Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Sin DID pre-exist Adam. In heaven, when Satan rebelled. Isa 14:12-14

True.
How does evil and sin exist in Heaven?

Why the question given your "true" comment??

Where was Satan when he rebelled per Isa 14:12-14? Heaven, obviously.

Also, Rev 12:7-9
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.
9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

You're referring to Genesis 1?

The Creation of the World
1 In the beginning[a] God created[c] the heavens and the earth.[d]

2 Now[e] the earth[f] was without shape and empty,[g] and darkness[h] was over the surface of the watery deep, but the Spirit of God[j] was moving[k] over the surface[l] of the water.

No, I was referring to the proper translation of v.2.

The Hebrew word was wrongly translated "and", or "now". It is a disjunctive and indicates a complete break between ideas. The Septuagint translates it as "de", which translates as "but" in the Engish.

Then, the Hebrew "tohu wabohu" cannot mean "without form" because there is no such thing. EVERY thing has a form, whether regular or irregular. Comparing the phrase with how it's rendered in the rest of the OT, it really means an uninhabited wasteland.

Finally, concerning the Hebrew word for "was", that exact form of the word is translated as "became" in 60% of occurrences, and "was" in only 6%, which includes v.2.

So, the proper translation for v.2 - "but, the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland"

I used biblehub.com for the research. So anyone can do the research and find the same result.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It's scripture, not me.
How do you not know the fallen nature of man is from God.
Believe in God but omit parts of his teachings we don't agree with because they're too personal?

He let Lucifer and the fallen angels fall to earth. Where Lucifer, now Satan, adversary, is lord. And operates here with God's permission.
As Satan roams about like a hungry lion seeking souls to devour. With God's permission.

Though likely there are teachings out there that say Satan can't do that anymore since the cross. Which isn't true.

"God is Sovereign.
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."

He killed the first born of every living creature in Egypt.

He drowned the whole world, all life succumbed in the deluge, save for those of Noah and his family, because humanity was wicked. Satan didn't give them,us, a fallen nature, God did.

And Noah and his family created new life so to populate the world again with people and their God given fallen human nature.
And he made a promise. He would never again drown the world for it's wickedness.

Next time he'd use fire.

There are said to be 1,239 prophecies in the Old Testament. 578 prophecies in the New. Roughly 27% of the Bible.

Do you accept there are prophecies in scripture?
Prophecy is God telling you what he has preplanned for the world.

So when he tells you, we make our plans but he sets our steps, what's not to believe? Except of course God didn't really mean that.

if you would believe what Jesus taught you would understand what God is saying but you have decided that grace omits his word


“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:

but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”

‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:12-13, 16-17, 22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”

‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:7-8‬ ‭


“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”

‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:

but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”

‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty;

only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.”

‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”

‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Icedaisey]

if you would believe what Jesus taught you would understand what God is saying but you have decided that grace omits his word


“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”

‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:

but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”

‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:12-13, 16-17, 22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.”

‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:7-8‬ ‭


“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”

‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:

but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”

‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty;

only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.”

‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”

‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Of course your charge is false. I have never stated what you claim against grace. As my post history proves.

God bestows his free irrevocable grace and faith upon those whom he calls to him. And that is not of our own doing it is a gift of God.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Of course your charge is false. I have never stated what you claim against grace. As my post history proves.

God bestows his free irrevocable grace and faith upon those whom he calls to him. And that is not of our own doing it is a gift of God.

Yep he gave us a gift and told us the truth

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so we can get ourselves free

“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭

so we can work out our salvation by. Believing jesus and the gospel he gave to set us free through hearing and continuing in his word

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s a gift he’s given us but it doesn’t mean we aren’t meant to believe and do what he said the gift is the truth that makes us free and gives us eternal life but we’re free to reject it also

 

[Icedaisey]

Yeah, just another false accusation.

God knowing what is going to happen is not God causing it either.

Allowing for something to happen is not the same thing as causing something to happen.

Apparently some lack the discernment required to distinguish between the two...

It's actually your falsehood and failure at discernment that is the matter here.


2 Timothy 4:3-4“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but [wanting] to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths.”

"God's Omniscience is relative to his Sovereign power.The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. "Proverbs 16:9


Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”

Amos 3:6 Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the Lord has done it?


You don't have to believe it. You can make excuses and not accept what God is defined as. While thinking man can overcome God's words that tell us, while we think we choose, God puts us where he wants us. You can continue to ignore the scriptures provided and the dozens still in the Bible.

The Lord said it of himself in his word. When someone denies that, that is his will too.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It's actually your falsehood and failure at discernment that is the matter here.


2 Timothy 4:3-4“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but [wanting] to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths.”

"God's Omniscience is relative to his Sovereign power.The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. "Proverbs 16:9


Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”

Amos 3:6 Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the Lord has done it?


You don't have to believe it. You can make excuses and not accept what God is defined as. While thinking man can overcome God's words that tell us, while we think we choose, God puts us where he wants us. You can continue to ignore the scriptures provided and the dozens still in the Bible.

The Lord said it of himself in his word. When someone denies that, that is his will too.

so believing Jesus and his word is falsehood ? You’ve become very bitter toward me so I’m going to move on but again you should consider the thkngs Jesus Christ the lord said will save us I hope you do at some point . I feel like I shouldn’t interact with you any further because of the bitterness and conflict

but do wish you well

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Icedaisey]

so believing Jesus and his word is falsehood ? You’ve become very bitter toward me so I’m going to move on but again you should consider the thkngs Jesus Christ the lord said will save us I hope you do at some point . I feel like I shouldn’t interact with you any further because of the bitterness and conflict

but do wish you well

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I take it you have Magenta on ignore?

Because my post that you quote there was written to her, not you. But you take my post there personally. Odd.

Just click the arrow beside me name in that quoted post. You'll see it does not take you to any of your postings.
Unless of course you are Magenta?

 

[Gardenias]

I have been here a year I think and am so shocked at how people believe so differently!

What is the truth? (Only God's word)
Who is decieved or being decieved? ( Those with itching ears,those who are lukewarm,those who don't search out truth on their own,wrong indoctrination?)
Why would you want to fake religion? ( Status symbol,peer pressure, business opportunities?)
Don't people understand God knows all? ( no personal relationship with the Lord)

I just really don't get it!
This is not a fairy tale,IT IS LIFE AND DEATH!

 

[JonMaxwell]

Why would anyone who is in Christ insist Jesus died to seal for eternity his promise of eternal salvation is bunk?

Conditional salvation isn't salvation.
It's damnation wrapped in a Satanic lie. It is the insecurity, the anti-faith that one who is damned believes in as needing to labor to see heaven. They never shall. .

That is beautiful, almost lyric. And true.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I have been here a year I think and am so shocked at how people believe so differently!

What is the truth? (Only God's word)
Who is decieved or being decieved? ( Those with itching ears,those who are lukewarm,those who don't search out truth on their own,wrong indoctrination?)
Why would you want to fake religion? ( Status symbol,peer pressure, business opportunities?)
Don't people understand God knows all? ( no personal relationship with the Lord)

I just really don't get it!
This is not a fairy tale,IT IS LIFE AND DEATH!

there are a lot of modern day authors who write books ( for sale out 20-30 $ ) that explain “ the real truth “ and they explain things like you hear in this forum so often.

For Just 29.99 they will explain the real salvation gospel , because “ the one that Jesus preached isn’t really for you “

mostly it’s now the word grace means your saved. So things like getting baptized , that’s a work not grace , thkngs like repenting , that’s not required , thkngs like confessing your sins , that means you have an evil “ sin conscience “ you really are supposed to just thank God your righteous whenever you sin and not acknowledge it “

it’s sad and disturbing but it’s also foretold. If you notice how accurate thkngs like this are

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Gardenias]

there are a lot of modern day authors who write books ( for sale out 20-30 $ ) that explain “ the real truth “ and they explain things like you hear in this forum so often.

For Just 29.99 they will explain the real salvation gospel , because “ the one that Jesus preached isn’t really for you “

mostly it’s now the word grace means your saved. So things like getting baptized , that’s a work not grace , thkngs like repenting , that’s not required , thkngs like confessing your sins , that means you have an evil “ sin conscience “ you really are supposed to just thank God your righteous whenever you sin and not acknowledge it “

it’s sad and disturbing but it’s also foretold. If you notice how accurate thkngs like this are

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I totally agree!
People are becoming men followers rather than following God and HIS WORD!
It is rather sad though that some are so easily swayed.
I have quit praying for people's healing or needs but am praying only that the gospel will be spread among my family,street people, prostitutes,addicts,abusers,prisoners,all the lost.
.
We so desperately need people freed from sin and in relationship to God!

Getting the good news out there is empetative NOW!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I totally agree!
People are becoming men followers rather than following God and HIS WORD!
It is rather sad though that some are so easily swayed.
I have quit praying for people's healing or needs but am praying only that the gospel will be spread among my family,street people, prostitutes,addicts,abusers,prisoners,all the lost.
.
We so desperately need people freed from sin and in relationship to God!

Getting the good news out there is empetative NOW!

I love that every word !! And could not agree more .

if you notice how simple false doctrine is

“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then comes questioning the word , diversion and a circle and an alternative to believe

“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

( watch her mind change from truth to transgression and spread )

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:1-6‬ ‭


It’s the same now we have the truth spoken by the Lord in the gospel , and whenever someone hears it the same serpent does this

“When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s always a reason why the gospel isn’t really the gospel or isn’t really for you …. Simple but seemingly effective somehow

 

[MattforJesus]

There are three legs upon which OSAS stands or falls. Do these verses mean what they supposedly mean, or have they been misunderstood and misapplied? When we examine them next to other scriptures that clearly contradict them will they hold up? Let's see.

First, 1 John 2:19—"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us."

The OSAS interpretation of this verse says that those who "went out" were never in Christ to begin with; they were never saved. However, I suggest there's another meaning that conforms very well with other scriptures. This view says that those who "went out" were indeed saved and in Christ at one point, but were simply not as committed as the others. It's in this sense that they were not "of us." These are those spoken of in the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:5-6): "Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away." It sprang up, it had life to start with; but it "withered away."

Jesus' explanation of this passage is found in Matthew 13:20-21—"As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away."

Second is 1 John 3:6—"No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him."

This seems pretty cut and dried: if someone turns away back into sin they never knew Him. But we have to understand this in light of other scriptures that contradict it. Those who "never knew Him," never had a proper understanding of Him. This corresponds to the first group in the parable of the sower: "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart." The seed was "sown in his heart," but was snatched away because of this person's lack of understanding.

Third is John 10:28—"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand." I agree with this verse: no one can indeed snatch them out of His hand. However, the person himself can walk away. For this reason I prefer the phrase "forfeit salvation" to "lose salvation."

Now let's look at some scriptures that plainly talk about walking away and falling away. I'm not going to use Hebrews because Hebrews is fiercely objected to by those who advocate OSAS, even though is has many relevant warnings about falling away. But Hebrews isn't necessary—there are plenty of others.

2 Peter 2:20-21—"For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them."

This passage clearly illustrates a person who was once in Christ but who turned their back on Him. This shows a conscious action on the part of the one turning back. These verses correspond with Luke 9:26: "Jesus said to him, 'No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.' "

Matthew 24:10—"And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another."

1 Timothy 4:1—"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons."

Matthew 24:13—"But the one who endures to the end will be saved."

Why say that those who endure to the end will be saved? If one cannot forfeit their salvation, why didn't He say "But all who have prayed the sinners prayer will be saved?"

Luke 9:26—"Jesus said to him, 'No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.' "

Already mentioned, Luke 9:26 is a clear warning from the Lord about falling away.

OSAS is a false teaching and foundation and a lack of understanding what the Bible states.

If OSAS is true then God's kingdom is not true love but robotic love, and God is not evil to condemn people that have no choice but to disobey.

If you program your computer to say I love you does your computer truly love you, and if you program your computer to say I hate you will you get mad and smash the computer.

 

[Gardenias]

It grieves my soul to know there are people being decieved by clever word play by Satan.
The word is God's TRUTH to us and as to many that believe.
He said his yoke was easy and it is, so why do people look for an easy way out?
It is in simple form,easy to understand.
We are not asked the impossible but to just submit ourselves unto God,walk in the Spirit, trust and obey him.

 

[Magenta]

James 1:13-15
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

James 1:13-15
It is very close to being done...

(That is Katharine Hepburn's face )

 

[Gideon300]

Are there clear verses about these 2 salvations?

1 Peter 1:9
James 1:21
Matthew 16:24-26
Matthew 10:39
John 12:25

The word "psuche" in Greek is translated mostly either "soul" or "life". My old NASB translated it "soul-life" I believe this to be the best translation. Adam became a living being when God breathed into him the breath of life. He was a spirit being, with a soul (the organ of expression) and a body. God's intent was that Adam should eat from the tree of life. We know the sad story.

We are told that sin has killed the human race. We are born dead in trespass and sin. So what died? It has to be the spirit. How did Adam continue to live? It was by the life of the soul that God gave him. This life is also called "the natural man". (1 Corinthians 2:14)

We are born again the moment that we believe and receive Christ. From that time on, we have a choice, much like Adam. Will we choose to live by the "tree of Life" (Lord Jesus, who is 'the Life') or from the natural life of the soul? God's intent is that we should choose life, not the knowledge of good and evil. Christians are prone to revert to the principle of good and evil because that's what we are used to. God will permit us to fail so that we see that the natural must defer to the spiritual. This is a lifetime work. I saw it like John the Baptist: "I must decrease and He (Jesus) must increase." If we persevere, we will experience the deliverance from self and sin that our born again spirit longs for. If we keep trying in our own strength, we will live a life of failure and defeat.

 

[Magenta]

1 Peter 1:3-5

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's actually your falsehood and failure at discernment that is the matter here.


2 Timothy 4:3-4“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but [wanting] to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths.”

"God's Omniscience is relative to his Sovereign power.The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps. "Proverbs 16:9


Daniel 4:35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”

Amos 3:6 Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the Lord has done it?


You don't have to believe it. You can make excuses and not accept what God is defined as. While thinking man can overcome God's words that tell us, while we think we choose, God puts us where he wants us. You can continue to ignore the scriptures provided and the dozens still in the Bible.

The Lord said it of himself in his word. When someone denies that, that is his will too.

what saddens me is you think God is so weak he can not carry pout his will UNLESS he takes over a persons will and forces them to do what he wants.

Its funny how he did not do this with Jonah, He just kept putting road blocks in his way so Jonah either did what God wanted, Or he would have died and God would have gotten someone else
I can see many times in my life where God did this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have been here a year I think and am so shocked at how people believe so differently!

What is the truth? (Only God's word)
Who is decieved or being decieved? ( Those with itching ears,those who are lukewarm,those who don't search out truth on their own,wrong indoctrination?)
Why would you want to fake religion? ( Status symbol,peer pressure, business opportunities?)
Don't people understand God knows all? ( no personal relationship with the Lord)

I just really don't get it!
This is not a fairy tale,IT IS LIFE AND DEATH!

Sadly, I believe peopel are indoctrinated from our churches.

I remember growing up and being told what others believe and being taught how and why they are wrong.

Its a wake up call when you figure out what you were taught was wrong, and those people really do not believe this way.

Sadly for some, I believe they wish to remain asleep.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OSAS is a false teaching and foundation and a lack of understanding what the Bible states.

If OSAS is true then God's kingdom is not true love but robotic love, and God is not evil to condemn people that have no choice but to disobey.

If you program your computer to say I love you does your computer truly love you, and if you program your computer to say I hate you will you get mad and smash the computer.

NOSAS is false teaching and the foundation of lack of understanding of the bible

If NOSAS is true, Then Gods kingdom is not true, because their is no love, And God proclaim of being long suffering and merciful is nothing but a lie

If you program you love it, does your computer truly love you? And if you program you computer to hate you, you will smash your computer?? What is this about??

if you tell your kids you love them. Yet are not longsuffering and forgiving of them while still disciplining them, do you expect them to love you back? They will rebel, they will hate you, They will harden their heart to your love, And when you threaten to kick them out of your family if they do not shape up (or you will ship them it) you will lose them. Eventually the world will see how hateful you are. And ignore your words when you try to tell them hw loving you are. Because actions speak louder than words.