THE RAPTURE/END OF DAYS

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What I have found in scripture is that without the Holy Spirit we are incomplete.
Jesus told us of the Holy Spirit that he comes to and fro from where we do not know.
Many believe it's a one and done thing. Not according to scripture. It's a daily filling we need.
Jesus taught in the temple and throughout with authority (power) .
He emptied himself daily and asked to be filled again..notice he was seen many times praying to the father.
We are in desperate need of Gods free gifts without them we are incomplete and not excepted.
The Lord said "let us make man in our image.
All that I have posted here should be good news to many as I had hoped for.
Many may think that they need to be more faithful ....more faith.
But it may be lack of the Holy Spirit in there lives and all they need to do is ask.
There have been many teachers and preachers with a good knowledge of scripture who could preach and teach a great sermon. But without that power and authority that comes from the Holy Spirit it soon falls on deaf ears.
God through out the bible always witnessed by him, jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
All of creation was created by these 3.
If we lack let him ask Paul said.
I believe that some cannot see the mysteries in the new testament because they lack the Holy Spirit.
Yes there are I believe 13 possibly more in the new testament other than the rapture event.
Jesus is faithful to complete his good work in us untill the day of redemption.
Make sure you are filled. If not you are incomplete.
If we are living sacrifices to the Lord but are incomplete are we accepted?
Paul said make sure we are spotless, blameless, he told us to examine ourselves.
And if we find a lack...ask.
"""Many believe it's a one and done thing. Not according to scripture. It's a daily filling we need."""

Yes, true every word. I wholeheartedly believe that
 
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First thing i noticed is the Oil for i know what the LORD is speaking of - You should know that i know - did i not start a Thread on this most important Elemement for Godly Living in "Cessation of Gifts"
Yep. Seems like you did well in that thread
 
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There is a clue in acts.
Those that recieved the baptism in the Holy Spirit in acts via laying on of hands, were already saved. Already had a small measure of the Holy Spirit.
Hence some with oil, others with extra vessels of oil.
By the way I think I have the parable of the ten virgins figured out, glory to God. Don't want to share it all here, I'll open a new thread. The point of the five wise telling the five foolish to go buy more oil wasn't because any oil can be bought; that was a test.
 
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Oil being Holy Spirit is most likely not plausible. Since the Holy Spirit is God Himself, infinite in capacity. People don't fall asleep and suddenly wake up void of Holy Spirit, as if He is some commodity that can be continually replenished with our effort.

It's much more likely the oil is something else. I'm exploring how the oil is possibly love, endurance, or patience.
Dear Brother - Oil absolutely is symbolic of the Holy Spirit -

In Scripture it was called "the Anointing", in the Gospels and forward it is called the baptism in the Holy Spirit.

The LORD is called "the Annonited One of God" and this "Anointed one" instructs us to seek the Promise of the Father.

You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. - 1 John 2:20

How did they receive this "annointing"??? Was it it actual oil poured over their heads as was done to the High Priest of OT?

Read, study, pray the Gospel of John.

Be filled with the fullness of God? Is this possible??? = Yes, but only One Way
 

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Except I am not in the camp of pre or post Trib rapture. I am Amalineial .

I believe we are living in the tribulations NOW. And, when that Eastern Sky splits, and Jesus descends......the trump sounds, all earth will know, and every knee bow and every tongue confess Jesus.......THAT WILL BE IT! There will be NOTHING ELSE....except the Judgement, and eternal reward or punishment...........
I think you meant amillennial.
 
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Dear Brother - Oil absolutely is symbolic of the Holy Spirit -

In Scripture it was called "the Anointing", in the Gospels and forward it is called the baptism in the Holy Spirit.

The LORD is called "the Annonited One of God" and this "Anointed one" instructs us to seek the Promise of the Father.

You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. - 1 John 2:20

How did they receive this "annointing"??? Was it it actual oil poured over their heads as was done to the High Priest of OT?

Read, study, pray the Gospel of John.

Be filled with the fullness of God? Is this possible??? = Yes, but only One Way
I discussed a bit why I think the oil is not the Holy Spirit in post #198 of this thread.
 

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I discussed a bit why I think the oil is not the Holy Spirit in post #198 of this thread.
And why would you do that since oil is a metaphor for the Holy Spirit, hence we read of "unction" in the first epistle of John? Why are Christians constantly trying to change the meaning of things presented in the Bible?
 
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I discussed a bit why I think the oil is not the Holy Spirit in post #198 of this thread.
TY - did not see all of #198 - TY

Misapplication of the Parable Matt 25:1-13 with the actual sin of Simon, in Acts 8:18

All of the virgins purchased their oil at the marketplace as the 5 wise virgins instructed the foolish 5 to do the same.

Did the Apostles ever instruct anyone to buy the Holy Spirit? - NO - Acts 8:18

Did the Apostles instruct those being called to receive Christ AND the baptism of the Holy Spirit - YES

The marketplace, at that time, was the important place of communication, sharing and telling.
It was the Social Media Hub and Mecca of that day.

The fact that they did not buy for themselves enough Oil for the Upcoming Event demonstrates they did not
hold in high regard the word of God that has gone out to all the world and therefore they missed out.

This same disregard of the Word continues to this day and the same outcome will be experienced with great joy for those who accepted the Promise of the Father and received the necessary filling UP in preparation for that Day - His Coming.

And for those who mock, have unbelief and disregard for the Holy Spirit, they will find themselves on the outside.
 
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And why would you do that since oil is a metaphor for the Holy Spirit, hence we read of "unction" in the first epistle of John? Why are Christians constantly trying to change the meaning of things presented in the Bible?
Amen
 
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TY - did not see all of #198 - TY

Misapplication of the Parable Matt 25:1-13 with the actual sin of Simon, in Acts 8:18
How so?

All of the virgins purchased their oil at the marketplace as the 5 wise virgins instructed the foolish 5 to do the same.
Matthew 25:1-13 doesn't say where they got their oil from.

Did the Apostles ever instruct anyone to buy the Holy Spirit? - NO - Acts 8:18
Agreed and if they had they would have sinned. That's why the oil is not the Holy Spirit, because they would have effectually been instructed to purchase more Holy Spirit.

Did the Apostles instruct those being called to receive Christ AND the baptism of the Holy Spirit - YES
Yes.

The marketplace, at that time, was the important place of communication, sharing and telling.
It was the Social Media Hub and Mecca of that day.
Agreed, but they were told to go buy oil at around the midnight hour(Matthew 25:6). The market place would have either been empty or had some unsavory characters lurking about. No where to buy oil at midnight.

The fact that they did not buy for themselves enough Oil for the Upcoming Event demonstrates they did not
hold in high regard the word of God that has gone out to all the world and therefore they missed out.
The oil represents something else.

This same disregard of the Word continues to this day and the same outcome will be experienced with great joy for those who accepted the Promise of the Father and received the necessary filling UP in preparation for that Day - His Coming.
I've noticed that too. Quite a shame.
 
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EXCELLENT Point - so i believe i had combined, in my head from memory, multiple verses, as i went from memory - TY

So let me rephrase - Where did the 5 wise virgins tell the 5 foolish to get there oil?
 
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And why would you do that since oil is a metaphor for the Holy Spirit, hence we read of "unction" in the first epistle of John?
That's not a response to post #198.

Why are Christians constantly trying to change the meaning of things presented in the Bible?
Are you complaining about someone?
 
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How so?



Matthew 25:1-13 doesn't say where they got their oil from.



Agreed and if they had they would have sinned. That's why the oil is not the Holy Spirit, because they would have effectually been instructed to purchase more Holy Spirit.



Yes.



Agreed, but they were told to go buy oil at around the midnight hour(Matthew 25:6). The market place would have either been empty or had some unsavory characters lurking about. No where to buy oil at midnight.



The oil represents something else.



I've noticed that too. Quite a shame.

Remember Matt 25:1-13 is a Parable and is similar to Revelation where our Lord uses symbolic meaning (Dragon/Beast).

Where did the 5 wise virgins tell the 5 foolish to get there oil?
 
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Remember Matt 25:1-13 is a Parable and is similar to Revelation where our Lord uses symbolic meaning (Dragon/Beast).

Where did the 5 wise virgins tell the 5 foolish to get there oil?
Whatever the oil may be, whether the Holy Spirit, or forgiveness, or something else, they got the oil from God. The five foolish virgins should have stayed at the entrance to the wedding until the bridegroom arrived, instead of leaving, to ask him for more oil.
 
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I am complaining about the many attempts on all Christian forums to change the plain teachings of Scripture.
I mean, I agree with that too. I'm not attempting to change God's word. I'm just discussing a parable with you all. I hope you don't think that my discussion of figurative and symbolic language is an attempt to edit the Bible because it's not. Thanks for sharing that though. We should pray for those people.
 

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I discussed a bit why I think the oil is not the Holy Spirit in post #198 of this thread.
I don't think so either, exactly... but I've made posts in the past about the "OIL" and the "LAMPS LIT"... I'll post a brief excerpt here (to give an idea of what I mean):


[quoting a small portion of those past posts]

[...]
6) Zechariah 4:14 -
"Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth." [SEE Rev11:4 "Lord/God of the earth"]


7) Zechariah 6:5 -
"And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth." [again, SEE Rev11:4 "Lord/God of the earth"]


"olive-trees" (one word in Hebrew, in the passages below) -


The same ^ word (singular word in Hebrew) that is used in Zech4:3 and 4:11 (translated there as "olive trees [H2132 - zayith/zê-ṯîm (one word in Hebrew)]") is also used in the following two passages (at bottom):


(which, btw, goes along with my posts re: the study of the "[olive] OIL" and "the lamps LIT" and "IN THE NIGHT"/"the NIGHT watches" [and the message of Matt24:14/26:13[<--see "oil" related in this verse]--to be preached IN/DURING the trib yrs FOLLOWING "our Rapture"--Matt25:1-13/Matt22:9-14, and Lk12:35,36,37,38,40,42-44,45-48 [for / (their) looking forward to] "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN "the meal [G347]" (i.e. the MK age); etc...])



Exodus 27:20-21 -

The Oil for the Lamps
(Leviticus 24:1–4)

20 And you are to command the Israelites to bring you pure oil of pressed [/beaten] olives [H2132] for the light, to keep the lamps burning continually.
21 In the Tent of Meeting, outside the veil that is in front of the Testimony, Aaron and his sons are to tend the lamps before the LORD from evening until morning. This is to be a permanent statute for the Israelites for the generations to come.


Leviticus 24:2-3 -

The Oil for the Lamps
(Exodus 27:20–21)

1 Then the LORD said to Moses, 2 “Command the Israelites to bring you pure oil of pressed [/beaten] olives [H2132] for the light, to keep the lamps burning continually.
3 Outside the veil of the Testimony in the Tent of Meeting, Aaron is to tend the lamps continually before the LORD from evening until morning. This is to be a permanent statute for the generations to come. 4 He shall tend the lamps on the pure gold lampstand before the LORD continually.



[and]

Exodus 30:8 says, "“And when Aaron lights the lamps at twilight, he shall burn incense on it, a perpetual incense before the LORD throughout your generations."


[end quoting brief excerpts from old posts]



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Then Zech 4:12 says something interesting:

"[...] What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes POUR-FORTH the golden oil out of themselves?"



[v.14 adds - "... that stand by the Lord of the whole earth." (see Rev11:4)]
 
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Whatever the oil may be, whether the Holy Spirit, or forgiveness, or something else, they got the oil from God. The five foolish virgins should have stayed at the entrance to the wedding until the bridegroom arrived, instead of leaving, to ask him for more oil.
This is a parable, at that time the place to buy oil was the marketplace.

This has nothing to do with Acts 8.
This is why the wise virgins told the other 5 to go buy oil - the same place where they bought theirs.

The Lord received the 5 wise - the wise were not in error and there is no connection to Acts 8 with buying HS7.
The marketplace, at that time, was the important place of communication, sharing and telling.
It was the Social Media Hub and Mecca of that day.

The fact that the 5 foolish did not buy for themselves enough Oil for the Upcoming Event demonstrates they did not
hold in high regard the word of God that has gone out to all the world and therefore they missed out.
For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Matt 6:21

This same disregard of the Word continues to this day and the same outcome will be experienced with great joy for those who accepted the Promise of the Father and received the necessary filling UP in preparation for that Day - His Coming.

And for those who mock, have unbelief and disregard for the Holy Spirit, they will find themselves on the outside.

The baptism of HS7 is the PROMISE of the Father - to reject or devalue the baptism of the HS7 is contrary to the will of God.
 
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I mean, I agree with that too. I'm not attempting to change God's word. I'm just discussing a parable with you all. I hope you don't think that my discussion of figurative and symbolic language is an attempt to edit the Bible because it's not. Thanks for sharing that though. We should pray for those people.
The point that Brother Nehemiah6 is making is this: The Anointing Oil was established as the Presence of the Holy Spirit thru Moses.

God establishes important symbols that those who know Scripture can easily identify.
 

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Yes
In mat 24:31 he sends angels to gather FROM HEAVEN(not earth),
and it is ANGELS GATHERING (not Jesus)
so that fails any semblance of a postrib rapture/ resurrection.

The rest of your verses do nothing to indicate a postrib rapture/ resurrection.

Zero.


The rapture is pretrib. That is solid bible.

Rev 14 has a gathering by Jesus sitting on a cloud.
Go back and look at what others with your position do to that chapter.

Most postribbers do not even realize that If Jesus gathers/ harvests believers DURING THE TRIB ( Rev 14) it destroys your entire doctrine.

And of course it does.

Funny you post Acts1.
Your doctrine actually prevents any " like manner"
Go back and look at the picture you painted at the second coming. Then compare it to Acts1 ascention.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
Not even a shread of similarity.
Postrib Rapture is poorly thought out.

Oh....and you never proved anything at all concerning the impossibility of rev 20 showing a postrib resurrection ....and some notion that those on thrones make up the entirety of the first resurrection.
In Revelation 20 you see the battle of the Antichrist is over and Jesus has been on earth for some time.
So there is no resurrection of the Dead in Christ at that time because the dead in Christ shall rise to meet him in the air.
the dead in Christ meet Jesus in the air and that is before He comes to earth.

All I written happen at the seventh Trumpeth and that is the first resurrection, which are the saints. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12) It's all the same event I show you in different places in the Bible. It's starts Immediately After the Great tribulation. I mention there was much more to happen at the seventh Trumpet, because so much have to happen that the scriptures call it the Great trumpet.

Lets take a look at that trump that is sounded....1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Thessalonians 4: 17. Now we will meet the Lord in the clouds, those that are dead in Christ and those who are still alive and made it out the great tribulation or out of the place of safety (wilderness).

Let's go into 1Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Lets go to Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel. (future) 27:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem (future)

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Let's take a look at, what Jobs said about being dead and being raise, let go to the book of Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 14:13 Oh that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 14:15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.


This is called the first resurrection. If you continue trying to separate these event you will get confused.