THE RAPTURE/END OF DAYS

[BroTan]

Still arguing about the rapture???? I pray for my brothers and sisters who don't believe in the rapture.
Why??? Because if you don't believe your not going😱😱😱😱😱 .
I want to be as bold as I can be and as truthful as I can. That's right your not going.
Read about the ten virgins again. Only the ones who were waiting were taken. The others left.
Only the ones that went out to greet the bridegroom went to bed in expectation were taken.

I believe that Jesus took my punishment for my sins on that cross. In fact I believe that Jesus took the full wrath of God that day on that cross. I have been baptised I have been washed and I have been cleansed by the blood of the Holy one of Israel. I have died and been raised in Christ Jesus. Amen

So what is left? Paul says that we are not appointed to wrath. He also says that "that which restrains must be taken away before the man of sin is revealed. He also says that we shall meet the Lord in the air along with those that died before us. And we shall be with the Lord for evermore.
Paul says that this all happens in a twinkling of a eye....less than a split second. No one's going to see it.
Jesus said it will happen in a time you think not so be constantly ready.

The Bible do not speak of a rapture nor is the word rapture written in the Bible, if so please show me. Now the Bible do speak of the resurrection, and there are two resurrections. There is a first resurrection where the saints are will raise and meet the Lord in the air (
1Thessalonians 4: 13-17) but first let's read about this first resurrection, and this is all a one time event.

In Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: moreover, I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Now let us see how people and or the saints came up in the first resurrection. Let's go into Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

These are the Saints who will be coming back with Jesus, and notice they kept his Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) and the faith. Some of these Saints were beheaded through the great tribulation, and didn't get the mark of the beast, and they came back from the dead to reign with Christ a thousand yrs. Let's go into 1Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

 

[Absolutely]

All I written happen at the seventh Trumpeth and that is the first resurrection, which are the saints. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12) It's all the same event I show you in different places in the Bible. It's starts Immediately After the Great tribulation. I mention there was much more to happen at the seventh Trumpet, because so much have to happen that the scriptures call it the Great trumpet.

Lets take a look at that trump that is sounded....1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Thessalonians 4: 17. Now we will meet the Lord in the clouds, those that are dead in Christ and those who are still alive and made it out the great tribulation or out of the place of safety (wilderness).

Let's go into 1Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Lets go to Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel. (future) 27:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem (future)

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Let's take a look at, what Jobs said about being dead and being raise, let go to the book of Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 14:13 Oh that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 14:15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.


This is called the first resurrection. If you continue trying to separate these event you will get confused.

Tons of people understand the first resurrection.

Myself included.

I have no idea what point you think you are making

 

[Absolutely]

The Bible do not speak of a rapture nor is the word rapture written in the Bible, if so please show me. Now the Bible do speak of the resurrection, and there are two resurrections. There is a first resurrection where the saints are will raise and meet the Lord in the air (
1Thessalonians 4: 13-17) but first let's read about this first resurrection, and this is all a one time event.

In Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: moreover, I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Now let us see how people and or the saints came up in the first resurrection. Let's go into Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

These are the Saints who will be coming back with Jesus, and notice they kept his Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) and the faith. Some of these Saints were beheaded through the great tribulation, and didn't get the mark of the beast, and they came back from the dead to reign with Christ a thousand yrs. Let's go into 1Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

lol
The first Resurrection has firstfruits (Jesus.)
Then main harvest.
1 thes 4.

They RISE UP INTO THE AIR AND THE LIVING JOIN THEM.

I suppose you're trying to make Revelation 20, those that are seated on Thrones, into the same thing as 1st Thessalonians 4. If that is what you're trying to do I can tell you right now that does not harmonize whatsoever.

You actually start backwards.
You think in your mind that those on thrones are the first resurrection.

But try making 1 thes 4 where they meet Jesus in the air fiT a resurrection AFTER THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON.

IMPOSSIBLE
You are probably using the NIV as youre study guide. That is where most people erroneously think that there is a resurrection after the battle of Armageddon because the niv says "came to life" which is a really poor translation.
erroneous
You based your deal on error.

 

[Absolutely]

All I written happen at the seventh Trumpeth and that is the first resurrection, which are the saints. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12) It's all the same event I show you in different places in the Bible. It's starts Immediately After the Great tribulation. I mention there was much more to happen at the seventh Trumpet, because so much have to happen that the scriptures call it the Great trumpet.

Lets take a look at that trump that is sounded....1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Thessalonians 4: 17. Now we will meet the Lord in the clouds, those that are dead in Christ and those who are still alive and made it out the great tribulation or out of the place of safety (wilderness).

Let's go into 1Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Lets go to Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel. (future) 27:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem (future)

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Let's take a look at, what Jobs said about being dead and being raise, let go to the book of Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 14:13 Oh that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 14:15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.


This is called the first resurrection. If you continue trying to separate these event you will get confused.

"""This is called the first resurrection. If you continue trying to separate these event you will get confused."""

Oh I think you confused it enough for half a dozen people. You need to stop confusing the issue

 

[Absolutely]

TY - did not see all of #198 - TY

Misapplication of the Parable Matt 25:1-13 with the actual sin of Simon, in Acts 8:18

All of the virgins purchased their oil at the marketplace as the 5 wise virgins instructed the foolish 5 to do the same.

Did the Apostles ever instruct anyone to buy the Holy Spirit? - NO - Acts 8:18

Did the Apostles instruct those being called to receive Christ AND the baptism of the Holy Spirit - YES

The marketplace, at that time, was the important place of communication, sharing and telling.
It was the Social Media Hub and Mecca of that day.

The fact that they did not buy for themselves enough Oil for the Upcoming Event demonstrates they did not
hold in high regard the word of God that has gone out to all the world and therefore they missed out.

This same disregard of the Word continues to this day and the same outcome will be experienced with great joy for those who accepted the Promise of the Father and received the necessary filling UP in preparation for that Day - His Coming.

And for those who mock, have unbelief and disregard for the Holy Spirit, they will find themselves on the outside.

So now you're trying to make an issue out of the word "buy".
The wise told the foolish to go by oil from them that sell. All of that Parable is symbolic Jesus even said that he wrote mystery Into The Parables ,and then he explained "this" means "that".
"this" other means "this" and so on.
So trying to make things literal, and then just ascribing the handiest thing to it, is not by any means spiritually Discerning the parable.
We also see in the seven letters to the seven churches ,in one example ,they were told to go and buy gold. Do you really think that they went to those that sell and bought some gold and thought that at that point they were right with God?
No
"gold" and "buying" are symbolic.

 

[Absolutely]

I don't think so either, exactly... but I've made posts in the past about the "OIL" and the "LAMPS LIT"... I'll post a brief excerpt here (to give an idea of what I mean):


[quoting a small portion of those past posts]

[...]
6) Zechariah 4:14 -
"Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth." [SEE Rev11:4 "Lord/God of the earth"]


7) Zechariah 6:5 -
"And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth." [again, SEE Rev11:4 "Lord/God of the earth"]


"olive-trees" (one word in Hebrew, in the passages below) -


The same ^ word (singular word in Hebrew) that is used in Zech4:3 and 4:11 (translated there as "olive trees [H2132 - zayith/zê-ṯîm (one word in Hebrew)]") is also used in the following two passages (at bottom):


(which, btw, goes along with my posts re: the study of the "[olive] OIL" and "the lamps LIT" and "IN THE NIGHT"/"the NIGHT watches" [and the message of Matt24:14/26:13[<--see "oil" related in this verse]--to be preached IN/DURING the trib yrs FOLLOWING "our Rapture"--Matt25:1-13/Matt22:9-14, and Lk12:35,36,37,38,40,42-44,45-48 [for / (their) looking forward to] "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN "the meal [G347]" (i.e. the MK age); etc...])



Exodus 27:20-21 -

The Oil for the Lamps
(Leviticus 24:1–4)

20 And you are to command the Israelites to bring you pure oil of pressed [/beaten] olives [H2132] for the light, to keep the lamps burning continually.
21 In the Tent of Meeting, outside the veil that is in front of the Testimony, Aaron and his sons are to tend the lamps before the LORD from evening until morning. This is to be a permanent statute for the Israelites for the generations to come.


Leviticus 24:2-3 -

The Oil for the Lamps
(Exodus 27:20–21)

1 Then the LORD said to Moses, 2 “Command the Israelites to bring you pure oil of pressed [/beaten] olives [H2132] for the light, to keep the lamps burning continually.
3 Outside the veil of the Testimony in the Tent of Meeting, Aaron is to tend the lamps continually before the LORD from evening until morning. This is to be a permanent statute for the generations to come. 4 He shall tend the lamps on the pure gold lampstand before the LORD continually.



[and]

Exodus 30:8 says, "“And when Aaron lights the lamps at twilight, he shall burn incense on it, a perpetual incense before the LORD throughout your generations."


[end quoting brief excerpts from old posts]



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Then Zech 4:12 says something interesting:

"[...] What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes POUR-FORTH the golden oil out of themselves?"



[v.14 adds - "... that stand by the Lord of the whole earth." (see Rev11:4)]

Have you read those versus in Luke 12?
it is not talking about the second coming on horses it is specifically talking about the pre-trib rapture of course Jesus comes from the wedding in heaven and take them back to heaven where the wedding supper is.
This is vividly Illustrated in the Jewish wedding where the father tells the son to go get his bride the setting is the same.
The heavenly father tells his son the go fetch his bride and to bring her back to the wedding. That is what it's talking about when it says return from the wedding it's talking about the wedding in heaven. Re-read those verses in Luke 12;
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

See that?
That is the pretrib rapture.

 

[Runningman]

The point that Brother Nehemiah6 is making is this: The Anointing Oil was established as the Presence of the Holy Spirit thru Moses.

God establishes important symbols that those who know Scripture can easily identify.

I agree. I know scripture, too, though. I don't think the oil is the Holy Spirit for reasons already listed. Another reason is that more oil (Holy Spirit) isn't obtained through anyone else but God. That means their errand to go buy oil at midnight was looking in all the wrong places.

Furthermore, consider these verses:

Ephesians 1:13-14
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

God's Holy Spirit is a promise of the earnest of our inheritance. God doesn't lie or change His promises. So I don't believe the oil is God's Holy Spirit. Does that make sense to you?

 

[DavidTree]

I agree. I know scripture, too, though. I don't think the oil is the Holy Spirit for reasons already listed. Another reason is that more oil (Holy Spirit) isn't obtained through anyone else but God. That means their errand to go buy oil at midnight was looking in all the wrong places.

Furthermore, consider these verses:

Ephesians 1:13-14
13

I agree. I know scripture, too, though. I don't think the oil is the Holy Spirit for reasons already listed. Another reason is that more oil (Holy Spirit) isn't obtained through anyone else but God. That means their errand to go buy oil at midnight was looking in all the wrong places.

Furthermore, consider these verses:

Ephesians 1:13-14
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

God's Holy Spirit is a promise of the earnest of our inheritance. God doesn't lie or change His promises. So I don't believe the oil is God's Holy Spirit. Does that make sense to you?

PARABLE PARABLE PARABLE

God is speaking thru a parable, using real life circumstances that the average person of that time and culture could INSTANTLY identify with.

We all know you cannot purchase the HS7 - and that was not what the meaning behind the 5 wise, who in fact purchased their Oil from the marketplace and told the 5 foolish they should of done that already, like them.

Parable - taking real life circumstances and everyday occurrences to teach and reveal a Truth.

You are taking theall of the elements of the Parable as literal - dosn't work that way.

The Parable is revealed by Scripture that dictates the elements of the parable to that which is part of God's Will/Plan for us.

SECONDLY - you said: "God's Holy Spirit is a promise of the earnest of our inheritance. God doesn't lie or change His promises."

Your statement is 1000% TRUTH and it MAGNIFIES the OIl in the Parable.
The OIL is the Holy Spirit in accordance with Scripture which you pointed out in Ephesians.

Satan has successfully lied to christians and modern christianity to hide the Relevance of HS7 and the Baptism in HS7.

HS7 has been mostly replaced with intellectualism and scholarly/academic achievements of man, not with God but with man.

God's Promises remain steadfast and few there be that find THEM.

 

[Runningman]

PARABLE PARABLE PARABLE

God is speaking thru a parable, using real life circumstances that the average person of that time and culture could INSTANTLY identify with.

We all know you cannot purchase the HS7 - and that was not what the meaning behind the 5 wise, who in fact purchased their Oil from the marketplace and told the 5 foolish they should of done that already, like them.

Parable - taking real life circumstances and everyday occurrences to teach and reveal a Truth.

You are taking theall of the elements of the Parable as literal - dosn't work that way.

The Parable is revealed by Scripture that dictates the elements of the parable to that which is part of God's Will/Plan for us.

SECONDLY - you said: "God's Holy Spirit is a promise of the earnest of our inheritance. God doesn't lie or change His promises."

Your statement is 1000% TRUTH and it MAGNIFIES the OIl in the Parable.
The OIL is the Holy Spirit in accordance with Scripture which you pointed out in Ephesians.

Satan has successfully lied to christians and modern christianity to hide the Relevance of HS7 and the Baptism in HS7.

HS7 has been mostly replaced with intellectualism and scholarly/academic achievements of man, not with God but with man.

God's Promises remain steadfast and few there be that find THEM.

Which verses do you believe substantiate your claim?

 

[DavidTree]

Which verses do you believe substantiate your claim?

i will joyfully share with my Brother.

Here is just one - "Let the trees of the forest sing for joy before the LORD, for he is coming to judge the earth."

HALELUJAH

Will get back to you later for more - Thank You

 

[Blain]

Dear Blain,

I find your dream interesting; the bible says in the last days "...Your old men will dream dreams." Numbers hold meaning in scripture and numbers thru physics etc have revealed many mysteries of the Universe.

I found this article regarding the number 4--what stood out to me was 4 representing the 'appointed time'. Perhaps it is a reminder to you and those of us reading this to remember --there is an appointed time for Christ's return--that we are to always be ready and in the meantime, be wise in how we live our Christian lives--in the fruit of the spirit and sharing the gospel--I certainly get caught up in my struggles on this earth and often forget what my true purpose is.

"Interestingly, the Hebrew word for 'seasons' in Genesis 1:14 is moed (Strong's Concordance #H4150), which literally translated is "appointed times" (divine appointments) in reference to God's festivals. This is the earliest known allusion to what would later be called the Holy (or Feast) days (periods) of worship, which are seven in number."


https://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/4.html

Yes all throughout scripture God has used numbers as a hidden language and the number four is a very deep one at that. My dream showing the number four has a lot of meaning as well but the fact that the clock was made out of clouds also seems to be important. Sadly it is not yet time to go home but it is getting close in every rapture dream I have ever had there was always that sense of knowing in my spirit even if I didn't know the exact hour or day there was always that sense that came with it.

My question is will we feel that same sense of knowing when it's finally time? I won't lie it would mean the whole world to me to finally go home this world is draining and sometimes I long for him so badly I just break down in tyears I can live in a cardboard box in heaven for all I care as long as I can finally have him so if it is soon hopefully it is not to much longer but with the feast days passing I honestly don't know where to look in regards to when it might happen.

some believe it can happen at any time any day but the problem is that firstly that is just to vague and he is a God of order he always does things in appointed times not by chance or a random day

 

[Laura798]

Yes all throughout scripture God has used numbers as a hidden language and the number four is a very deep one at that. My dream showing the number four has a lot of meaning as well but the fact that the clock was made out of clouds also seems to be important. Sadly it is not yet time to go home but it is getting close in every rapture dream I have ever had there was always that sense of knowing in my spirit even if I didn't know the exact hour or day there was always that sense that came with it.

My question is will we feel that same sense of knowing when it's finally time? I won't lie it would mean the whole world to me to finally go home this world is draining and sometimes I long for him so badly I just break down in tyears I can live in a cardboard box in heaven for all I care as long as I can finally have him so if it is soon hopefully it is not to much longer but with the feast days passing I honestly don't know where to look in regards to when it might happen.

some believe it can happen at any time any day but the problem is that firstly that is just to vague and he is a God of order he always does things in appointed times not by chance or a random day

HI Blain,

I'll go back and read your dream again--I am curious as to its meaning. Pray and ask God to reveal it--share it with a trusted brother or sister. Maybe they have some insight into its meaning.

It's important to read scriptures for ourselves for 'many false prophets have gone into the world'--Paul warned us about them 2000 years ago--how many are there now?

"The day or the hour no one knows."

But throughout scriptures we have been given signs to look for. The key one will be when the antichrist is revealed. Also Israel became a nation in 1948 as Isaiah prophesied. This is important to note.

"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”-- Luke 21:36

Those of us who understand who are still alive, may be able to escape the persecution that is coming on the world and live to see him coming on the clouds! Scripture says "the whole world will see his coming"--He is coming with a trumpet blast and shout and innumerable angels--it will not be in secret.

""And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."--2 Thessalonians 2:8

"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.--Matthew 24:14

"…11and many false prophets will arise and mislead many. 12 Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.… --" Matthew 24:11-13


“People will stagger from sea to sea
And from the north even to the east;
They will go to and fro to seek the word of the Lord,
But they will not find it." Amos

This verse above is how I feel now--I have been unable to find a truly gospel centered church where I live in CA. Churches I visit may be filled with people, but the feeling is like they're dead.

 

[ewq1938]

The Bible do not speak of a rapture nor is the word rapture written in the Bible, if so please show me.

The NT was written in Greek not English. No English word is found in original bible. The bible does use word for "rapture" which is Harpazo. Paul wrote that people would be "caught up". That's rapture in bible. Christ also used a different term, being "gathered together" which also a rapture reference.

 

[BroTan]

The NT was written in Greek not English. No English word is found in original bible. The bible does use word for "rapture" which is Harpazo. Paul wrote that people would be "caught up". That's rapture in bible. Christ also used a different term, being "gathered together" which also a rapture reference.

Even if those reference are correct the word rapture is still not in the Bible. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

What you have to understand is that this event is at the seventh Trumpet and there are many thing happening at this time. The verse above is refers to the resurrection, not caught up. Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (John 11: 23-26)

See Martha understood the word of God clear, she knew about the first resurrection. Jesus didn't say I am the caught up, or Rapture, doesn't make sense. Jesus says I am the resurrection and the life!

 

[BroTan]

"""This is called the first resurrection. If you continue trying to separate these event you will get confused."""

Oh I think you confused it enough for half a dozen people. You need to stop confusing the issue

Scriptures and verses please.

 

[BroTan]

lol
The first Resurrection has firstfruits (Jesus.)
Then main harvest.
1 thes 4.

They RISE UP INTO THE AIR AND THE LIVING JOIN THEM.

I suppose you're trying to make Revelation 20, those that are seated on Thrones, into the same thing as 1st Thessalonians 4. If that is what you're trying to do I can tell you right now that does not harmonize whatsoever.

You actually start backwards.
You think in your mind that those on thrones are the first resurrection.

But try making 1 thes 4 where they meet Jesus in the air fiT a resurrection AFTER THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON.

IMPOSSIBLE
You are probably using the NIV as youre study guide. That is where most people erroneously think that there is a resurrection after the battle of Armageddon because the niv says "came to life" which is a really poor translation.
erroneous
You based your deal on error.

Paul says in i Corinthians 15: 34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

 

[Absolutely]

Paul says in i Corinthians 15: 34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

look
you accused me of not knowing about the 1st resurrection.
i told you many people including myself know all about it.

so now we see more juvenile games from you trying to shoot others down with scripture.

get yourself a mirror and acknowledge you are not knowledgeable at all and repeat all those put down verses to yourself..

it is juvenile for you to weaponize verses against the brethren.

you must belong to some hyper legalistic fellowship.
a paul washer type follower correct???

and stop acting like you are knowledgeable of the first resurrection

 

[ewq1938]

Even if those reference are correct the word rapture is still not in the Bible.

That's still wrong. The Greek word for rapture is in the NT manuscripts. In the English it's translated to "caught up" which is a rapture.

What you have to understand is that this event is at the seventh Trumpet and there are many thing happening at this time. The verse above is refers to the resurrection, not caught up.

It says caught up! All you are doing is telling people not to believe the bible!


Two things happen at second coming:

1. The dead are resurrected.
2. The living are changed and then raptured up/caught up.

 

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All I written happen at the seventh Trumpeth and that is the first resurrection, which are the saints. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12) It's all the same event I show you in different places in the Bible. It's starts Immediately After the Great tribulation. I mention there was much more to happen at the seventh Trumpet, because so much have to happen that the scriptures call it the Great trumpet.

Lets take a look at that trump that is sounded....1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Thessalonians 4: 17. Now we will meet the Lord in the clouds, those that are dead in Christ and those who are still alive and made it out the great tribulation or out of the place of safety (wilderness).

Let's go into 1Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Lets go to Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel. (future) 27:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem (future)

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Let's take a look at, what Jobs said about being dead and being raise, let go to the book of Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 14:13 Oh that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 14:15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.


This is called the first resurrection. If you continue trying to separate these event you will get confused.

rev 14
read it

it demolishes your deal.

take a look at Jesus sitting on a cloud gathering the elect with a sickle in his hand.

 

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PARABLE PARABLE PARABLE

God is speaking thru a parable, using real life circumstances that the average person of that time and culture could INSTANTLY identify with.

We all know you cannot purchase the HS7 - and that was not what the meaning behind the 5 wise, who in fact purchased their Oil from the marketplace and told the 5 foolish they should of done that already, like them.

Parable - taking real life circumstances and everyday occurrences to teach and reveal a Truth.

You are taking theall of the elements of the Parable as literal - dosn't work that way.

The Parable is revealed by Scripture that dictates the elements of the parable to that which is part of God's Will/Plan for us.

SECONDLY - you said: "God's Holy Spirit is a promise of the earnest of our inheritance. God doesn't lie or change His promises."

Your statement is 1000% TRUTH and it MAGNIFIES the OIl in the Parable.
The OIL is the Holy Spirit in accordance with Scripture which you pointed out in Ephesians.

Satan has successfully lied to christians and modern christianity to hide the Relevance of HS7 and the Baptism in HS7.

HS7 has been mostly replaced with intellectualism and scholarly/academic achievements of man, not with God but with man.

God's Promises remain steadfast and few there be that find THEM.

LOL
you holler "parable" as if to bring into the equation some understanding.

look up the word "metaphor"

A parable is a story within a story.

Jesus unpacks some of them .( "this meaans that")

then you turn around and wildly ascribe what you think.

as if "buy" LITERRALLY means "buy".

face palm.