Why did the Most High God create sin?

[Icedaisey]

Um what now ? No I’m looking at scripture

God is the beginning of all things

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods will for Mankind is here

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God created everything and then set mankind over the earth. Further he made man free and placed them in paradise with him

“And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:8, 16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Everything is right and good and Gods will is in place Mankind to rule the earth the created things. And man knows no shame in Gods presence

“And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬


but then, we see the root of the issue

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the result took man away from Gods Will for us remember he placed us in Eden , blessed us , gave us freedom and a commandment meant to keep us safe

now they listened to the serpent and this happens

“And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods will has now been corrupted and the result is this they are cursed and then expelled from paradise with God where he placed them in the beginning

“Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

sin was never Gods Will mans presence with him was Gods Will, man ruling the earth in his Will is the design not knowing evil but rather trusting Gods word of life

Ultimately I’m saying God didn’t create sin and never willed for man to sin or know evil Satan did that when he lied and deceived man and so

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the new heavens and earth are a different creation to come and. It the original creation that God created whomis before all things

the truth is God gave us freedom and dominion on earth and Satan deceived us and took dominion over man and so he led the world here

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭

Jesus tells a parable of this in the gospel

See there’s a reason that hell was created Satan led us astray in the beginning and we by ourselves God given freedom followed him.

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s because of what he did to lead Gods creation astray by deceiving mankind

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭

So the evil in the world is not of God

“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We corrupted the earth when we followed satans Will from the start the new creation will be free of all evil including its source who will be here for eternity

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


man had a place in creation and we failed in our estate is my point d brought all the evil and need for salvstion upon ourselves and now those who continue following satans will will follow him home those who repent will go
Into eternity with the lord

My prior post pertained to some of the observations you had made in your prior post, as I thought those were also derived from your understanding of the scriptures.

Thank you for this informative reply.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

My prior post pertained to some of the observations you had made in your prior post, as I thought those were also derived from your understanding of the scriptures.

Thank you for this informative reply.

yes I was only trying to clarify nothing more or less.

 

[rayzor]

God is not man or the son of man that he should repent.
Num 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

 

[randyk]

I once made that mistake at Madonna University playing Calvin in a debate.

I try to keep my head down low at all times!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God is not man or the son of man that he should repent.
Num 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

God speaks a commandment to
Man …..man breaks his commandment and provokes his wrath

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them:

they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses the man intercedes for thier transgression ….

“And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:14‬ ‭

we should be thankful that his longsuffering toward mans rebellion , allows his repentance or we’d be lost by our Will that continually provoked him he’s allowing us repentance

 

[FreeGrace2]

That is because you have adopted the new age religion script. Change it if you don't like it. Tickle my ears and tell me what I want to hear.
Read the Bibles..that is the research.

I have. Regularly.

Your choice to believe.

Your "claim" that translations since the 1960's are "new age religion" is preposterous and you haven't shown ANY proof of it.

So, where is your proof?

So far...all of them.

yeah, yeah. Claims, claims, claims.

Anyone can make a claim. The key is to provide evidence for your claim.

iow, take the KJV and the NKJV and show me where the new one is new age in comparison to the old one.

 

[SophieT]

All that have been reworded, we written, massaged, etc., under the umbrella that they are easier to read.
Hogwash.

There is only three things we need to know from scriptures to be eligible for eternal salvation (saved);
1 Repentance
2 Baptism
3 Live a righteous life according o God's commandments....some 50 + of them....when I last counted.
Who cannot understand that, in the 1611 KJV version of the Bible presented in a way that a child of 10 can understand.

this is not biblical

works do not save

you do work very hard to take the focus off Christ and do so in every thread you partake in

most children could not understand a KJ 1611 Bible as the English is archaic

 

[rayzor]

God speaks a commandment to
Man …..man breaks his commandment and provokes his wrath

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them:

they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses the man intercedes for thier transgression ….

“And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:14‬ ‭

we should be thankful that his longsuffering toward mans rebellion , allows his repentance or we’d be lost by our Will that continually provoked him he’s allowing us repentance

“And the Lord repented of the evil .[God the Father]is not the son of man = Jesus that he repents

 

[TMS]

To many minds the origin of sin and the reason for its existence are a source of great perplexity. They see the work of evil, with its terrible results of woe and desolation, and they question how all this can exist under the sovereignty of One who is infinite in wisdom, in power, and in love. Here is a mystery of which they find no explanation. And in their uncertainty and doubt they are blinded to truths plainly revealed in God's word and essential to salvation. There are those who, in their inquiries concerning the existence of sin, endeavor to search into that which God has never revealed; hence they find no solution of their difficulties.

It is impossible to explain the origin of sin so as to give a reason for its existence.
Yet enough may be understood concerning both the origin and the final disposition of sin to make fully manifest the justice and benevolence of God in all His dealings with evil.
Nothing is more plainly taught in Scripture than that God was in no wise responsible for the entrance of sin; that there was no arbitrary withdrawal of divine grace, no deficiency in the divine government, that gave occasion for the uprising of rebellion. Sin is an intruder, for whose presence no reason can be given. It is mysterious, unaccountable; to excuse it is to defend it. Could excuse for it be found, or cause be shown for its existence, it would cease to be sin. Our only definition of sin is that given in the word of God; it is “the transgression of the law;” it is the outworking of a principle at war with the great law of love which is the foundation of the divine government.

 

[rayzor]

To many minds the origin of sin and the reason for its existence are a source of great perplexity. They see the work of evil, with its terrible results of woe and desolation, and they question how all this can exist under the sovereignty of One who is infinite in wisdom, in power, and in love. Here is a mystery of which they find no explanation. And in their uncertainty and doubt they are blinded to truths plainly revealed in God's word and essential to salvation. There are those who, in their inquiries concerning the existence of sin, endeavor to search into that which God has never revealed; hence they find no solution of their difficulties.

It is impossible to explain the origin of sin so as to give a reason for its existence.
Yet enough may be understood concerning both the origin and the final disposition of sin to make fully manifest the justice and benevolence of God in all His dealings with evil.
Nothing is more plainly taught in Scripture than that God was in no wise responsible for the entrance of sin; that there was no arbitrary withdrawal of divine grace, no deficiency in the divine government, that gave occasion for the uprising of rebellion. Sin is an intruder, for whose presence no reason can be given. It is mysterious, unaccountable; to excuse it is to defend it. Could excuse for it be found, or cause be shown for its existence, it would cease to be sin. Our only definition of sin is that given in the word of God; it is “the transgression of the law;” it is the outworking of a principle at war with the great law of love which is the foundation of the divine government.

god made us fall so he could b god.

 

[TMS]

god made us fall so he could b god.

Not the God that i worship.
The God i worship is perfect and without any fault. The God i worship is unselfish Love. If this god you are talking about made us sin to gain our worship, that would mean all suffering is his fault for selfish gain.

 

[TMS]

Before the entrance of evil there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator's will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial.
The law of love being the foundation of the government of God, the happiness of all created beings depended upon their perfect accord with its great principles of righteousness. God desires from all His creatures the service of love—homage that springs from an intelligent appreciation of His character. He takes no pleasure in a forced allegiance, and to all He grants freedom of will, that they may render Him voluntary service.

 

[rayzor]

Before the entrance of evil there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator's will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial.
The law of love being the foundation of the government of God, the happiness of all created beings depended upon their perfect accord with its great principles of righteousness. God desires from all His creatures the service of love—homage that springs from an intelligent appreciation of His character. He takes no pleasure in a forced allegiance, and to all He grants freedom of will, that they may render Him voluntary service.

that would b

Before the entrance of evil there was peace and joy throughout the universe. All was in perfect harmony with the Creator's will. Love for God was supreme, love for one another impartial.
The law of love being the foundation of the government of God, the happiness of all created beings depended upon their perfect accord with its great principles of righteousness. God desires from all His creatures the service of love—homage that springs from an intelligent appreciation of His character. He takes no pleasure in a forced allegiance, and to all He grants freedom of will, that they may render Him voluntary service.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/why-did-the-most-high-god-create-

Not the God that i worship.
The God i worship is perfect and without any fault. The God i worship is unselfish Love. If this god you are talking about made us sin to gain our worship, that would mean all suffering is his fault for selfish gain.

Proverbs 16:4 – The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

“And the Lord repented of the evil .[God the Father]is not the son of man = Jesus that he repents

you are saying God is seperate from jesus ? And jesus had an occasion to repent ?

 

[rayzor]

you are saying God is seperate from jesus ? And jesus had an occasion to repent ?

water = ice = steam .......all the same but all different.

 

[CS1]

“And the Lord repented of the evil .[God the Father]is not the son of man = Jesus that he repents

I'm not sure but it seems you are saying Jesu is not God because he had to repent? please clarify?

 

[rayzor]

I'm not sure but it seems you are saying Jesus is not God because he had to repent? please clarify?

r their 3 gods or 1 god.We know Jesus does what the father tells him.It is written no one has ever heard the fathers voice.but the son of god has declared him.It is written this is my son in whom i am well pleased. So we know that's not the father but his mom the spirit.No i'm saying Jesus is not the father yet is

 

[Pilgrimshope]

water = ice = steam .......all the same but all different.

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when was Jesus born a son of man ? And what did Jesus repent of ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

r their 3 gods or 1 god.We know Jesus does what the father tells him.It is written no one has ever heard the fathers voice.but the son of god has declared him.It is written this is my son in whom i am well pleased. So we know that's not the father but his mom the spirit.No i'm saying Jesus is not the father yet is

Isn’t Jesus the one who had no sin to repent of ?

 

[rayzor]

Isn’t Jesus the one who had no sin to repent of ?

yes & no.It is written he became sin.