Pastors, Please Quit Doing This
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But brother, you don't get it. And maybe it's because you have a blind spot. These "events" are opportunities to bring in the lost. While I don't have the stats on hand, the unsaved are more likely to make their first visit to church to see a play, or a special event, rather than just to hear a sermon. I've seen this personally in ministry. Actually had it happen to my own unsaved family members who came to a concert and gave their heart to Christ. If all you saw is what you stated, I'm wondering why you missed the opportunity to reach the lost completely. That's the old fashioned church you said you'd move to attend. Reaching out into the community to reach the lost. You missed the entire point.
No brother, you missed the point entirely. I could tell you countless stories of people who came to church in
concerts that we did. That is not bragging in the least. Many of these people the church had been praying they
would come and a concert was the perfect reason to bring that unsaved loved one or friend. You are assuming
that everyone in the church building is saved, it simply isn't true. There are many ways to bring a person to
Christ and we ought to use every tool we have.
No brother, they were congregants of the church, who, like you missed the opportunity to bring in the lost to be fed in both body and soul. You have a blind spot that says no ministry can happen within a church. And I'm telling you you're wrong. I've been in ministry many years, I've been in all denominations, I've been in hundreds perhaps thousands of churches. I've done street ministry, I've done outdoor concerts. Every single tool we can use to bring in the harvest, we should. And if you have the heart of ministry that you seem to, then you should agree with me.
I'm not sure how it works from there. I think maybe the Holy Spirit just shocks them into submission after that.
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I think you're introducing a strawman argument the doesn't work well here.
However, I will attempt to take you back to my original thought.
Our church leaders may think they're "calling out men" but instead, they are adding fuel to the 50 percent divorce rate among Christians. They do that by berating men in front of their wives. And since Satan is behind every divorce, he's relishing in the destruction of our families.
In the next six months, I challenge ALL pastors, no matter how "effective" they think their ministry is, to stop preaching and show the rest of us how to make two disciples. Then, those two will make four. And those four will make eight, and so on.
Before long, those horrible men sitting on their couches watching football will get activated. Then, watch the Gospel spread like wildfire throughout every nation, just like Jesus envisioned.
However, I will attempt to take you back to my original thought.
Our church leaders may think they're "calling out men" but instead, they are adding fuel to the 50 percent divorce rate among Christians. They do that by berating men in front of their wives. And since Satan is behind every divorce, he's relishing in the destruction of our families.
In the next six months, I challenge ALL pastors, no matter how "effective" they think their ministry is, to stop preaching and show the rest of us how to make two disciples. Then, those two will make four. And those four will make eight, and so on.
Before long, those horrible men sitting on their couches watching football will get activated. Then, watch the Gospel spread like wildfire throughout every nation, just like Jesus envisioned.
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All I am asking is to do it in private. Unfortunately, today's pastors are so inaccessible that it can't possibly happen. So, they are making blanket statements about certain demographic groups, and they are losing their credibility as a result.
And yes, I am fully aware that these are ordained ministers appointed by God. That's why I am so desperate to see it change.
And yes, I am fully aware that these are ordained ministers appointed by God. That's why I am so desperate to see it change.
I don't know that the gospel will spread like wild fire. I think the Western world is too far gone for that. But yes, way too little teaching and preaching (if there is any at all these days) focuses on what God has done for us in Christ. Just addressing behaviour is no better than the legalists in Jesus' time. They created a burden but did nothing to help them to carry it. And if you look behind the scenes, a lot of pastors are no better husbands than the men they criticise.
