A Double Standard in Christianity?

[Dino246]

I will concede the point, since it is very peripheral as an issue of doctrine.

I appreciate that you concede the point, but I disagree on it being an issue of doctrine, as there isn't a word about it in Scripture.

 

[Dino246]

You said somewhere else that if I really cared I wouldn't insult you. Practice what you preach.

Read my post again, carefully. What did I call "silly"?

 

[justbyfaith]

I appreciate that you concede the point, but I disagree on it being an issue of doctrine, as there isn't a word about it in Scripture.

It can be inferred if you read between the lines.

 

[justbyfaith]

Read my post again, carefully. What did I call "silly"?

Who did I call "inferior"?

 

[Dino246]

It can be inferred if you read between the lines.

One does not make sound doctrine by "inferring" and "reading between the lines". One does, however, engage in eisegesis that way.

 

[Dino246]

Who did I call "inferior"?

God Himself. Might want to be more careful.

 

[Blik]

If this is a reference to Christians it is totally false. We are human but not in bondage to "the flesh" (the sin nature). Because every believer receives the gift of the Holy Spirit and is indwelt by the Spirit, "sin SHALL NOT have dominion over you".

Getting back to the title of this thread, the only double-standard is in the minds of those that are carnal. God has given women a very high calling to be the best wives and mothers they can possibly be. The Proverbs 30 woman exemplifies this. The positive influence of godly mothers and wives cannot be over-emphasized.

But God has called men to be the spiritual leaders in the home and in the church. And God has forbidden women to (1) preach in the assembly (2) teach in the assembly, and (3) usurp authority within the assembly. And this is because of Eve.

However, because this order has been perverted, we are now seeing all kinds of issues. The husband is indeed the head of the wife, just as Christ is the Head of the Church (see Ephesians 5). And as a result, women are to cover their heads during worship, with the head covering as a symbol of the authority of both Christ and her husband (see 1 Corinthians 11).

"Totally wrong"!!! You are a Christian?

We agree, actually. I say we live in the kingdom Christ proclaimed as our home, not the world as our home. You say we are not totally bound. We are both searching for the truth, and God is truth.

 

[Hakawaka]

That's unadulterated sexism. SOME men are better at leadership than other people. SOME WOMEN are better at leadership than other people. Many female leaders are better at leadership than many male leaders.

Praise God you are single. You will have a woman running your life. Anyone who uses the word sexism or inequality deserves no respect whatsoever.

 

[Adstar]

Aren't we all one in Christ Jesus(Galatians 3:28)?
Aren't we all to be kings & priests(or a kingdom of priests) unto God(Revelation 5:10)?
Didn't Acts 2 plainly state that on sons & daughters, servants & handmaidens the Holy Spirit would be poured out on them, and they would prophesy(speak for God)?
Aren't we all the sons of God(Romans 8:14, 9:26, 1Jn 3:1)?
Aren't we all right now joint heirs in Christ with equal privileges with God(Romans 8:17, 1 Peter 3:7)?
Does God discriminate? How many scriptures say that God is no respector of persons?

If women are be able to do these things listed according to scripture, why then is it so hard to accept that women can minister with the same Spirit in all things just as the men?
I don't believe for one moment that God called women into a limited second-class ministry.

Easy because the Bible states that woman should not minister.. And why do you assume ministry is a first class calling??? Of all the gifts ministry is probably the lowest in ranking.. Prophecy is the first and then the other gifts healing, tongues, discernment of spirits and the rest.. Even a street preacher is of vastly higher importance then a pastor of a congregation..

 

[justbyfaith]

God Himself. Might want to be more careful.

No, I said that the god that you appear to believe in is not sovereign and Omnipotent and loving; and is therefore inferior to my God; who is the living and true God.

 

[JohnDB]

SOME men are hardwired to lead, and that says nothing about their ability to lead well. Some women are hardwired to lead as well. Neither is inherently "better" at it than the other.

I will grant that a greater percentage of men than women aspire to leadership. However, that's not what you said.


That's unadulterated sexism. SOME men are better at leadership than other people. SOME WOMEN are better at leadership than other people. Many female leaders are better at leadership than many male leaders.


That is simply not true. There is no hint in Scripture that Deborah was a judge because of a dearth of available and capable men. There is no hint in Scripture that Prisca was a teacher because of a dearth of available and capable men. There is no hint in Scripture that Huldah was a prophet because of a dearth of available and capable men. There is no hint in Scripture that Chloe was a deacon because of a dearth of available and capable men.

I challenge you to provide even one example to support your claim.

Sadly, all you have done is repeat the unscriptural arguments of closed-minded complementarians. I would encourage you to take another look at the relevant Scripture with unbiased eyes.

Sucks to be you...

The truth is in the scriptures...but eisogesis isn't going to work with Old Testament scriptures. Only exogesis.

Women's empowerment is trite at this point...

Men and women are equal in a lot of ways...this isn't one of them. This isn't about bossing women about as chattel. Far from it. And since your emotions are showing you are proving my point for me.

 

[Edify]

God loves us all.
It is clear that God created males and females differently, Physically and emotionally we are different, We are all loved the same, but we need to accept that there are differences. God chooses the role God gives the gifts, God owns all. Acceptance is the key. If you let this issue eat you away it can be dangerous. Blessed are the meek. Women have done things that men have failed at and women are used by God to do many great and wonderful things. Focus on letting God use you.

I agree, they were made differently. But I also believe this as well:
Gal 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
In the Kingdom, we're equals. The only real difference is that a man is the spiritual leader in the household. This is where it says woman shouldn't usurp authority over a man, because in the marriage God gave the spiritual authority to the man.
The only thing hindering women in ministry is all these "spiritual" people wearing their doctrinal rose colored glasses.
You're right about the rest; we should only focus on God & let Him use us instead of listening to men.
Thanks for the encouraging word.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Praise God you are single. You will have a woman running your life.

Sounds like a prophecy. The poor guy is single but somewhere along the way he will meet a woman who will run ("ruin") his life.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The only thing hindering women in ministry is all these "spiritual" people wearing their doctrinal rose colored glasses.

So you wish to defy God and put women in "ministry" (preaching, teaching, ruling over the church)?. How does that jibe with your name "Edify"? If should simply be "Defy".

 

[Edify]

So, is your philosophy "If at first you don't succeed, charge them with rebellion & purposely mock them" ? You're supposed to be my brother. I would never try to do that to you. I wouldn't do that if I thought you were a sinner.
It's just not the Lord's way of doing things. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God".

 

[rayzor]

So you wish to defy God and put women in "ministry" (preaching, teaching, ruling over the church)?. How does that jibe with your name "Edify"? If should simply be "Defy".

I know the book says that but it is wrong! and right,,,,We are no longer man nor woman jew or Gentile old or young,,,but all are one,,,,,beside i feel a touch of pride in your statement.,,,,further Adam did worse then eve even accusing god for giving him the woman!,,,,,,Again i know i'm going against a scripture must people do,,,but under, guise & rationalization.

 

[peldom10]

Aren't we all one in Christ Jesus(Galatians 3:28)?
Aren't we all to be kings & priests(or a kingdom of priests) unto God(Revelation 5:10)?
Didn't Acts 2 plainly state that on sons & daughters, servants & handmaidens the Holy Spirit would be poured out on them, and they would prophesy(speak for God)?
Aren't we all the sons of God(Romans 8:14, 9:26, 1Jn 3:1)?
Aren't we all right now joint heirs in Christ with equal privileges with God(Romans 8:17, 1 Peter 3:7)?
Does God discriminate? How many scriptures say that God is no respector of persons?

If women are be able to do these things listed according to scripture, why then is it so hard to accept that women can minister with the same Spirit in all things just as the men?
I don't believe for one moment that God called women into a limited second-class ministry.

You are attempting the rewrite of God's word. See Rev. 22; 18,19....Deut. 4;2 and 12; 32

This is typical of the new age religion concept of...if you don't like it re-write it, publish a new bible and ...tickle ears and tell them what they want to hear.
A prominent end time prophecy.

 

[Dino246]

Easy because the Bible states that woman should not minister..

No, it doesn't. Not anywhere.

 

[Dino246]

Sucks to be you...

The truth is in the scriptures...but eisogesis isn't going to work with Old Testament scriptures. Only exogesis.

Women's empowerment is trite at this point...

Men and women are equal in a lot of ways...this isn't one of them. This isn't about bossing women about as chattel. Far from it. And since your emotions are showing you are proving my point for me.

I see you haven't supported your assertions with evidence, but instead have chosen to throw shade. That's pitiable.

 

[rayzor]

As with all things the man our woman should be fully convinced in their own mind with regrade to their role with god.For any woman make sure its not because of pride.