Basic income

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Smoke

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Who do think actually pays the corporate taxes? Spoiler alert! It's passed directly to the consumers of their products. In reality it's another form of taxation induced inflation.
Small mom and pop shops who already have a difficult time competing with fortune 500 companies are the ones paying... A greedy corporation absolutely passes the burden onto the consumer, but not all corporations are that way. Many corporations provide a living wage to all their workers instead of buying their 9th and 10th mansion/Ferrari.

There was a good documentary I'd suggest you watch, Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price. Since then, Walmart has tried to clean up it's image some by increasing their pay above the non-living federal minimum wage.
 

Handyman62

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Small mom and pop shops who already have a difficult time competing with fortune 500 companies are the ones paying... A greedy corporation absolutely passes the burden onto the consumer, but not all corporations are that way. Many corporations provide a living wage to all their workers instead of buying their 9th and 10th mansion/Ferrari.

There was a good documentary I'd suggest you watch, Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price. Since then, Walmart has tried to clean up it's image some by increasing their pay above the non-living federal minimum wage.
Capitalism is not a perfect system and forcing Walmart or any other corparation to pay taxes that are just passed on to consumers doesn't help any Mom & Pop stores, if anything it hurts them by removing some of the disposable from people that could be spending at some of those Mom & Pop stores.
 
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I believe America is going to a type of government operation that will be compatible with the coming one world government.

It will be a balance between democracy and socialism for that is the only way that the one world government can happen for America can keep their democracy but have to be a little harder, and China can keep their communism but be a little softer.

This will be something that will be tolerable for the nations to come together.

Also the basic income will be a pattern for the world which will appeal to the people of the world and a great motivator for the people and the nations to come together as one.

America is setting the stage for the operation of the one world government to come.

Since it still has democracy as part of that system they will not take anything away from anybody for they will still work and make what money they make but those that do not make the poverty level mark will be given a supplement income to boost them to where they can meet their needs so everybody will have their needs met.

They will also put more pressure on the rich and enforce them to participate more in contributing back to the government in taxes and money that will be directed to people for their needs but they still will be rich for they will not take it all away from them like everybody else.

Like they want the billionaires to foot the bill for the 3.5 trillion dollar spending tax, raise their taxes, and now there is a 15% global tax on businesses that do business outside of their country which would amount to a vast amount of money to help those that have need.

Now this all sounds good for the vast majority of the people if it was something that was sincere but it is deceitfulness to pull the nations together according to the new age movement plan and to produce the New Age Christ.

Which they do not believe the New Age Christ will help them to achieve peace on earth and evolve to be spiritual until the nations come together as one to work together for peace on earth so they will do what it takes to make that happen.

It is the Hegel System and it has been planned out which they take 2 opposing forces and then in the future harmonize them together in to one system which they believe is a better system than either one alone and that harmonizing is beginning now.

Which we could see the harmonizing as both systems started employing the traits of the other system years ago.

America started teaching evolution and secular humanism, and the welfare system, among some other things.

Russia started allowing Christianity which in 1993 allowed freedom of religion and allowing some form of Capitalism as they now have billionaires in Russia.

America and Russia are the 2 opposing systems which they will the one world government will be a balance between the two.

Also the new age movement interpretation of the Bible and religions is a harmonizing of America and Russia for they interpret the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and believe in no personal God.

America- religious, spiritual, belief in a higher power.

Russia- atheist, secular humanism.

New age movement- atheist, but spiritual, higher power the God of forces, or the power of nature the evolutionary process where they believe they are still evolving to be spiritual, and believe in no personal God, but believe the universe has a conscience which they biggest prophet of the new age movement is Alice Bailey who wrote a book called Consciousness of the Atom.

So they believe they are following a higher power but it is not a personal God.

America and Russia were set up as opposing forces which they would harmonize in the future for a one world government.

Which Russia became Communist in 1922 to start off the plan.

Which I believe it was America's plan to cause the nations to come together under the banner of Christianity acknowledging a higher power and Jesus as Lord but evolution caused them to interpret the Bible and religions differently which they still want the same thing to cause the nations to come together but now they want it to be under the banner of the new age movement interpretation of the Bible.

Evolution caused them to look at religion and reality differently so things will change in the world because of that and not for the better for the occult is involved and their belief system is the most arrogant, selfish, and self exalting system in the world, and tey will do anything to be able to evolve to be spiritual and godlike and be an ascended master like Jesus.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints of the new age movement, and their interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him, and he evolved to be an ascended master, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and they believe the Christ conscience will come upon him, and he will evolve to be greater than Jesus, and share this power with all people who follow him.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God where they will take the mark of the beast, and then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God will end sin on earth, and have His people will Him.

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables(2 Timothy 4:2-4).

The time will come when the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their own lusts the new age movement.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and work as a great man of peace, and push the agenda of the new age movement in the world to prepare the world for when he claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and evolving, and will share this power with all people who follow him.

It is the end game.
 

Gideon300

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Right now I' m retired but thinking about just getting a part-time job somewhere just to be productive. The extra money would come in handy too. I just thank God that for the most part my working years are behind me. You are right, even low wage entry level jobs are being phased out. Not looking too good for someone just starting out in the workforce. I don't envy them.
Yes, I was talking to a young man, Christian, today. He is smart, strong and fit. He stacks supermarket shelves. he has another part time job. Not exactly the kind of work with a future. When I entered the workforce, cadetships were common. Companies paid people to learn and be trained. Now the burden is on the trainee, saddled with debt and with no guarantee of a job at the end of their education. Australia has some of world's best educated Uber drivers.........
 

JohnDB

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DONT let them fool us again with their lies.

This “billionaire” tax, is an absolute Trojan horse attempt to tax “yet unrealized” investments from everyday Americans 401k and IRA accounts.
Absolutely...it's a way to tax all the corporations...but more specifically all the ETFs and mutual funds people have money invested in for retirement.
All those ROTH IRA's (post tax dollars invested for retirement are tax free dollars) are now accessible by taxing the companies invested through.

They whine about Facebook not paying taxes...and how they are targeting children and etc etc etc...but don't mean a word of it. Every last senator owns stock in the company. They aren't going to do anything except talk tough.
 

shittim

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sympathy sent.
best wishes
 

ZNP

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When I get sick and die from the vaccine. In other words, never.
Well got that wrong, I thought after the third jab, I guess I'm just too much of an optimist.
 

shittim

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When do you think they may roll out numbers 4, 5, 6, etc. of the "vaccine" that cannot and will not protect?
 

JohnDB

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When do you think they may roll out numbers 4, 5, 6, etc. of the "vaccine" that cannot and will not protect?
Keep this junk in your thread...I don't want to be dragged into your conspiracy theory nonsense.
 

shittim

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then don't read it and don't be such a controller, this isn't your personal forum.(y)
 

ZNP

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Keep this junk in your thread...I don't want to be dragged into your conspiracy theory nonsense.
I suspect this post will be like a fruit fly, won't age well.
 

EmilyNats

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It's no good. Politicians say tax the rich, then throw the burden on small business owners instead of the actual rich - since that would include themselves, after all.
 

Lanolin

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seems nothing much has changed
In Jesus day tax collectors were reviled...but actually some DID repent and paid back what they took!

most big companies are registered in Delaware where they do not pay a single cent in tax.

thing is what do taxes actually pay for. Is the question. Are they geing used for the purpose tax was designed for or are they being squandered. And why should the poor subsidise the rich, when the rich dont pay any (or hide it in offshore accounts)

some churches already tax their parishioners and call it tithing. but the thing is all it does seem the clergy get fat. I dont think thats Gods way.

Gods economy was that the levites who had no land or inheritance would be given tithes from the storehouse from people who DID have land in return for serving the Lord day and night. Otherwise the levites could not eat. That was their basic income. It was ten percent because the levites were just one out of 12 tribes. However I think people abused this system on both sides.
 

JohnDB

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Jeff Bezos is the Example they like to use.
The man draws an $80,000 salary on a yearly basis. He owns literally billions in assets but only pays taxes on the eighty thousand.

How is this possible?
Jeff can borrow 500 million dollars on every Billion dollars of stock...and if some of that money was for a mortgage and property tax it's tax deductible. The 80K is just for the servicing of the debts.

And so they want to just take his assets as taxes. 15% annually.

There are a LOT of what we call "paper millionaires" meaning they are worth millions on paper but have a low income. Usually these are farmers who inherited land and farm equipment inside of trusts. It can be apartments and house rentals too. Meaning that it will cause some people to become "homeless" when they can't afford the taxes on their property.

They will be wiped out by this.

It's not a good idea.

Not to mention what it will do to the average person's retirement portfolio. (15% evaporated annually...more than most mutual funds grow annually)

Getting the picture yet?
 

Smoke

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Capitalism is not a perfect system and forcing Walmart or any other corparation to pay taxes that are just passed on to consumers doesn't help any Mom & Pop stores, if anything it hurts them by removing some of the disposable from people that could be spending at some of those Mom & Pop stores.
My point wasn't necessarily "to help" mom and pop shops, but rather, no one is above another and everyone should pay taxes.

Nevertheless, I don't think you could argue allowing big corporations like Amazon and Exxon to pay nothing in taxes helps mom and pop shops who are paying taxes... Sounds like a crazy theory, especially when stores like Amazon and Walmart are one-stop-shops which obliterates the same mom and pop shops you claim people would be spending their money.
 

ZNP

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My point wasn't necessarily "to help" mom and pop shops, but rather, no one is above another and everyone should pay taxes.

Nevertheless, I don't think you could argue allowing big corporations like Amazon and Exxon to pay nothing in taxes helps mom and pop shops who are paying taxes... Sounds like a crazy theory, especially when stores like Amazon and Walmart are one-stop-shops which obliterates the same mom and pop shops you claim people would be spending their money.
The fairest tax is a sales tax