What does God want to us from controlling our mind?

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oem7110

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Referring to following video, Adam told Eve that God has told us to not eat the fruit from Tree of Knowledge.
Adam said, if we eat that fruit, we will die.
Finally, Adam and Eve eat the fruit from Tree of Knowledge


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Referring to following video, there is a challenge for Kids within brain.

Dad (God) told kid not to eat candy and wait
Kid understands in mind not to eat, but nerve system from Body (Devil) keeps giving positive feedback to eat.

The first kid does not eat (No Sins), who listen to Dad's word instead of Body's feeling, but
second one eat (Sins), who listen to Body's feeling instead of Dad's word.
What make both Kids behave differently on controlling mindset?

What does God want to us from controlling our mind?


Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
 
Dino246

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"What does God want to us from controlling our mind?"

That's not a complete sentence; please rephrase.
 
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oem7110

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I find no edit feature on this post.

Do you have any suggestions on how to edit title?
Thank you very much for any suggestions (^v^)
 
Dino246

Dino246

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oem7110 said:
I find no edit feature on this post.

Do you have any suggestions on how to edit title?
Thank you very much for any suggestions (^v^)
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Once the title is submitted, you can't edit it. What I'm asking is for you to rephrase the words from the title so that I (and others) know what you're asking.
 
BonnieClaire

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oem7110 said:
Referring to following video, Adam told Eve that God has told us to not eat the fruit from Tree of Knowledge.
Adam said, if we eat that fruit, we will die.
Finally, Adam and Eve eat the fruit from Tree of Knowledge


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Referring to following video, there is a challenge for Kids within brain.

Dad (God) told kid not to eat candy and wait
Kid understands in mind not to eat, but nerve system from Body (Devil) keeps giving positive feedback to eat.

The first kid does not eat (No Sins), who listen to Dad's word instead of Body's feeling, but
second one eat (Sins), who listen to Body's feeling instead of Dad's word.
What make both Kids behave differently on controlling mindset?

What does God want to us from controlling our mind?


Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
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I can't resist the temptation any longer...I'm headed straight to the store for some m&m's! :devilish:
 
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oem7110

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Dino246 said:
"What does God want to us from controlling our mind?"

That's not a complete sentence; please rephrase.
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What does God want us from controlling our mind?
1) Follow the rules (God), just like a robot and not listen to the body (Feeling), which give positive feedback to eat based on body's nerve system response
2) Listen to Body (Feeling), which give positive feedback to eat based on body's nerve system response, and not follow the given rules (God)

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)
 
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oem7110

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BonnieClaire said:
I can't resist the temptation any longer...I'm headed straight to the store for some m&m's! :devilish:
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That is an example for making decision based on Body (Feeling),
1) see color of m&m
2) touch m&m feeling
3) smell m&m
4) taste m&m

But Dad (God) said "Don't eat until I am back",
I don't eat M&M until Dad (God) is back
I eat M&M now and not follow God's rule

How do God want us to follow rule? just like a robot?

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Dino246

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oem7110 said:
What does God want us from controlling our mind?
1) Follow the rules (God), just like a robot and not listen to the body (Feeling), which give positive feedback to eat based on body's nerve system response
2) Listen to Body (Feeling), which give positive feedback to eat based on body's nerve system response, and not follow the given rules (God)

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)
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Let's rephrase your statements with biblical truth:

1. Listen to God (loving instructions from the wise Creator) and not listen to the body (fickle and uncertain feelings) which gives uncertain feedback based on the body's nerve system response.
2. Listen to the fallen human nature (body) which gives feedback to a fallen human brain, and not follow the wise instructions from a loving Creator.

The instructions and restrictions that God gives are for our good, not for our destruction. He knows very well that our world and our very nature is fallen and broken by sin. We live in a world that is dangerous with disease, accidents, natural disasters, and all the garbage that evil and misguided fellow humans (including us) perpetrate. He came in the Person of Jesus Christ to teach us, to demonstrate for us, and to open the way to the Father for us by paying the rightful penalty for our sin. He came that we might have life abundantly. He rose again from the dead that we might have hope for resurrection even though we still face death.

So... do you still want to talk about God controlling our minds?
 
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oem7110

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What do God want us to do? when God gives us the freedom of choice.

Follow Dad's (God's) rule, just like a robot : Don't eat M&M until Dad (God) is back
Make decision based on Body's experience : Eat M&M now and not follow God's rule

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)
 
Magenta

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oem7110 said:
Referring to following video, Adam told Eve that God has told us to not eat the fruit from Tree of Knowledge.
Adam said, if we eat that fruit, we will die.
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Both assumptions, since the Bible does not say how Eve came to her knowledge concerning the trees.

It seems likely Adam told her, yes, but it is also possible that God informed her directly.

Either way, in Eve's exchanges with the serpent, she added to what God had told Adam,
for she said that they were not to eat from them or to touch them. This type of addition
is known as putting a hedge around something, and became fairly common in Israeli
society to the point where not doing any work on the Sabbath meant you could not
even carry so much as a pin in your pocket, as that came to be considered work.
 
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oem7110

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Dino246 said:
Let's rephrase your statements with biblical truth:

1. Listen to God (loving instructions from the wise Creator) and not listen to the body (fickle and uncertain feelings) which gives uncertain feedback based on the body's nerve system response.
2. Listen to the fallen human nature (body) which gives feedback to a fallen human brain, and not follow the wise instructions from a loving Creator.
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For 1, God wants us to follow instruction without understanding from our experience
For 2, Let us understanding instruction based on experience instead of blindly follow instruction

That is the question.

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)
 
Dino246

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oem7110 said:
For 1, God wants us to follow instruction without understanding from our experience
For 2, Let us understanding instruction based on experience instead of blindly follow instruction

That is the question.

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)
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God does not require that you follow blindly. He invites your trust, and is willing to demonstrate His trustworthiness repeatedly. He already demonstrated it sufficiently in the death of Jesus Christ.

If you still think that Christianity is all about following rules, something in your understanding of it is missing.
 
Blik

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Scripture is what man has written down in their own words what God has given them to understand. If we know what those words meant to them in their culture, we can better understand scripture.

The men who wrote God breathed understanding thought the word "heart" meant both what we think of as heart knowledge and also it was the seat of intellect to them. They ignored the brain until centuries after Christ.

Often we repeat to ourselves conclusions that are false that we came to as immature children. These become part of our unconscious mind and the adult accepts them as true. What we think brings on our moods, so it is the thoughts we allow in our mind that brings on tension or depression. Make yourself aware of the sort of running tape of thoughts that are with you every hour you are awake.

We are not at the mercy of our thoughts. God knew this and counsels us about it. We are told that God can make any situation we are in be for our good. We are told what things to let in our mind in Phil. 4:8. We are told to follow Christ, and when we are forgiven and saved to let God be within. When our thoughts revolve around our hurts and what we "should have said" we are not obeying the Lord, and we are damaging ourselves.
 
Blik

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Dino246 said:
If you still think that Christianity is all about following rules, something in your understanding of it is missing.
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When God changed the rules in stone into rules given into our hearts, God added to the rules but did not take away.

Matt. 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

When the Pharisee obeyed the rule of the Sabbath by refusing help to the stranger, the Pharisee broke the spirit of the law, but that did not change the law in itself.
 
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oem7110

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Dino246 said:
God does not require that you follow blindly. He invites your trust, and is willing to demonstrate His trustworthiness repeatedly. He already demonstrated it sufficiently in the death of Jesus Christ.

If you still think that Christianity is all about following rules, something in your understanding of it is missing.
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We cannot see the consequence on what we do now after death, so there is no way for us to understand on what we are doing now from God's viewpoint.

"He invites your trust, and is willing to demonstrate His trustworthiness repeatedly. He already demonstrated it sufficiently in the death of Jesus Christ."

"Demonstrate His trustworthiness" come from human telling us (media and document), not from God directly, since we cannot connect directly to God spiritually.

"He knows very well that our world and our very nature is fallen and broken by sin. We live in a world that is dangerous with disease, accidents, natural disasters, and all the garbage that evil and misguided fellow humans (including us) perpetrate."

We understand that our world is fallen and broken by sin, so "Demonstrate His trustworthiness" come from human (fallen and broken by sin), media and documents can be misleading, that make building trust difficult between God and human, if God can spiritually talk to us, just like Adam in garden, then it makes communication much better on building trust with God.

What do you think?

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)
 
Nehemiah6

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oem7110 said:
Do you have any suggestions on how to edit title?
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Unfortunately you cannot go back and fix the title. You get only five minutes at the start and that's it. So you might wish to contact a mod.

I too was unable to make heads nor tails of the title. You probably meant that God wants Christians to control their thoughts and direct them to things of which He approves.
 
Nehemiah6

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Blik said:
Scripture is what man has written down in their own words what God has given them to understand. If we know what those words meant to them in their culture, we can better understand scripture.
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This is making things more complicated than they are. What God said to Moses is as clear today as it was 3,500 years ago. Culture has nothing to do with this. Spiritual discernment is all that is needed.
 
BonnieClaire

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oem7110 said:
That is an example for making decision based on Body (Feeling),

How do God want us to follow rule? just like a robot?
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God wants us to follow his Son.
Man sins in thought, word, and deed, and Adam and Eve sinned before
they even touched the tree, just by thinking about eating from it.
 
Dino246

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oem7110 said:
We cannot see the consequence on what we do now after death, so there is no way for us to understand on what we are doing now from God's viewpoint.
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If I have understood you correctly, I can say you're "dead wrong" on that.

oem7110 said:
"He invites your trust, and is willing to demonstrate His trustworthiness repeatedly. He already demonstrated it sufficiently in the death of Jesus Christ."

"Demonstrate His trustworthiness" come from human telling us (media and document), not from God directly, since we cannot connect directly to God spiritually.
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Yes, we can. That's the point: we CAN know God directly, personally, and intimately, BECAUSE Christ opened the way for us. However, we can ONLY know God through Jesus Christ. We can learn much ABOUT Him through the Bible.
 
Blik

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Nehemiah6 said:
This is making things more complicated than they are. What God said to Moses is as clear today as it was 3,500 years ago. Culture has nothing to do with this. Spiritual discernment is all that is needed.
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What in the world are you talking about? Are you saying it is too complicated to keep our mind on what is good as we are told to do in Phil. 4:8?
 
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