Pastors, Please Quit Doing This
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Amen! It is the the experience of reading a passage for the 10th time only to have it resonate for the first time in our innermost being. As the Spirit searches the deep things of God they are revealed to us in His timing. Before, we were not ready to hear it and could not receive it. But when He arises in us in His timing, the ground He reveals becomes ours to possess and cultivate. It's how we move from glory to glory in Him.
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From https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/alcohol/types/
Tequila is a type of liquor. The main ingredient of tequila is the Mexican agave plant. The alcohol concentration of tequila is typically about 40% ABV. That makes it 80 proof, & classifies it with wiskey & vodka.
One wonders about the spiritual life of a man who drinks tequila & smokes cigars & has no convictions about it.
Tequila is a type of liquor. The main ingredient of tequila is the Mexican agave plant. The alcohol concentration of tequila is typically about 40% ABV. That makes it 80 proof, & classifies it with wiskey & vodka.
One wonders about the spiritual life of a man who drinks tequila & smokes cigars & has no convictions about it.
Correct. But neither do you. "Church", ecclesia in the Greek, literally means "the called out". It's derived of two words: ek which means "out of" and kaleo which means "to call" When they are combined like in ecclesia they become "the called out".
I wonder, who taught you that a building was a "church"?
Secondarily, I meet with the church quite often; sometimes in each others' homes sometimes in a rented building if a larger space is needed. If we have many international saints joining us we'll meet over Zoom. The Word is preached, the lame are healed, the blind are seeing, demins are being cast out, and Muslims are abandoning Islam and coming into the kingdom of the Living God.
I wonder, who taught you that a building was a "church"?
Secondarily, I meet with the church quite often; sometimes in each others' homes sometimes in a rented building if a larger space is needed. If we have many international saints joining us we'll meet over Zoom. The Word is preached, the lame are healed, the blind are seeing, demins are being cast out, and Muslims are abandoning Islam and coming into the kingdom of the Living God.
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With respect, the use of alcohol (even tequila) is a 'Romans 14' issue, a matter of conscience, not a matter of a clear prohibition. For some people, having even a little alcohol is problematic. For others, drinking in moderation is not. It is certainly possible to make a biblical case that alcohol is potentially problematic or that excessive consumption is proscribed, but not that total abstinence is required or even recommended for all Christians.
Please... let it go.
Please... let it go.
You asked "You don't go to church at all?" This implied one can actually go to what they are.
Right now, anejo tequila with lime juice is my drink of choice... probably once a week. We keep wine but only have that during meals. I'm promoting the culture wherein wine is seen as "food" and not simply alcohol.
You seem hung up on alcohol. Did you have a bad experience with it? Someone close to you an alcoholic?
Right now, anejo tequila with lime juice is my drink of choice... probably once a week. We keep wine but only have that during meals. I'm promoting the culture wherein wine is seen as "food" and not simply alcohol.
You seem hung up on alcohol. Did you have a bad experience with it? Someone close to you an alcoholic?
Don't you just love those "why didn't I see that before?!!" moments? "I've read that passage 100 times"!
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With respect, the use of alcohol (even tequila) is a 'Romans 14' issue, a matter of conscience, not a matter of a clear prohibition. For some people, having even a little alcohol is problematic. For others, drinking in moderation is not. It is certainly possible to make a biblical case that alcohol is potentially problematic or that excessive consumption is proscribed, but not that total abstinence is required or even recommended for all Christians.
Please... let it go.
Please... let it go.
Yikes! I sincerely hope you are wrong about the pastors.
I agree, but I would not discount the big institutional churches completely. They just might serve God's purposes yet.
For instance, you and I could one day infiltrate the bureaucracy within the church system. Once in, we could defy the church leadership and start actually helping people within those four walls.
It will take some James Bond ingenuity, but I think we could get it done.
I agree, but I would not discount the big institutional churches completely. They just might serve God's purposes yet.
For instance, you and I could one day infiltrate the bureaucracy within the church system. Once in, we could defy the church leadership and start actually helping people within those four walls.
It will take some James Bond ingenuity, but I think we could get it done.