born in the ot the wicked that died went here not into death as you are perceiving it but here
“And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.”
Isaiah 24:22
that happened after Jesus died he went into those spiritual prisons where men’s souls go
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV
can you acknolwedge they weren’t actually dead before Jesus came thier spirits were imprisoned ? The dead bodies of men waste into nothing but our spirit is what can be redeemed
Man has a spirit always have had
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
Romans 8:16
we need that because of this
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
1 John 3:10 KJV
mans spirit is corrupt , wicked that’s what is was about
“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
Genesis 6:5 KJV
rather than growing on Gods image we became like Satan through sin and it’s deceit we can be redeemed from that state and raised up as new born children of God not having our spirit die and receiving a new one but by the Holy Ghost coming into us and redeeming our spirit
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“The spirit of a man will sustain his infirmity; but a wounded spirit who can bear?”
Proverbs 18:14 KJV
“O Lord, by these things men live, and in all these things is the life of my spirit: so wilt thou recover me, and make me to live.”
Isaiah 38:16 KJV
“The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly.”
Proverbs 20:27 KJV
“The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.”
Zechariah 12:1
our spiritual connection to God has always been because we and all that lives came from Gods spirit the creator who was before all thkngs we only later corrupted everything it’s how he knows our inner thkngs
Proverbs 18:14 KJV
“O Lord, by these things men live, and in all these things is the life of my spirit: so wilt thou recover me, and make me to live.”
Isaiah 38:16 KJV
“The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly.”
Proverbs 20:27 KJV
“The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.”
Zechariah 12:1
our spiritual connection to God has always been because we and all that lives came from Gods spirit the creator who was before all thkngs we only later corrupted everything it’s how he knows our inner thkngs
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um yeah mankind’s spirit given when his body was formed in the beginning what’s your point ?
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24 KJV
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
Genesis 1:27 KJV
Mans spirit came here
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7 KJV
there are two parts to us the life inside no one can see the person and then the body just an inanimate vehicle formoir spirit on earth
man then corrupted ourselves and became like this
“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
Genesis 6:5 KJV
this doesn’t change thre fact that man has always had a living spirit even animals have a spirit
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:24 KJV
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
Genesis 1:27 KJV
Mans spirit came here
“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
Genesis 2:7 KJV
there are two parts to us the life inside no one can see the person and then the body just an inanimate vehicle formoir spirit on earth
man then corrupted ourselves and became like this
“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
Genesis 6:5 KJV
this doesn’t change thre fact that man has always had a living spirit even animals have a spirit
Again, soul--that is what animate's a man's body. Spirit is how we interact with God--'deep calls to deep' Soul and Spirit are two distinct things.
"or the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."--Hebrewss 4:12
"or the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."--Hebrewss 4:12
it seems like you all are avoiding every good point made that doesn’t agree with you not one of you have addressed the scriptures I’ve shared you just explain away everything so I don’t see much fruit potential no offense or anything whatsoever I just happen to have a different view on the afterlife from some of you. Jesus actually has a great teaching about this
“And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.”
Luke 16:22-25 KJV
when we die we’re not actually going to die even if w e are heading the wrong direction there’s a place for the wicked after they die and a place for Gods children after they die just the two destinations when our body dies that’s just us moving out of our earthly tabernacle moving our spirit to judgement
that of course above is a teaching from Jesus about what happens when we die the two places we could end up
“And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.”
Luke 16:22-25 KJV
when we die we’re not actually going to die even if w e are heading the wrong direction there’s a place for the wicked after they die and a place for Gods children after they die just the two destinations when our body dies that’s just us moving out of our earthly tabernacle moving our spirit to judgement
that of course above is a teaching from Jesus about what happens when we die the two places we could end up
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Pilgrim, my brother, where we differ is on the nature of man’s spirit. The spirit within him, that gives him life, is the Spirit of God. This is how when a man is born again of the Spirit he has fellowship with God. All men who are alive or are awaiting judgement have this spirit. Spirit can also mean the essence of a thing. We use this to describe mineral spirits or alcohol, for example. The spirit that returns to God is the spirit God gave man. Without this spirit man will die. This spirit, because it is the essence of God, cannot die nor can it be corrupted or destroyed. The spirit that dies and is destroyed is the essence of man: this is dependent upon the man’s position in or not in Christ. If man dies outside of Christ the spirit of God returns to God. Then, the spirit of man, the essence of who he is, is destroyed in the Lake of Fire.
You said: it seems like you all are avoiding every good point made that doesn’t agree with you not one of you have addressed the scriptures.
How am I avoiding? I have addressed everything you said in regards to what you believe about man's spirit. Not agreeing with you is not the same as avoidance.
Luke 16 is a parable. Scripture says,
Even without being told that fact, we see things that do not align with scripture.
1. No one has ascended to heaven but Christ. Not even Abraham. No one is allowed into God's kingdom until Christ's second coming and subsequent judgment.
2. How are the able to see each other? If all people who have died since the flood are in both places they would be in the billions--how was the rich man able to see the beggar? How was he able to carry on a conversation if he was in agony?
3. It says there is a GREAT Chasm--how again were they able to speak?
4. He asks for the beggar to dip water to cool his tongue--how would a drop of water help him?
5. If heaven is a place with no more sorrow, why would those in heaven be able to actually see those who are suffering--even their loved ones?
You said:when we die we’re not actually going to die even if w e are heading the wrong direction
Again you would have to believe in an immortal soul--"God alone is immortal"--only believers will receive immortality, not unbelievers--btw eternal life is called a GIFT.
Pssst @Laura798 ,
For some reason....lol God has placed a burden on my heart for you.
I've seen your struggles and so has he!
We are an holy nation a royal priesthood so we stand together no matter what under his banner.
I too am facing a life threatening health issue at the moment and would ask that you also lift me up before him.
Blessings in Christ.
For some reason....lol God has placed a burden on my heart for you.
I've seen your struggles and so has he!
We are an holy nation a royal priesthood so we stand together no matter what under his banner.
I too am facing a life threatening health issue at the moment and would ask that you also lift me up before him.
Blessings in Christ.
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I will Gardenias. The big problem with online chat forums is that we are essentially anonymous--I think most of us would be much more gracious if we were face to face. I'm very sorry to hear about your health issue and I will be praying.
"Dear friend, I pray that you may enjoy good health and that all may go well with you, even as your soul is getting along well." ~ 3 John 1:2
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