The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

[Absolutely]

PSSSSST = Stop twisting Scripture to support a falsehood

Christ is the Firstfruits of those who are His that sleep in the dust = whom He will raise from the Dead at HIS COMING.

No rapture until the RESURRECTION at HIS COMING.

PSSSST = TRUTH and not error

i guess getting you to acknowledge firstfruits is pre harvest and main harvest follows is futile

Your deal is so busted sir.
Simple truth is knocked off the table with much enthusiasm

Wow

 

[Absolutely]

If you look around the "falling away" is going on now around you!

Always has been.

No point at at all

 

[Evmur]

You have to think Scripture and the words of Christ that overrides the mere knowledge of man.

34Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work. 35Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! 36And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together. 37For in this the saying is true: ‘One sows and another reaps.’ 38I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored, and you have entered into their labors.”

Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”
And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. - Acts 1:6-7

There will be no Resurrection until HIS COMING = 1 Thess 1:10 , 4:13-18 , Acts 1:9-11 , Matt 24: 29-31 , James 5:7-11

pre-trib is a false gospel - salvation through escaping tribulation - which Christ and the Apostle categorically rebuked.

pre-trib leads you to believe that there are multiple resurrections(pre-harvest) - apart from the First Resurrection in Revelation 20

pre-trib desperately attempts to establish multiple raptures, called harvests, in order to establish a pre-trib rapture in Revelation before chapter 20.

pre-trib overrides 1 Thess ch4 where the Resurrection occurs at His Coming by falsely claiming more then One Return

pre-trib changes 2 Thess ch2 to say that the "falling away" is the "departure = rapture".
The Holy Spirit rebukes this lie as the Apostle Paul stated twice that the "falling away" is a departure from truth.
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, - 1 Timothy 4:1
The Holy Spirit rebukes this lie a third time by speaking thru the Apostle John in 1 John 2:18-19

pre-trib falsely claims there is another gospel preached to "tribulation saints who are Left Behind"

Christ said He will not leave behind His Saints/His Elect/His Body - He is Coming = only One Second Coming

But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.

Good

If they said Pre Wrath Rapture our hearts would be knitted together.

 

[DavidTree]

Lol

You omitted " before the flood"
You omitted noah was gathered before the flood.

You omitted that noah was carried over a mile into the sky.

You omitted that noah RETURNED FROM THE HEAVENS POSTRIB

you took all that away for a reason?
Or did you not know what the facts are?
Could be your teachers are messed up?

Yes they actually changed Gods word.

Fact.

You keep falling for the magicians trick of turning the word 'Tribulation' into 'Wrath'.

Time to grow UP into the Image of God by not falling for this trick through twist and turn for all who burn.

Noah faced the greatest tribulation of that time - But God is Faithful and watched "patiently" over Noah until he was in the Ark and then God shut the Door and poured out His Wrath.

Pre-wrath is TRUTH out of the Mouth of God.
pre-trib comes from the mouth of the Serpent.

The same will hold true at the Lord's Coming = Matthew 25:1-13

 

[Absolutely]

Yes
Acts 1 as well as others vivdly portrays pretrib rapture as solid bible

 

[walknlight]

Hello!

You have to think Scripture and the words of Christ that overrides the mere knowledge of man.

Clearly obvious you did not watch the vid....

 

[DavidTree]

Always has been.

No point at at all

Again, another falsehood = "no point at all"

"Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God"

Now the Spirit [a]expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, - 1 Timothy 4:1

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1 John 2:18-19

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition 2 Thess 2

And then shall many fall away, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. - Matthew 24:10

 

[walknlight]

Noah faced the greatest tribulation of that time

What great tribulation did Noah endure?

 

[Absolutely]

Lot did not have peace from his neighbours, he had tribulation, nor can the extent of that tribulation be minimised in those last desperate days before S & G were overthrown.

I am thinking Noah got a bit of stick too while he was building that ark ... warning folks of what was coming.

No
Both examples were from Jesus as deliverance BEFORE judgement.

Both are life as normal biyimg selling marrying and giving in marriage.

The contrast is unmistakeable

Pretrib rapture big time

 

[DavidTree]

Hello!

Clearly obvious you did not watch the vid....

Why should i??? i have better then a video = i have the unadulterated Word of God = you need to find this Version and believe it.

PS - You cannot buy this Version of the Bible nor find it at a store or online.

 

[Absolutely]

Again, another falsehood = "no point at all"

"Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God"

Now the Spirit [a]expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, - 1 Timothy 4:1

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1 John 2:18-19

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition 2 Thess 2

And then shall many fall away, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. - Matthew 24:10

What point are you making?

 

[DavidTree]

What great tribulation did Noah endure?

Study and find out.

Here is a clue = the tribulation that satan caused was so great that God had to wipe the entire Earth clean by bringing down upon them the Great Flood of His Wrath.

 

[DavidTree]

What point are you making?

Good Morning my Brother who i Christ loves - i have to go to work now - say a prayer a safety for me as my work is very dangerous

 

[Absolutely]

Why should i??? i have better then a video = i have the unadulterated Word of God = you need to find this Version and believe it.

PS - You cannot buy this Version of the Bible nor find it at a store or online.

i can help.

He pointed out act 1.
Which rips postrib rapture all by itself.

You know.

One of many omissions of postrib rapture.

But lo, we are here to help you with the entire word.

Not a postrib rapture debunked workbook that only works with our verses omitted

Nothing is new

 

[Evmur]

No
Both examples were from Jesus as deliverance BEFORE judgement.

Both are life as normal biyimg selling marrying and giving in marriage.

The contrast is unmistakeable

Pretrib rapture big time

... nah "they" were buying and selling marrying and giving in marriage until the floods came and took "them" all away.

Lot and his family had grief, all the males of S & G wanted a piece of them.

 

[Absolutely]

Study and find out.

Here is a clue = the tribulation that satan caused was so great that God had to wipe the entire Earth clean by bringing down upon them the Great Flood of His Wrath.

No

The flood had normal life pre flood.
Just full of sin like today.

But here is a bonus you dont know about.
The flood cleansed the gene pool of nephalim.

 

[walknlight]

Hi Again!!

Why should i??? i have better then a video = i have the unadulterated Word of God

so does the saint in the vid/ no private interpretation..

= you need to find this Version and believe it.

You mean your version ?

PS - You cannot buy this Version of the Bible nor find it at a store or online.

No thanks im cool on private interpretations.....thanks....
How many people have you disowned because they beleive Harpazo?

God Bless!

 

[DavidTree]

No

The flood had normal life pre flood.
Just full of sin like today.

But here is a bonus you dont know about.
The flood cleansed the gene pool of nephalim.

hahahahahha - funny = God destroyed all souls, on the entire Earth, because life was normal = great deception my friend.

 

[DavidTree]

Hi Again!!

so does the saint in the vid/ no private interpretation..

You mean your version ?

No thanks im cool on private interpretations.....thanks....
How many people have you disowned because they beleive Harpazo?

God Bless!

Good Morning my Sisters and Brothers who Christ and i loves - i have to go to work now - say a prayer a safety for me as my work is very dangerous.

Ask Brother Evmur

 

[Absolutely]

... nah "they" were buying and selling marrying and giving in marriage until the floods came and took "them" all away.

Lot and his family had grief, all the males of S & G wanted a piece of them.

As is the case today.
Boys parading as girls to get access to bathrooms and dressing rooms.


I guess you are not aware the 4 horsemen kick off the gt.

We are not in the gt.

Nor was any judgement going on before lot and noah.
There was buying, selling, marying, etc.

No gt till noah and lot gathered