As a thief in the night

[de-emerald]

For Peace and Liberty in the Spirit, i have found it essential, a matter of life and death, to follow His Eternal Commandment:Every word of God is flawless;He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.Do not add to His words,lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30: 5-6

2 corinthians 12 Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me.



Revelation 12:1010 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses (torments) them before our God day and night has been hurled down.

There you are brother. satan or satans cheribum torment people day and night and there in both scriptures above they have the same meaning with different interpretation, i am not the liar..



Revelation 12:10-12
The Message
7-12 War broke out in Heaven. Michael and his Angels fought the Dragon. The Dragon and his Angels fought back, but were no match for Michael. They were cleared out of Heaven, not a sign of them left. The great Dragon—ancient Serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, the one who led the whole earth astray—thrown out, and all his Angels thrown out with him, thrown down to earth. Then I heard a strong voice out of Heaven saying,
Salvation and power are established!
Kingdom of our God, authority of his Messiah!
The Accuser of our brothers and sisters thrown out,
who accused them day and night before God.
They defeated him through the blood of the Lamb
and the bold word of their witness.
They weren’t in love with themselves;
they were willing to die for Christ.
So rejoice, O Heavens, and all who live there,
but doom to earth and sea,
For the Devil’s come down on you with both feet;
he’s had a great fall;
He’s wild and raging with anger;
he hasn’t much time and he knows it

 

[DavidTree]

2 corinthians 12 Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me.



Revelation 12:1010 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses (torments) them before our God day and night has been hurled down.

There you are brother. satan or satans cheribum torment people day and night and there in both scriptures above they have the same meaning with different interpretation, i am not the liar..



Revelation 12:10-12
The Message
7-12 War broke out in Heaven. Michael and his Angels fought the Dragon. The Dragon and his Angels fought back, but were no match for Michael. They were cleared out of Heaven, not a sign of them left. The great Dragon—ancient Serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, the one who led the whole earth astray—thrown out, and all his Angels thrown out with him, thrown down to earth. Then I heard a strong voice out of Heaven saying,
Salvation and power are established!
Kingdom of our God, authority of his Messiah!
The Accuser of our brothers and sisters thrown out,
who accused them day and night before God.
They defeated him through the blood of the Lamb
and the bold word of their witness.
They weren’t in love with themselves;
they were willing to die for Christ.
So rejoice, O Heavens, and all who live there,
but doom to earth and sea,
For the Devil’s come down on you with both feet;
he’s had a great fall;
He’s wild and raging with anger;
he hasn’t much time and he knows it

You said:
"I feel Paul's writings are definitely unfinished, I feel Paul has written note pad writings of demonic attacks and Paul has written those attacks as and when they happened, but not finished interpreting them, like all of a sudden Paul heard a demonic spirit say I have been sent from Satan to torment you and correct you,"

Never called you a liar - please read your own post you said about Paul and his other writings, which are not confirmed and should not be trusted - Peace.

 

[de-emerald]

Never called you a liar - please read your own post about Paul and there being other writings, which are not confirmed and should not be trusted - Peace.

I dont know what you mean sorry. which writings are not confirmed, what do you mean by not confirmed ?

I dont know about some of his writings to not be trusted, but i do feel feel some of his writngs where not finished or missing interpretation of mistaken identity. im intrested to know what other scriptures there might be like that. because sometimes when you find there is something missing it can open the door to lost scripture. or interprataion, so i would like to know, youve got me intrested now.

 

[CS1]

The scriptures says the return of the lord will come like a thief. which means what ?

2 Peter 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

The scripture says the lord will return like a thief above, which means what exactly,, ? well it means like a thief. so there for the meaning of the theif in the night and the thorn in your side are identical, it also means that the lord is not the theif in the night. because the scriptures says he will return like a thief. if the lord was returning as a thief the above scripture would say the lord will return as a thief and not like a thief. the thorn in the side was also noted as satan and so was the thief noted as the thief. the lord is not the thief,, God bless you to.

My response was to this below :

"The thief in the night is also the thorn in your side, the good part is learnin how to put up with the thorn in your side, and when you do learn this then you will be a good steward, this is why paul was a good steward,, he was able to put up with the thorn in his side and had no problem admiting he had a thorn in his side,, but the only reason he could admit and knew he had a thorn in his side was because he was wise and walked with God. God made him wise. This is the only chance a person has of becoming a good steward and good judge of people. The thorn in your side will allways look to judge somebody else rather than you judge your self. because the thorn in your side does not want to be judged, and will continue to Judge everything but himself. and through you too."


Nothing in blue has anything to do with the Coming of the Lord or the context of what Jesus said about As a Thief in the night.

 

[de-emerald]

My response was to this below :

"The thief in the night is also the thorn in your side, the good part is learnin how to put up with the thorn in your side, and when you do learn this then you will be a good steward, this is why paul was a good steward,, he was able to put up with the thorn in his side and had no problem admiting he had a thorn in his side,, but the only reason he could admit and knew he had a thorn in his side was because he was wise and walked with God. God made him wise. This is the only chance a person has of becoming a good steward and good judge of people. The thorn in your side will allways look to judge somebody else rather than you judge your self. because the thorn in your side does not want to be judged, and will continue to Judge everything but himself. and through you too."


Nothing in blue has anything to do with the Coming of the Lord or the context of what Jesus said about As a Thief in the night.

The first sentrnce says the thief in the night is also the thorn in your side. the thief in the night is also the reference to the coming of the lord. but the the two are not the same. so whats your point, and what are you getting at,, this member i quoted was for @Pilgrimshope who has no right to judge me or others the way he has for as long as he has. are you going to do anything about that ? and look at the way hes spoke to me as a judge in my last thread i started and accused me of being a judge, and all he does his judge himself. so i suggest you should do something about it,, because so far i have been here a few months and there is not one single troll i have been wrong about, who has been banned, even the trolls you had attackin you, i noticed befor you did. @Pilgrimshope is a first class troll who says nice things from the lord but loves to condem people be little people insiult people, judge people incorrectly, so get of my case @CS1. why do you mods allow such trolls to troll as long as they do,, befor you do something about it because i havent been here for days because of the way this troll has upset me.

 

[CS1]

The first sentrnce says the thief in the night is also the thorn in your side. the thief in the night is also the reference to the coming of the lord. but the the two are not the same. so whats your point, and what are you getting at,, this member i quoted was for @Pilgrimshope who has no right to judge me or others the way he has for as long as he has. are you going to do anything about that ? and look at the way hes spoke to me as a judge in my last thread i started and accused me of being a judge, and all he does his judge himself. so i suggest you should do something about it,, because so far i have been here a few months and there is not one single troll i have been wrong about, who has been banned, even the trolls you had attackin you, i noticed befor you did. @Pilgrimshope is a first class troll who says nice things from the lord but loves to condem people be little people insiult people, judge people incorrectly, so get of my case @CS1. why do you mods allow such trolls to troll as long as they do,, befor you do something about it because i havent been here for days because of the way this troll has upset me.

I just asked a question or did I go through the thread to see. I am not looking to judge you or seek those who are please just ignore them . If Understand you, you agree to believe the Parable of the thief in the night has to do with the coming of the Lord?

 

[Blik]

good post

I think there are many warnings for sure but I don’t think many are looking in the right place to see them. It seems to be what man has always done

like in Noah’s day , in lots day they were all too condemned with their own lists and the wickedness all around them to hear the warnings. Many are looking to the world so , they are going to be deceived by the spirit that’s in the world.

I think that there is already a false Christ in the world a false” Christianity “ a false church that is of the world and not of God. I think they seek this world and it’s rewards and pleasures , it’s security of money and wealth , possessions , earthly reward but they forsake the truth of love and loving others with what we have.

I personally think that just as the Holy Spirit is in the world to be believed and partake of and be filled with through Christ , there’s another spirit claiming to be Christs but isn’t that some partake of

so like the false prophets that claim to be Christs ministers are filled with this spirit , and are preaching deception that actually teaches us to partake of the world , tells us there’s nothing to do , denies repentance from the worldly and obedience to the gospel which Christ teaches

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists;

whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us.

Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:4-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:16-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I think satans spirit is on the world and is deceiving a lot of people turning thier hearts and minds away from the truth to falsehoods and lying assurance

I think this post seems to tell us what God wants us to know. When scripture tells us we won't know when Christ will return that is the meaning of "thief in the night", not that there will be anything evil about the return of Christ.

When Christ came the first time he brought in the kingdom of God. He came to teach us to: MNatt. 3:2 And saying, repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Before, God had established a kingdom of saint with the Hebrews. It had a territory and laws in stone. Now, the kingdom of heaven was for all in any land and the laws were the spirit of the Lord, nothing earthly like cutting flesh. When Christ comes again Christ will establish a new kingdom and it is a time of rejoicing.

The three fall feasts tell us about it and how it will happen. We aren't told the year, it will come like a their in the night comes, but we are told the time in the year it will happen. People were told the time of year Christ would come the first time with the spring feasts, and the Lord will do the same with the fall feasts.

 

[de-emerald]

I just asked a question or did I go through the thread to see. I am not looking to judge you or seek those who are please just ignore them . If Understand you, you agree to believe the Parable of the thief in the night has to do with the coming of the Lord?

I agree that the parable of the thIef in the night Has to do with the coming of the lord, but what i dont agree with along with many other scriptures the way in which this scripture is miss placed, I cant think as Jesus as coming as the thief in the night, which is just something that is miss repersented. Jesus says the Good sheperd goes in through the front door, not the back door whilst everyone is a sleep. Or another way to look at this scripture is the good sheperd comes in through the front door and warns you of sin befor you commit it,, meaning the good sheperd will identify the tempter and tell is sheep not to listen... befor they sin or start repeating his words,,, where as the thief in the night says a different meaning, which is the lord may catch you if your sinning like a thief in the night will catch someone un aware,, but there lies the problem,, the good sheperd will catch you sinning only to beat the devil,, where as the devil will hope to catch you sinning so he can play God after he tempted a person to sin..

 

[CS1]

I agree that the parable of the thIef in the night Has to do with the coming of the lord, but what i dont agree with along with many other scriptures the way in which this scripture is miss placed, I cant think as Jesus as coming as the thief in the night, which is just something that is miss repersented. Jesus says the Good sheperd goes in through the front door, not the back door whilst everyone is a sleep. Or another way to look at this scripture is the good sheperd comes in through the front door and warns you of sin befor you commit it,, meaning the good sheperd will identify the tempter and tell is sheep not to listen... befor they sin or start repeating his words,,, where as the thief in the night says a different meaning, which is the lord may catch you if your sinning like a thief in the night will catch someone un aware,, but there lies the problem,, the good sheperd will catch you sinning only to beat the devil,, where as the devil will hope to catch you sinning so he can play God after he tempted a person to sin..

It interesting when we read 1thess 5:2

For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

Jesus said Matthew 24:42

42Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The first sentrnce says the thief in the night is also the thorn in your side. the thief in the night is also the reference to the coming of the lord. but the the two are not the same. so whats your point, and what are you getting at,, this member i quoted was for @Pilgrimshope who has no right to judge me or others the way he has for as long as he has. are you going to do anything about that ? and look at the way hes spoke to me as a judge in my last thread i started and accused me of being a judge, and all he does his judge himself. so i suggest you should do something about it,, because so far i have been here a few months and there is not one single troll i have been wrong about, who has been banned, even the trolls you had attackin you, i noticed befor you did. @Pilgrimshope is a first class troll who says nice things from the lord but loves to condem people be little people insiult people, judge people incorrectly, so get of my case @CS1. why do you mods allow such trolls to troll as long as they do,, befor you do something about it because i havent been here for days because of the way this troll has upset me.

“Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I agree that the parable of the thIef in the night Has to do with the coming of the lord, but what i dont agree with along with many other scriptures the way in which this scripture is miss placed, I cant think as Jesus as coming as the thief in the night, which is just something that is miss repersented. Jesus says the Good sheperd goes in through the front door, not the back door whilst everyone is a sleep. Or another way to look at this scripture is the good sheperd comes in through the front door and warns you of sin befor you commit it,, meaning the good sheperd will identify the tempter and tell is sheep not to listen... befor they sin or start repeating his words,,, where as the thief in the night says a different meaning, which is the lord may catch you if your sinning like a thief in the night will catch someone un aware,, but there lies the problem,, the good sheperd will catch you sinning only to beat the devil,, where as the devil will hope to catch you sinning so he can play God after he tempted a person to sin..

“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭16:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.


But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:2-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:35-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think this post seems to tell us what God wants us to know. When scripture tells us we won't know when Christ will return that is the meaning of "thief in the night", not that there will be anything evil about the return of Christ.

When Christ came the first time he brought in the kingdom of God. He came to teach us to: MNatt. 3:2 And saying, repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Before, God had established a kingdom of saint with the Hebrews. It had a territory and laws in stone. Now, the kingdom of heaven was for all in any land and the laws were the spirit of the Lord, nothing earthly like cutting flesh. When Christ comes again Christ will establish a new kingdom and it is a time of rejoicing.

The three fall feasts tell us about it and how it will happen. We aren't told the year, it will come like a their in the night comes, but we are told the time in the year it will happen. People were told the time of year Christ would come the first time with the spring feasts, and the Lord will do the same with the fall feasts.

“we won't know when Christ will return that is the meaning of "thief in the night", not that there will be anything evil about the return of Christ. “

I agree , I think also there’s a message for us to get right before that day comes is the idea behind it . Whenever it comes up in scripture there’s always an exhortation for us to be ready every day and walk upright and not in darkness .

I agree with all the rest of your post there also , I haven’t studied the feasts much at all really but have noticed the foretellings in them, so agree there also

what you said about it not being about the flesh anymore since the kingdom came I agree with immensely , the ot was mostly ( not all ) but mostly about the flesh and physical . But now we have something much much better being the truth of worship that takes the sin from our hearts and if it’s not in our hearts we aren’t going to follow it in our lives

“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s sort of always been my point about moving from the ot law into the gospel.

thanks for the post found it perfectly agreeable

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭16:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Here's how I understand the phrase in your OP Title:

--"as a thief IN THE NIGHT" speaks of the manner of the ARRIVAL of "the Day of the Lord" [earthly-located] TIME PERIOD ...of JUDGMENTs unfolding upon the earth (and commencing with SEAL #1 / the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" of many MORE [Jesus spoke of] that will follow on from that INITIAL one...); This speaks of the TIME PERIOD (its arrival and unfolding upon the earth over some time);

--"[Behold, I come] AS A THIEF. [period]"... (wherever it is is speaking of Jesus HIMSELF [as in Rev16:15-16], the "IN THE NIGHT" phrase is not added; various passages in the gospels only allude to "if he should" [pertaining to the various "watches" of the night], and of course we know that Jesus said even of Himself, at that time [when it was spoken], "but of that day and hour knoweth [perfect indicative] no man" not even HE HIMSELF, at the time... and referring to [what we now call] His Second Coming to the earth [Rev19] FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age)


IOW, I see the wording as being purposely distinct... referring to distinct things in the overall chronology of how things will play out. = )

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The thief in the night is also the thorn in your side, the good part is learnin how to put up with the thorn in your side, and when you do learn this then you will be a good steward, this is why paul was a good steward,, he was able to put up with the thorn in his side and had no problem admiting he had a thorn in his side,, but the only reason he could admit and knew he had a thorn in his side was because he was wise and walked with God. God made him wise. This is the only chance a person has of becoming a good steward and good judge of people. The thorn in your side will allways look to judge somebody else rather than you judge your self. because the thorn in your side does not want to be judged, and will continue to Judge everything but himself. and through you too.

anyway i will pray for you. God bless you

I would humbly suggest you find some people who you can agree with here so your time spent here is more fruitful.

Judging everyone else is already accounted for by Jesus the eternal judge of all. His judgements in the everlasting gospel are worthy of accepting for our own self and sharing with others, because

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


but also you should consider if you are always trying to judge and point out peoples sins according to your own thoughts , and perceptions it will be hard to ever find any agreement with them. But believing the gospel together , should bring us together in judgement.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Here's how I understand the phrase in your OP Title:

--"as a thief IN THE NIGHT" speaks of the manner of the ARRIVAL of "the Day of the Lord" [earthly-located] TIME PERIOD ...of JUDGMENTs unfolding upon the earth (and commencing with SEAL #1 / the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" of many MORE [Jesus spoke of] that will follow on from that INITIAL one...); This speaks of the TIME PERIOD (its arrival and unfolding upon the earth over some time);

--"[Behold, I come] AS A THIEF. [period]"... (wherever it is is speaking of Jesus HIMSELF [as in Rev16:15-16], the "IN THE NIGHT" phrase is not added; various passages in the gospels only allude to "if he should" [pertaining to the various "watches" of the night], and of course we know that Jesus said even of Himself, at that time [when it was spoken], "but of that day and hour knoweth [perfect indicative] no man" not even HE HIMSELF, at the time... and referring to [what we now call] His Second Coming to the earth [Rev19] FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age)


IOW, I see the wording as being purposely distinct... referring to distinct things in the overall chronology of how things will play out. = )

yes but if you would look at what Jesus taught and make your interpretations by what’s in scripture , you wouldn’t have to go elsewhere to understand.

a thief comes when no one is ready for him , unexpectedly.

The point made is that we who believe the gospel that Jesus preached aren’t in the dark about his coming we aren’t going to be caught unaware like the world is going to be. it’s only going to come like a thief to those who are walking in the darkness being afraid to step into the light.

he’s warning us to be ready at any time whether he comes tomorrow or a thousand years that generation like all generations should be living as if he is going to come soon at any moment. If we are walking in sin we’re not going to be prepared, if we repent and start believing the gospel we’re going to be ready and prepared and wearing our garments of salvation he gives us

if we’re always watching where he said to watch always expecting him to come soon we’re not going to be caught unaware. but many will be caught unaware and won’t be prepared for what happens because they have rejected the truth about it. They don’t worry about getting ready because they are already busy with the world and expect to be raptured from the world regardless of what they do

Believing the gospel is meant to make us ready so we can be the group that is saved from that day that will come suddenly upon the world.

truly only the very last generation of man is going to experience that day of his return but the concept is to live our lives in the light and not the darkness because we could pass away tomorrow and don’t want to die in our sins we want to repent and start living as God has taught us. Before our own last day comes

we’re all free to believe as we will I just don’t think it’s going to teach us if we always avoid it based on things like one apostle used one word other used another word and then make it be something different . But you are definately free to interpret it how you choose

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ All I am saying in that the time period (1Th5:1-3 "IN THE NIGHT" / Matt24:4/Mk13:5) will arrive to unfold upon the earth before He Himself (Matt24:29-31 / Rev16:15-16) will arrive [/return to the earth].

 

[Pilgrimshope]

^ All I am saying in that the time period (1Th5:1-3 "IN THE NIGHT" / Matt24:4/Mk13:5) will arrive to unfold upon the earth before He Himself (Matt24:29-31 / Rev16:15-16) will arrive [/return to the earth].

yes I’m aware of what your saying it just doesn’t make Any sense. There’s only one day he will return that same day this will Happen for one group who are not caught off guard (like when a thief comes in the night )

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

just as that happens the other group is going to see it this way the ones who aren’t ready and not watching

“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s the same day but one group are believers walking in the light they will “be taken “ the others who are walking in Darkness will “be left” to that second experience on the same day that no one knows the time of.

some will hear and believe the gospel and be ready and taken up to be with the lord in the air , others will be left and experience the wrath of God that day. It doesn’t make sense to create all the different days , but it’s because we should first listen to Jesus gospel and then go to the epistles then it just makes perfect sense

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s the same day but [...]

For one thing, I do not believe the above verse reads the way you've put it; rather, "...and to be admired in/among all those HAVING BELIEVED in that day"...which, as I've put in past posts, refers to a time period in which they will "believe" / "come to faith in Christ," rather than speaking merely of "a singular 24-hr day";

...and where I've pointed out that, wherever the related phrases "IN THAT DAY" and "the Day of the Lord" are used in close proximity / same contexts, they refer to the same time period (rather than "a singular 24-hr day"), as is the case also here in 2Th1 & 2.

"The day of the Lord" being defined as: "a period of time of JUDGMENTs unfolding as well as [after that] a period of time of BLESSINGs unfolding" (IOW, it spans from the start of SEAL #1 [involving the "7 yrs" leading up to Christ's "RETURN to the earth] and runs ALSO clear to the END of the MK age/1000 yrs)

It doesn’t make sense to create all the different days

It's just one LONG "Day"

(like the "IN THE NIGHT" [/DARK / DARKNESS] aspect OF it... precedes the "SUN of righteousness ARISE" and "reign... GLORIOUSLY" aspect OF it)

Of course, the passages about "day and hour" DO speak of a particular "24-hr day" (the day of His "RETURN" to the earth).



We can agree to disagree here. = )

 

[Pilgrimshope]

For one thing, I do not believe the above verse reads the way you've put it; rather, "...and to be admired in/among all those HAVING BELIEVED in that day"...which, as I've put in past posts, refers to a time period in which they will "believe" / "come to faith in Christ," rather than speaking merely of "a singular 24-hr day";

...and where I've pointed out that, wherever the related phrases "IN THAT DAY" and "the Day of the Lord" are used in close proximity / same contexts, they refer to the same time period (rather than "a singular 24-hr day"), as is the case also here in 2Th1 & 2.

"The day of the Lord" being defined as: "a period of time of JUDGMENTs unfolding as well as [after that] a period of time of BLESSINGs unfolding" (It spans from the start of SEAL #1 [involving the "7 yrs" leading up to Christ's "RETURN to the earth] and runs ALSO clear to the END of the MK age/1000 yrs)



It's just one LONG "Day"

(like the "IN THE NIGHT" [/DARK / DARKNESS] aspect OF it... precedes the "SUN of righteousness ARISE" and "reign... GLORIOUSLY" aspect OF it)

Of course, the passages about "day and hour" DO speak of a particular "24-hr day" (the day of His "RETURN" to the earth).



We can agree to disagree here. = )

yes we can agree on that point for sure. No hard feelings however God loves you

 

[de-emerald]

I would humbly suggest you find some people who you can agree with here so your time spent here is more fruitful.

oh ok so now your the humbe brother who is humble one second followed by i need to take your advice, which i would be happy to if you could stop using scripture to condem people with, satan will do the same, satan uses scripture to condem people rather than admit he is wrong, why does he do this, well its because he was once holy, and knows the holy language inside out, and is also very good at taking your thoughts captive. you really do have a thorn in your side.