Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?

[SophieT]

I believe, based on holy scripture that I have quoted elsewhere, that the Lord can complete the work of sanctification while we are still on the earth.

great

now I understand why you tossed out I Corinthians 6:11

sinless perfection much?

 

[SophieT]

To me, this verse is speaking of instant sanctification from the sins that are spoken of in verses 9-10. Because those sins are things by which you would not inherit the kingdom of God; so if you were not instantly sanctified, you would not be saved as you would be continuing in sins that are condemning to your soul.

If it does not speak the same to you then I will pray for the Holy Ghost to illuminate your mind so that you will be able to see this truth in the scripture in question.

I would also suggest that you look up the other verses that I referenced in the next post.

would it be of any use to quote the actual meanings of words or do you prefer to continue on with your own interpretations?

what speaks to me, is what scripture actually states...we renew our minds when we agree with what the word states

we do not renew scripture with what we state and sanctification is a process while you are still alive and kicking on Terra

it seems you are living in the make believe land of sinless perfectionism.

yeah. the Holy Spirit is not going to teach me what you believe.

 

[justbyfaith]

Sanctification is complete on the day of glorification or death which ever comes first for the Saint. Sanctification is a life long work done by the Spirit within the believer.

Also, such doctrine might be used as an excuse to not heed the voice of the Holy Spirit when He wants to sanctify you in a certain area of your life;

Since if that area of your life is the only thing left in you that is a sin, for you to surrender that to the Lord would mean entire sanctification...but if you believe that this is not possible, then you will not even believe in the ability of the Lord to deal with that sin and to cleanse it from your life (however, see 1 John 1:7,9).

 

[justbyfaith]

great

now I understand why you tossed out I Corinthians 6:11

sinless perfection much?

No, not sinless (1 John 1:8).

Perfection though, yes (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)).

 

[Nehemiah6]

see post 10

In that case your title should be changed, since no one teaches this:
Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?

 

[justbyfaith]

would it be of any use to quote the actual meanings of words or do you prefer to continue on with your own interpretations?

what speaks to me, is what scripture actually states...we renew our minds when we agree with what the word states

we do not renew scripture with what we state and sanctification is a process while you are still alive and kicking on Terra

it seems you are living in the make believe land of sinless perfectionism.

yeah. the Holy Spirit is not going to teach me what you believe.

"sinless perfection"" is a misnomer that is often applied to the doctrine of entire sanctification as a straw man that is easily toppled by 1 John 1:8.

However, the doctrine of entire sanctification, does not claim that sin is eradicated, so that we might be without sin; rather, it states that the element of sin can be rendered dead within us (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

Thus, there is no contradiction between 1 John 1:8 and a literal interpretation of 1 John 3:5-9.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I believe, based on holy scripture that I have quoted elsewhere, that the Lord can complete the work of sanctification while we are still on the earth.

Then there would be no need for the Resurrection/Rapture in which the saints are perfected and glorified.

 

[SophieT]

No, not sinless (1 John 1:8).

Perfection though, yes (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)).

I hope you do not drive a standard. you will strip the gears trying to go in 2 directions at once...reverse and forward

listen..I really was waiting for seedtime to get back to me as I am sure he will

in the meantime, I am starting to get sarcastic, so best I leave the conversation.

you are not going to drum your rather difficult understanding into me through prayer or repetition, so perhaps pursue another

 

[justbyfaith]

That entire sanctification is possible in this life is clear to me when I read 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv), Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), 1 John 3:9 (kjv); 1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17; 1 John 3:7, 1 John 3:3, 1 John 2:6; Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, and 1 John 2:10.

 

[justbyfaith]

Then there would be no need for the Resurrection/Rapture in which the saints are perfected and glorified.

Some people do not attain to entire sanctification in this life; which does not exclude them from the salvation of the Lord.

Being sanctified wholly is a "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15).

 

[justbyfaith]

I hope you do not drive a standard. you will strip the gears trying to go in 2 directions at once...reverse and forward

listen..I really was waiting for seedtime to get back to me as I am sure he will

in the meantime, I am starting to get sarcastic, so best I leave the conversation.

you are not going to drum your rather difficult understanding into me through prayer or repetition, so perhaps pursue another

Eph 3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph 3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

 

[SophieT]

Some people do not attain to entire sanctification in this life

and some people's feeties do not touch the ground when they walk

I'm done

 

[justbyfaith]

"sinless perfection"" is a misnomer that is often applied to the doctrine of entire sanctification as a straw man that is easily toppled by 1 John 1:8.

However, the doctrine of entire sanctification, does not claim that sin is eradicated, so that we might be without sin; rather, it states that the element of sin can be rendered dead within us (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:14).

Thus, there is no contradiction between 1 John 1:8 and a literal interpretation of 1 John 3:5-9.

Z Z Z?

I pray that the Holy Spirit will convict you for your indifference to the truth of what I am proclaiming to you.

 

[justbyfaith]

you are not going to drum your rather difficult understanding into me through prayer or repetition, so perhaps pursue another

Maybe even through prayer...

2Co 10:3, For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4, (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
2Co 10:5, Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 

[seed_time_harvest]

kindly point that out from scripture if you want to make that point

as we have examples from the physical realm as examples pertaining to the spiritual, you should just connect the dots

in other words, why is the character we are supposed to be attaining called fruit? why not instant pudding? (haha funny)

remember Jesus cursing the fig tree? no more fruit. please connect the dots and thank you, but waiting for that scripture that indicates we are suddenly endowed with the nature of Christ and never sin again

I gave you scripture that said that.It stated what the fruit of the Spirit Is and you are saying that It's not true.If you are going to try to get me to prove scripture I don't know If that's something I can do for a Christian seeing how our foundation IS based on faith.

 

[justbyfaith]

and some people's feeties do not touch the ground when they walk

I'm done

You assume that I am not preaching that entire sanctification comes through faith in the blood of Jesus, as does justification.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

In Romans 7:14-25, Paul is using the literary tactic of IDENTIFICATION to define carnality in order that he might win the carnal person (see 1 Corinthians 9:22).

If Paul himself is carnal in the writing of this, then he is not penning holy scripture (for it is written, in 2 Peter 1:20-21, that scripture was produced as holy men of God spake by the Holy Ghost; and if Paul was carnal, then he was not holy).

I conclude that he is in Romans 7:14-25 becoming as weak in order to gain the weak.

All writers were carnal. The Bible is the inspired Word of God as in the Spirit moved in imperfect people for example, King David and his affair then murder.

Paul was writing to the Roman churches so his letter was not to the carnal even though it may speak to the carnal.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I believe, based on holy scripture that I have quoted elsewhere, that the Lord can complete the work of sanctification while we are still on the earth.

Well I have yet to see such sinless perfection in anyone's life but Jesus.

All scripture must harmonize and I do not see sinless perfection being on part of man's works. I see it being paid and freed from. But not totally eradicated from the flesh.

 

[Icedaisey]

Do we need to repent more than once to stay saved?

No. Once Sealed Always Sealed. It's called, Eternal Salvation, not conditional pardon.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Galatians 5:21-23
King James Version

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Romans 5:3-5
King James Version

3 And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.