Do not let your hearts be troubled.

[Aaron56]

John 14:1-14
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; a believe in Me as well. In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.”

“Lord,” said Thomas, “we do not know where You are going, so how can we know the way?”

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”

Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”

Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me—or at least believe on account of the works themselves.

Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me for anything in My name, I will do it.


I apologize for the long quote but I wanted to capture the gist and context of the passage.

The first part of the passage is often quoted at funerals: “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; a believe in Me as well. 2In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.”

It appeals to us because our hearts are often troubled at funerals. We teach it as if the passage means “The person who has died has gone to heaven where Jesus went to prepare a place for them. They are living in heaven now, so don’t let your hearts be troubled.”

If you will notice, Jesus talks about coming back to welcome them into His presence. We often teach that this as “In my second coming, I will come back and gather you unto Myself… so let your hearts not be troubled.”

Neither is the true meaning of this scripture.

First, consider that Jesus had yet to be crucified and killed. So, His ‘coming back’ refers to when He next appeared to the disciples after He was resurrected not during His triumphant return. Secondly, we need to look at the meaning of ‘prepare a place’. Does this not speak about enough rooms in heaven to house the righteous? Nope. Let’s backtrack first and look at the ‘place’ and then we’ll continue to look at the rest of the chapter.

Like many words in scripture (love, world, man, angel, man, etc.), ‘place’ has multiple meanings. During the ministry of Jesus, the religious people of His day had great concern about His influence upon the people. Earlier in John the following is recorded:

“What are we to do? This man is performing many signs. If we let Him go on like this, everyone will believe in Him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.”

‘Place’ is the Greek word ‘topos’. Here, it doesn’t mean ‘a dwelling place or a house’, but rather ‘a position of influence and station’. The religious people of His day knew that Jesus’ ministry would shut down their ministries. The grace had passed from the likeness and shadows and fell upon the reality of the Messiah who was to come. This is the same meaning of ‘place’ in the quote above: a position of influence and station.

This place, in the House of God (‘house’ here is like a family…historically we might recall the House of Windsor or the House of Montague) is only Jesus could prepare. Knowing the end from the beginning through the scriptures, we know that Jesus died as the man but was raised as the life-giving Spirit called Christ. While we could not, because of the natural laws of physics, be placed within the man called Jesus, we COULD be placed within the Christ of God. Furthermore, within Christ, we become joint heirs with Him. Heirs of what? Heirs of God’s estate. We now, with Christ, take up the affairs of the kingdom of the Living God as sons of God. Jesus prepared this place for us, in Him, when He left the earth.

“..and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.”

Earlier Jesus said, “I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one.”

But we might think, “Wait! God does not give His glory to another.”

But, in Christ, we are not ‘another’.

We are members of His body:

“For we are members of His body. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church.”

God may freely give His glory to His Son, who is One with Him.

This is the station of influence Jesus prepared for us by His departure: we become members of the Body of Christ, His flesh and His bones. “Whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these…” To paraphrase: Whoever believes in Me will also take up the affairs of My Father’s House.

Don’t let your hearts be troubled.

Love and Peace,
Aaron56

 

[Pilgrimshope]

“Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.

For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people:

but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭60:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬

“The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:2, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2, 4-5, 9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭23:1-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:16‬ ‭

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1, 3-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[p_rehbein]

First, consider that Jesus had yet to be crucified and killed. So, His ‘coming back’ refers to when He next appeared to the disciples after He was resurrected not during His triumphant return. Secondly, we need to look at the meaning of ‘prepare a place’. Does this not speak about enough rooms in heaven to house the righteous? Nope. Let’s backtrack first and look at the ‘place’ and then we’ll continue to look at the rest of the chapter.

John, Chapter 14:

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

This is a direct reference to what will take place when the Eastern Sky splits, and Jesus descends on clouds of white with the Saints who have gone before!

This is the RAPTURE! This is what Jesus is teaching! The Apostle Paul taught about this also...... The dead in Christ shall rise first, then those still alive will be caught up, in a moment.....

1 Corinthians, Chapter 15:

34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

This will be the END OF TIME FOR ALL MANKIND. All that will remain will be the Judgement..........the separation of the wheat and the chaffe

 

[Ahwatukee]

John 14:1-14
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; a believe in Me as well. In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.”

“Lord,” said Thomas, “we do not know where You are going, so how can we know the way?”

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”

Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”

Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me—or at least believe on account of the works themselves.

Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me for anything in My name, I will do it.


I apologize for the long quote but I wanted to capture the gist and context of the passage.

The first part of the passage is often quoted at funerals: “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; a believe in Me as well. 2In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.”

It appeals to us because our hearts are often troubled at funerals. We teach it as if the passage means “The person who has died has gone to heaven where Jesus went to prepare a place for them. They are living in heaven now, so don’t let your hearts be troubled.”

Hello Aaron56,

The above is synonymous to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, when the Lord appears in the atmosphere resurrecting the dead and where the living are changed immortal and glorified and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. At that point the entire church will be gathered in the air in one place at one time, where the Lord will take the entire group back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us.

When a believer dies, Jesus does not come to take them to the Father's, but their spirit immediately goes to be in the presence of the Lord. His promise to come and get us and to take us back to the Father's house, is when we will receive our immortal and glorified bodies, which is the Blessed Hope, the event that all believers should be anticipating and looking forward to and which is imminent.

The Lord's reference to "Let not your hearts be troubled" is an assurance and comfort from Him that believers will not go through the wrath of God that is going to come upon the whole inhabited world, which follows the gathering.

 

[DavidTree]

The House of God is Christ

Hello Aaron56,

The above is synonymous to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, when the Lord appears in the atmosphere resurrecting the dead and where the living are changed immortal and glorified and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. At that point the entire church will be gathered in the air in one place at one time, where the Lord will take the entire group back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us.

When a believer dies, Jesus does not come to take them to the Father's, but their spirit immediately goes to be in the presence of the Lord. His promise to come and get us and to take us back to the Father's house, is when we will receive our immortal and glorified bodies, which is the Blessed Hope, the event that all believers should be anticipating and looking forward to and which is imminent.

The Lord's reference to "Let not your hearts be troubled" is an assurance and comfort from Him that believers will not go through the wrath of God that is going to come upon the whole inhabited world, which follows the gathering.

Where is the Fathers House?

Jesus said: Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

Jesus fulfilled this Promise to us and the Disciples with His Resurrection over Death, He ascended to the Father and returned to the Disciples just as He Promised them: "I will not leave you as orphans..."
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17
It was the first day of the week, and that very evening, while the disciples were together with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them. “Peace be with you!” He said to them. John 20:20 = Do you have 2020 Vision

Where is the Fathers House?

However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:
‘Heaven is My throne
and the earth is My footstool.
What kind of house will you build for Me, says the Lord,
or where will My place of repose be?
Has not My hand made all these things?’ Acts 7

Where is the Fathers House?

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. John 14
But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved!
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. Eph 2

Those of us who have drank of the Cup of Salvation and have His Holy Spirit are already in the Fathers House.

Where is the Fathers House?

As you come to Him, the living stone, rejected by men but chosen and precious in God’s sight,
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
1 Corinthians 3

 

[DavidTree]

John 14:1-14
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; a believe in Me as well. In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.”

“Lord,” said Thomas, “we do not know where You are going, so how can we know the way?”

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”

Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.”

Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me—or at least believe on account of the works themselves.

Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me for anything in My name, I will do it.


I apologize for the long quote but I wanted to capture the gist and context of the passage.

The first part of the passage is often quoted at funerals: “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; a believe in Me as well. 2In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.”

It appeals to us because our hearts are often troubled at funerals. We teach it as if the passage means “The person who has died has gone to heaven where Jesus went to prepare a place for them. They are living in heaven now, so don’t let your hearts be troubled.”

If you will notice, Jesus talks about coming back to welcome them into His presence. We often teach that this as “In my second coming, I will come back and gather you unto Myself… so let your hearts not be troubled.”

Neither is the true meaning of this scripture.

First, consider that Jesus had yet to be crucified and killed. So, His ‘coming back’ refers to when He next appeared to the disciples after He was resurrected not during His triumphant return. Secondly, we need to look at the meaning of ‘prepare a place’. Does this not speak about enough rooms in heaven to house the righteous? Nope. Let’s backtrack first and look at the ‘place’ and then we’ll continue to look at the rest of the chapter.

Like many words in scripture (love, world, man, angel, man, etc.), ‘place’ has multiple meanings. During the ministry of Jesus, the religious people of His day had great concern about His influence upon the people. Earlier in John the following is recorded:

“What are we to do? This man is performing many signs. If we let Him go on like this, everyone will believe in Him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.”

‘Place’ is the Greek word ‘topos’. Here, it doesn’t mean ‘a dwelling place or a house’, but rather ‘a position of influence and station’. The religious people of His day knew that Jesus’ ministry would shut down their ministries. The grace had passed from the likeness and shadows and fell upon the reality of the Messiah who was to come. This is the same meaning of ‘place’ in the quote above: a position of influence and station.

This place, in the House of God (‘house’ here is like a family…historically we might recall the House of Windsor or the House of Montague) is only Jesus could prepare. Knowing the end from the beginning through the scriptures, we know that Jesus died as the man but was raised as the life-giving Spirit called Christ. While we could not, because of the natural laws of physics, be placed within the man called Jesus, we COULD be placed within the Christ of God. Furthermore, within Christ, we become joint heirs with Him. Heirs of what? Heirs of God’s estate. We now, with Christ, take up the affairs of the kingdom of the Living God as sons of God. Jesus prepared this place for us, in Him, when He left the earth.

“..and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.”

Earlier Jesus said, “I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one.”

But we might think, “Wait! God does not give His glory to another.”

But, in Christ, we are not ‘another’.

We are members of His body:

“For we are members of His body. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church.”

God may freely give His glory to His Son, who is One with Him.

This is the station of influence Jesus prepared for us by His departure: we become members of the Body of Christ, His flesh and His bones. “Whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these…” To paraphrase: Whoever believes in Me will also take up the affairs of My Father’s House.

Don’t let your hearts be troubled.

Love and Peace,
Aaron56

Where is the Fathers House?

Jesus said: Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

Jesus fulfilled this Promise to us and the Disciples with His Resurrection over Death, He ascended to the Father and returned to the Disciples just as He Promised them: "I will not leave you as orphans..."
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17
It was the first day of the week, and that very evening, while the disciples were together with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them. “Peace be with you!” He said to them. John 20:20 = Do you have 2020 Vision

Where is the Fathers House?

However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:
‘Heaven is My throne
and the earth is My footstool.
What kind of house will you build for Me, says the Lord,
or where will My place of repose be?
Has not My hand made all these things?’ Acts 7

Where is the Fathers House?

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. John 14
But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved!
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. Eph 2

Those of us who have drank of the Cup of Salvation and have His Holy Spirit are already in the Fathers House.

Where is the Fathers House?

As you come to Him, the living stone, rejected by men but chosen and precious in God’s sight,
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
1 Corinthians 3

 

[mindfulzen]

Jesus points to God, end of story.

 

[walknlight]

Hello!

Where is the Fathers House?

What does it matter?

"that where I am, there you may be also.."

..."comfort one another with THESE words....."

Be blessed!

 

[Cabrillo]

Hello!

What does it matter?

"that where I am, there you may be also.."

..."comfort one another with THESE words....."

Be blessed!

Hey! I've use exactly the same chart you copied as an avatar to visually express the concept of Gods triunity. (Trinity).

 

[DavidTree]

Hello!

What does it matter?

"that where I am, there you may be also.."

..."comfort one another with THESE words....."

Be blessed!

What does it matter? you ask....
It matters above all things to our Heavenly Father and to His Son and to the Holy Spirit.

Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. Prov 30

Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world.
For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth. John 17

 

[walknlight]

Hi again!

you ask....
Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. Prov 30

Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world.
For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth. John 17

Agreed!

But again,
What does it matter if our Lord and Savior said..... "I will take you to Myself, so that where I am you may be also."

Here, IT doesnt matter, as long as we are with Him....

God Bless!

 

[Aaron56]

As you come to Him, the living stone, rejected by men but chosen and precious in God’s sight,
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Amen!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The House of God is Christ


Where is the Fathers House?

Jesus said: Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

Jesus fulfilled this Promise to us and the Disciples with His Resurrection over Death, He ascended to the Father and returned to the Disciples just as He Promised them: "I will not leave you as orphans..."
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17
It was the first day of the week, and that very evening, while the disciples were together with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them. “Peace be with you!” He said to them. John 20:20 = Do you have 2020 Vision

Where is the Fathers House?

However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:
‘Heaven is My throne
and the earth is My footstool.
What kind of house will you build for Me, says the Lord,
or where will My place of repose be?
Has not My hand made all these things?’ Acts 7

Where is the Fathers House?

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. John 14
But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved!
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. Eph 2

Those of us who have drank of the Cup of Salvation and have His Holy Spirit are already in the Fathers House.

Where is the Fathers House?

As you come to Him, the living stone, rejected by men but chosen and precious in God’s sight,
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
1 Corinthians 3

I bet this guy is pretty comfortable in his house somewhere beyond the blue

“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[walknlight]

I bet this guy is pretty comfortable in his house somewhere beyond the blue

“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Paradise is empty, Hell is not....

God Bless!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What does it matter? you ask....
It matters above all things to our Heavenly Father and to His Son and to the Holy Spirit.

Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. Prov 30

Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world.
For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth. John 17

Where is the Fathers House?

Jesus said: Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

Jesus fulfilled this Promise to us and the Disciples with His Resurrection over Death, He ascended to the Father and returned to the Disciples just as He Promised them: "I will not leave you as orphans..."
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17
It was the first day of the week, and that very evening, while the disciples were together with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them. “Peace be with you!” He said to them. John 20:20 = Do you have 2020 Vision

Where is the Fathers House?

However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:
‘Heaven is My throne
and the earth is My footstool.
What kind of house will you build for Me, says the Lord,
or where will My place of repose be?
Has not My hand made all these things?’ Acts 7

Where is the Fathers House?

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. John 14
But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved!
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. Eph 2

Those of us who have drank of the Cup of Salvation and have His Holy Spirit are already in the Fathers House.

Where is the Fathers House?

As you come to Him, the living stone, rejected by men but chosen and precious in God’s sight,
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
1 Corinthians 3

Amen he came to live in us until we get home to him after we part this broken down tabernacle

“For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened:

not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:1-2, 4, 6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I find a glorious hope as I approach my own end in this body a true hope that is reflected in the apostles words as they faced the end of thier body…. I believe that’s the door to the fathers house

“And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance; Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:5-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s something about hope that doesn’t end when our flesh dies , that nothing else in all creation can offer the spirit lives in us as we walk hone to the father of life into that glory just beyond the veil of death that all the world fears and runs away from but as Christians we should run into it when it is our time to go knowing Christ is waiting with open arms and that entrance into his heavenly kingdom

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I’m not following your scripture there or how it relates

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Paradise is empty, Hell is not....

God Bless!

to the thief on the cross

and paradise is empty ?

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:

for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems like paradise is being filled by those who accept the gospel and those who refuse are being led astray by this guy in the world

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17

hell isn’t empty I agree there but heaven isnt empty either we’re going one place or the other until things are restored

 

[Aaron56]

I’m not following your scripture there or how it relates

to the thief on the cross

and paradise is empty ?

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:

for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems like paradise is being filled by those who accept the gospel and those who refuse are being led astray by this guy in the world

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17

hell isn’t empty I agree there but heaven isnt empty either we’re going one place or the other until things are restored

I think he believes Paradise was an intermediary refuge for the righteous before the appearing of Christ. There, Death had a right to keep them because the keys of Death and Hell had not yet been handed over to Christ.

I think in this example, paradise is synonymous with Abraham's bosom.

To finish the topic, he likely believes paradise is now empty because Christ led the captives (of Death) into heaven as He ascended.

I haven't put much thought into this but the there is scriptural evidence for this summation.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

John 14:1
King James Version

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

I Interpret this as JESUS telling them that they believe In GOD whom they couldn’t see then believe In me who you can see.IOW,JESUS was demonstrating not only In words what the FATHER told HIM but he was actually visible to their eyes.

 

[Aaron56]

John 14:1
King James Version

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

I Interpret this as JESUS telling them that they believe In GOD whom they couldn’t see then believe In me who you can see.IOW,JESUS was demonstrating not only In words what the FATHER told HIM but he was actually visible to their eyes.

Agreed.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think he believes Paradise was an intermediary refuge for the righteous before the appearing of Christ. There, Death had a right to keep them because the keys of Death and Hell had not yet been handed over to Christ.

I think in this example, paradise is synonymous with Abraham's bosom.

To finish the topic, he likely believes paradise is now empty because Christ led the captives (of Death) into heaven as He ascended.

I haven't put much thought into this but the there is scriptural evidence for this summation.

Yes I’ve heard that before also

I see it like this man lost thier God given place in paradise with God in the beginning

“So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the gospel offers a reconciliation for man after we pass through the world

“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think you are referencing this

“And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:

the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things:

but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:22-23, 25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think that heaven is where believers wait like Abraham , and the thief and all these folks who overcome the world

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-10, 14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


hell is where the wicked wait after they serve the world like the rich man but in the end what is in heaven is going to come to earth including all those folks who are there

“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:2-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See how they first appear in heaven with Christ , being comforted and Cared for and later what’s in heaven comes down to earth and then they are cared for and the old thkngs are done death is gone away ?

I believe when we die we’re going to be with Christ in his heavenly kingdom until he restores all things upon his return to earth then we will receive our new body for the new earth but our spiritual body goes to heaven until this time like the thief we know his body died like Lazarus the beggar but both were alive in another place and Abraham was also there

“And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I believe we’re going to be received into heaven with him until the restitution comes but that’s just my belief I think paradise is the new Jerusalem in heaven now but will return to earth in the end when he restores all things including our bodies but we have a spiritual body that’s made for heaven until the last resurrection