What bearing, for you, does that have on changing or altering - 1 Thessalonians 4?
The Second Coming of Christ and the First Resurrection.
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What bearing, for you, does that have on changing or altering - 1 Thessalonians 4?
I think it's obvious that the wording of Revelation 20 concerning the first resurrection is inclusive to the tribulation context. It certainly is not the first resurrection in scripture.
AGREE - Anyone who is in Christ, Born Again by His Blood and the Holy Spirit instantly become His Bride.
Now, in the Light of Scripture which cannot lie - dwell on that and ask your self - Are there two Gospels? are the two Brides of Christ?
One Gospel with pre-trib in it just for a tiny group before His Second Coming and then there must be another Gospel for the Tribulation Saints who do not QUALIFY for pre-trib rapture.
YES, and why do you think that the wording is focused on those who were killed by the antichrist?
You said: "I would love to stay and help if the danger were not so great to me spiritually."
What do you mean by this???
The One Thing that MUST and WILL take place BEFORE the rapture is the FIRST RESURRECTION.
Anyone who says no is an outright LIAR against 1 Thessalonians 4.
So you just add to Scripture what it does not say to create a false teaching/doctrine.
This is classic pre-trib error - add to and take away from Scripture to mold it to the false doctrine.
Who is teaching you to do this? Not the Holy Spirit.
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Prov 30: 5-6
How many Second Comings of our Lord Jesus Christ are there? - according to Scripture.
How many First Resurrections are there? according to 1 Thess 4 and Revelation 20
IMPORTANT: The Second Coming of the LORD brings with Him all the Saints who are in Heaven with Him now and all who will be killed up to the Day when He returns = 1 Thessalonians 4
Whete did I add to scripture? Btw, most of the time you don’t even use scripture. But that’s another thread.
Two advents in Scripture, but the Lord never steps foot on earth during the rapture. The rapture is not an advent. Your problem might be not properly rightly dividing the body of Christ from the nation of Israel.
Does "by the word of the Lord" have any significance to you?
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord,
that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ says: the error of pre-trib rapture will by NO MEANS OCCUR
for dead in Christ will rise FIRST
AFTER that the rapture of the remaining/alive Saints get "caught up"
How have you no fear of God to add to or take away from His words?
False accusation.
i pu forth the foundation of this thread on Scripture and i also have continually posted Scripture or at least reference to it.
Here is the foundation of TRUTH for the Resurrection and rapture of 1 Thessalonians 4 and 2 Thess 2 and Matt 24 & 25 and 1 John 2:18 and Daniel 7 and Revelation.
The resurrection is equated to the harvest in scripture. A harvest has three parts, first fruits, the main harvest, and the gleanings.
First fruits = Christ and the OT saints
Main harvest = the body of Christ, the church
Gleanings = tribulation saints
Adding to Scripture again.
His Second Coming is the most spectacular EVENT of World HISTORY - wow
And your three parts here overide Scripture - 'adding to and taking away from God's words"
Do you not realize what Proverbs 30: 5-6 and Revelation 22: 18-19 are saying to you?
By the word of the LORD, those three parts are completed into one FIRST RESURRECTION at HIS SECOND COMING.
When Christ comes for his church, he will resurrect those who have died in him, and they will be caught up together with those who are alive and remain. That’s the body of Christ. That’s the rapture.
Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
You haven’t used scripture yet. You use a perverted version that is of the devil. You have yet proved to me how I am adding to scripture.