One Eternal God in Three Persons- Look and SEE

[DavidTree]

Your question strikes me as a bit elementary - as if you were asking a Sunday school class this question. Yes, Jesus Christ came to bring Good News to sinners. These sinners were made up from all walks of life. However, this is a superficial understanding of Christ's real purpose. One must go much deeper to see the truth of the Gospel accounts. IN the same way, one must go deeper to see the truth of the Triunity of God.

Jesus Christ came to say the Words and to do the Work that the Father gave Him to do.

John 6:38 For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 17:7, 8 Now they know that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are from thee: for the words which thou gavest me I have given unto them; and they received them, and knew of a truth that I came forth from thee, and they believed that thou didst send me.
John 19:28 After this Jesus, knowing that all things are now finished, that the scripture might be accomplished, saith, I thirst.

Having established that, we need to ask some very important questions. These questions center around: Why did Christ go where He went and meet with whom He met and heal whom He did? Obviously, to answer these questions fully would be impossible on this chat forum. One would have to write a book on the subject, however, we can look at a few examples.

1) Why did Christ have to be at the well to meet with the Samaritan woman? John 4:4, tells us that Jesus must pass through Samaria. Why? Obviously, He had a particular message for this woman. A Samarian woman who gave evidence of being one of His own. This encounter is rather shocking, when one understands the disdain the Jews had for the half-breed Samaritans. The products of Jewish and Gentile parents. (John 4:9) It is also rather shocking, when one realizes Jesus forbade His disciples from going into Samaria with the Gospel message. (Mat.10:5) It should also be noted, that Christ had this meeting in secret, while the disciples were away.

2) When Jesus Christ taught in the Synagogue, recorded in Luke chapter 4 - Jesus was nearly put to death. Why? Let's look at this text:

Luke 4:25-28 But of a truth I say unto you, There were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when there came a great famine over all the land; and unto none of them was Elijah sent, but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian. And they were all filled with wrath in the synagogue, as they heard these things;

What was going on here? Why did Christ pick these particular accounts to discuss? The answer is this. Both times, Christ magnifies the Lord's Grace, not as to a group of people but to an individual. He was beginning to show the error of the religious Jews. They believed they had Salvation because they were related to Abraham. Jesus was beginning to show them that blood does not save, rather it is God's Grace bestowed upon the Elect. Further irritating the Jewish listeners, was the fact He picked two accounts that did not involve Jews. Zarephath was a Samaritan/Gentile and Naaman was a Syrian. He in this way, was demonstrating that mercy and compassion is the Sovereign act of God, upon whom He pleases to bestow it.

3) The above lesson, was taught by Jesus Christ, over and over in His ministry. Perhaps best summed up in these verses:

Mat 3:9 and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham as our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

John 6:36-40 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not. All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all that which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Note in the last two verses - All that the Father gives to the Son, is equal to the ones believing on Him. It cannot be those the Father gives, plus those who believe. These makeup the spiritual seed of Abraham. A point that the religious Jews had perverted and most of Christendom still does to this day.

Therefore, every single person our Lord loved, blessed and healed, demonstrated the Sovereign love the Father had for those whom He gave to the Son. The ones out of love, the Father placed into Christ before the foundation of the world. (Eph.1:4) This truth is why the Jews sought to throw Christ over the ridge and even today, causes many religionist to still desire the same fate for those who support the message.

In case you missed what i said in my previous post - i enjoyed everything you said except the "superficial" part - personally, i would drop that as i believe Saving it matters to God.

If Triunity was so east to see, then there would be no Unitarians. It is only easy to see and comprehend by those who possess the indwelling Holy Spirit - not so easy for those in darkness.

I never said, saving sinners was superficial. My reference to saving sinners as superficial, was a reference to the cursory reading of many religionist, whom deny the Sovereign act of God in Salvation. Rather than except that Scripture teaches Salvation is all of God and only God, they make it about God plus the actions of the sinner. Believing in Christ is the gift of God, not the cause of the gift. If you catch my drift.

Now this is true and beautiful - thank you

 

[DavidTree]

Your question strikes me as a bit elementary - as if you were asking a Sunday school class this question. Yes, Jesus Christ came to bring Good News to sinners. These sinners were made up from all walks of life. However, this is a superficial understanding of Christ's real purpose. One must go much deeper to see the truth of the Gospel accounts. IN the same way, one must go deeper to see the truth of the Triunity of God.

Until we SEE Him Face to Face, we are all in elementary class - it's called Knowing God 101
But i do understand your dialogue and thoughts which i appreciate.
And, Yes we both know that understanding is a growth process - the best part is the Holy Spirit who teaches us.

 

[DavidTree]

If Triunity was so east to see, then there would be no Unitarians. It is only easy to see and comprehend by those who possess the indwelling Holy Spirit - not so easy for those in darkness.

I never said, saving sinners was superficial. My reference to saving sinners as superficial, was a reference to the cursory reading of many religionist, whom deny the Sovereign act of God in Salvation. Rather than except that Scripture teaches Salvation is all of God and only God, they make it about God plus the actions of the sinner. Believing in Christ is the gift of God, not the cause of the gift. If you catch my drift.

My old laptop is ready for the trash heap - so please forgive any mixing up of posts - thanks Brother

 

[awelight]

Amen Brother. I can't wait for the day, when we, the true believers will sit at our Lord's feet and be taught the mysteries from the mind of God. An Eternity of Joy and Bliss. Feeding always on the Honey and the Honey-comb.

 

[DavidTree]

Amen Brother. I can't wait for the day, when we, the true believers will sit at our Lord's feet and be taught the mysteries from the mind of God. An Eternity of Joy and Bliss. Feeding always on the Honey and the Honey-comb.

Love You my Brother - Thank You for joining in on this Thread with your understanding and love for Christ.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I can accept God in three forms, but I don't see any reason for it to be only three forms unless that's how God wants to do it. If he chose to do it, he could appear to us in hundreds of forms, all at the same time.

yes I think the thing is if we believe the gospel we’re going to see the three aspects of the one God clearly.

so then when people make the refinement later that God changes into a different image we have faith that already understands the true God
The place in scripture where the father , son and Holy Ghost are revealed in name and body is the gospel of Jesus Christ. Our faith as Christians is this

“This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.”
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“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. ( see above verse 6)

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

… And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7-13, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Christ is the only place you can see the true God Jesus the son , the father and the holy spirit which lives in us who believe in the son , of the father and become his children through the message of the father son and Holy Spirit

that message is what includes us into Jesus the christ , who is God and makes us by his spirit the sons of God. It’s the message of father son and Holy Ghost that makes God the father sending his son into the world , who was glorified in heaven and sent his spirit into us possible

there’s no comparable message in all the world that accomplishes God putting his own eternal living spirit in mortal man and granting them eternal life as his sons and daughters

 

[Angela53510]

Part of it is the "This is My Son, in whom I am well pleased" Matt 3:17. For me it is plain as day, and not worth quarrelling over. It is discouraging that people get so heated about it. Didn't people murder each other in the middle ages over it? No I am not going to toil over the proof on an issue of questionable value.

Actually, being Trinitarian is foundational to being a Christian. If you believe Jesus is just a human, as Muslims do, you don't know who God is. If you don't understand who God is, (allowing for the mystery, of course) you are worshipping/following "another God" and "another Gospel."

"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." Gal 1:6-8

If Jesus is not divine, he is just another imperfect man. He could not die for our sins. Being raised from the dead would be a lie.

"Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins." 1 Cor 15:12-17

If the Holy Spirit is not God, there is no active agent to carry out God's will in salvation. The power of God in the Holy Spirit, not only saves us, He takes us from being dead to being alive. Some servant to God could not do that! (Or do you believe we are not saved till God judges us?)

"And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." Matt. 12:32

"Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper (advocate, Holy Spirit earlier in this chapter!) will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15

My advice is to read the whole Bible, and believe it. Stop hanging onto the Qu'ran, and read the Bible through 20 times. I've read it over 50 times, in English, French & German, the NT many times in Koine Greek, and a number of OT books in Biblical Hebrew. You can get through the Bible in a year, by reading 3 chapters of the OT and 1 of the NT daily for a year! I also read some Psalms, and Greek & German. Right now, you are a syncretist. You think are forming doctrine from the Bible, but you are really using your Muslim background, and who knows what other sources. The more I read the Bible, the more God teaches me. I pray the Holy Spirit will illuminate my reading, and draw me closer to God.

That's the biggest difference between Islam and Christianity. Allah, the god of Islam is transcendent. He is high above all. But this means you cannot have a deep & infinite relationship with him. You can only worship from afar.

But Jesus, as part of the Trinity, is also immanent. He came to earth, and became a man. He knows our temptations, our sorrows and joys. Jesus is Emmanuel, or Immanuel in Hebrew. Translate that word, it means "God with us." That is close and personal! It means that through Jesus, we can know God, even while worshipping God in his magnificent transcendence. We can count on the sovereign and living God- Father, Son and Holy Spirit!

 

[Angela53510]

i thought tobago is for snow - downhill fun in winter - yes/no?

Canadian here! Toboggan? Pieces of wood joined together to go down a snow covered hill.
or were you joking?

 

[Angela53510]

@awelight

Romans 5:6-8

6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Jesus died for us when we had no faith in Him, and did not deserve to be saved, and had nothing in us worthy of His amazing love.

I agree partly with this. Certainly, it is true Christ died for sinners. But, which sinners?? All of them? If so, then God has failed. Because many sinners die daily having never met God.

Ephesians is very clear about this. Only the people God predestined before the foundation of the world are saved.

"Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavens. 4 For He chose us in Him, before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless in His sight. In love 5 He predestined us to be adopted through Jesus Christ for Himself, according to His favor and will, 6 to the praise of His glorious grace that He favored us with in the Beloved." Eph 1:3-6

"When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. 14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory." Ephesians 1:13-14

Regardless of what you have heard in church, or evangelistic rallies, God chose us. We do not chose him. I tried to believe so hard. I went to church, I read the Bible, but it made no sense. Then my future husband explained to gospel, repentance for sin, and Jesus death & resurrection. Then God spoke, told me to believe, and in an instant, God had saved me. I know God loved me, and Romans 5:8 became an important verse for me!

It's a very hard saying. But not without precedence in the Bible. God loved Jacob, but hated Esau. Joseph loved Rachel, not Leah. God does not love everyone. But he does love the predestined or the elect! As for us, we don't know who the elect are. That is why we are told to preach the gospel to everyone, and let God do the saving!

 

[DavidTree]

Canadian here! Toboggan? Pieces of wood joined together to go down a snow covered hill.
or were you joking?

Good Morning Dear Angela,
it was a play on words, i was joking, i grew up with hockey skates on my feet and a stick in my hand, ice pond in our backyard and lot's of snow, big hill next to our house - we had some real fun back then, we even built little igloos

i notice you left me a 'strong disagree' on:
Abraham - Father
Isaac - Son
Jacob - Holy Spirit

God create/called these men unto Himself to reveal Himself through them to us.
Their lives tell the story of the Gospel and this is through whom God (Elohim) gave to us His Eternal Name - forever.
Elohim is plural.

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The Lord God of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’
Exodus 3:14-15

Did this help??? or you see other - let me know - thank you

 

[SaltwaterGirl]

@Angela53510

The moment a sinner believes and trusts in a crucified Jesus, he is saved. Whoever hears the call: “Come unto Me, thou weary one, and I will give thee rest.” Whoever comes to Jesus IS Elect.

No one can even fathom the love of God. No one can know the Savior’s heart.

“Jesus wept.”

 

[DavidTree]

@Angela53510

The moment a sinner believes and trusts in a crucified Jesus, he is saved. Whoever hears the call: “Come unto Me, thou weary one, and I will give thee rest.” Whoever comes to Jesus IS Elect.

No one can even fathom the love of God. No one can know the Savior’s heart.

“Jesus wept.”

Amen, and the Father does the calling through the Holy Spirit to draw us to Christ.

It is not for us/the Church to know who the Father is calling, we are called to preach the Gospel to everyone.
The weeds and the wheat grow together until our Lord Returns.

 

[DavidTree]

@Angela53510

The moment a sinner believes and trusts in a crucified Jesus, he is saved. Whoever hears the call: “Come unto Me, thou weary one, and I will give thee rest.” Whoever comes to Jesus IS Elect.

No one can even fathom the love of God. No one can know the Savior’s heart.

“Jesus wept.”

Here is a little something that we should make on shirts to wear in public:

God has 7G technology
His Carrier is HS7
He never drops a Call

 

[DavidTree]

For an opportunity to share the Gospel
Here is a little something that we should make on shirts to wear in public:

God has 7G technology
His Carrier is HS7
He never drops a Call

When they ask what is this - you can share with them that the Contract has been PAID in FULL by the SON.

 

[Katia]

Actually, being Trinitarian is foundational to being a Christian. If you believe Jesus is just a human, as Muslims do, you don't know who God is. If you don't understand who God is, (allowing for the mystery, of course) you are worshipping/following "another God" and "another Gospel."

"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." Gal 1:6-8

If Jesus is not divine, he is just another imperfect man. He could not die for our sins. Being raised from the dead would be a lie.

"Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins." 1 Cor 15:12-17

If the Holy Spirit is not God, there is no active agent to carry out God's will in salvation. The power of God in the Holy Spirit, not only saves us, He takes us from being dead to being alive. Some servant to God could not do that! (Or do you believe we are not saved till God judges us?)

"And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." Matt. 12:32

"Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper (advocate, Holy Spirit earlier in this chapter!) will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you." John 16:7-15

My advice is to read the whole Bible, and believe it. Stop hanging onto the Qu'ran, and read the Bible through 20 times. I've read it over 50 times, in English, French & German, the NT many times in Koine Greek, and a number of OT books in Biblical Hebrew. You can get through the Bible in a year, by reading 3 chapters of the OT and 1 of the NT daily for a year! I also read some Psalms, and Greek & German. Right now, you are a syncretist. You think are forming doctrine from the Bible, but you are really using your Muslim background, and who knows what other sources. The more I read the Bible, the more God teaches me. I pray the Holy Spirit will illuminate my reading, and draw me closer to God.

That's the biggest difference between Islam and Christianity. Allah, the god of Islam is transcendent. He is high above all. But this means you cannot have a deep & infinite relationship with him. You can only worship from afar.

But Jesus, as part of the Trinity, is also immanent. He came to earth, and became a man. He knows our temptations, our sorrows and joys. Jesus is Emmanuel, or Immanuel in Hebrew. Translate that word, it means "God with us." That is close and personal! It means that through Jesus, we can know God, even while worshipping God in his magnificent transcendence. We can count on the sovereign and living God- Father, Son and Holy Spirit!

You are intolerable to me. And your thinking you can judge me makes it doubly so. I believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy spirit as three, but they agree on all things. Only The father can judge and you thinking you can judge me is egocentric. Ignore ON.

 

[AandW]

Christ said, God, the Father, is Spirit

The Holy Spirit is Spirit

Christ is The WORD [Spirit] made flesh and is ultimately still the WORD

ALL of Them being SPIRIT is [where] the Same Essence of Who God is can be found in Their connection

To say the Spirit of God, now has a newer viewpoint!

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

You are intolerable to me. And your thinking you can judge me makes it doubly so. I believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy spirit as three, but they agree on all things. Only The father can judge and you thinking you can judge me is egocentric. Ignore ON.

There isn't anything egocentric about telling the truth.
That Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God is a central pillar of Christian faith.
Any other Jesus, is a false prophet, inspired by an anti-christ spirit.

You can call yourself whatever you like but if you reject Father, Son & Holy Spirit as One God you are not Christian.
If you are sincere, pray that The Father God will reveal himself to you through Jesus.

 

[Katia]

Christ said, God, the Father, is Spirit

The Holy Spirit is Spirit

Christ is The WORD [Spirit] made flesh and is ultimately still the WORD

ALL of Them being SPIRIT is [where] the Same Essence of Who God is can be found in Their connection

To say the Spirit of God, now has a newer viewpoint!

I'm tired of this. Emails from this site will go to spam. Finished with this site, please Block me.

 

[AandW]

I'm tired of this. Emails from this site will go to spam. Finished with this site, please Block me.

OK!

Which part of my post is UNBIBLICAL?

I can provide Scripture where we know what I stated is Biblical..

 

[AandW]

John 4:24
24 God is spirit; and they that worship must worship in spirit and truth.

So, if God is Spirit, that means the Father is Spirit because that is God, the Holy Spirit is Spirit because that is God, and the WORD is Spirit made Flesh into the person of Jesus or Yeshua because that is God.