Why did the Most High God create sin?

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Have to asked why the new age religion bibles have been produced since the 1960's.
The answer is telling.
Are you saying that all translations since the 1960's are "new age religion"? All of them, or what %?
 
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If God created the new end and the earth, how was earth corrupted before God? How was there anything before the creator of all things?

Or are you implying earth was corrupted with God as witness? (Before, in front of, God?)

"Before man was created God had seperated good and evil." How did evil come to exist?
Evil had to exist so man would have to choose right or wrong......a choice...
 

Icedaisey

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Evil had to exist so man would have to choose right or wrong......a choice...
Why?

Why would we have to choose? In a world created and predestined by God when God is said to be all good and no evil dwells within him at all? 1 John 1
 
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FreeGrace2 said:
Are you saying that all translations since the 1960's are "new age religion"? All of them, or what %?
The research we are in the middle of is...all that have been reviewed. ...yes.
It is on going.
I'd need to see this research before I ever believe such a claim. I've been reading through the NT monthly for about 2 decades and I haven't seen any glimpse of new age religion.
 
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To what Bible versions do you refer?

All that have been reworded, we written, massaged, etc., under the umbrella that they are easier to read.
Hogwash.

There is only three things we need to know from scriptures to be eligible for eternal salvation (saved);
1 Repentance
2 Baptism
3 Live a righteous life according o God's commandments....some 50 + of them....when I last counted.
Who cannot understand that, in the 1611 KJV version of the Bible presented in a way that a child of 10 can understand.
 
May 22, 2020
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FreeGrace2 said:
Are you saying that all translations since the 1960's are "new age religion"? All of them, or what %?

I'd need to see this research before I ever believe such a claim. I've been reading through the NT monthly for about 2 decades and I haven't seen any glimpse of new age religion.

That is because you have adopted the new age religion script. Change it if you don't like it. Tickle my ears and tell me what I want to hear.
Read the Bibles..that is the research.
Your choice to believe.

So far...all of them.
 
Aug 20, 2021
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if 1 person lose's his soul then god has evil..that include the fallen angles.Not in John 1 that i know of.,,He did say all thing where created 4 his pleasure.& It is written that the wicked where created 4 the day of judgement.
 
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that 60 thing is the q rum stuff.Some is diff.. not all
 

Icedaisey

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All that have been reworded, we written, massaged, etc., under the umbrella that they are easier to read.
Hogwash.

There is only three things we need to know from scriptures to be eligible for eternal salvation (saved);
1 Repentance
2 Baptism
3 Live a righteous life according o God's commandments....some 50 + of them....when I last counted.
Who cannot understand that, in the 1611 KJV version of the Bible presented in a way that a child of 10 can understand.
Thank you for expounding on your prior post.
 

Icedaisey

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if 1 person lose's his soul then god has evil..that include the fallen angles.Not in John 1 that i know of.,,He did say all thing where created 4 his pleasure.& It is written that the wicked where created 4 the day of judgement.
Proverbs 16:4 "The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
 
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that 60 thing is the q rum stuff.Some is diff.. not all

We had a tremendous moral decline in the 60's which continues....even at a faster pace today...and the new age religion bibles since then is an attempt to modify scriptures as much as possible to support those new moral standards.

Witness.... on this site no one has addressed the biblical language which requires baptism. It is opposed but show me one valid scripture which shows that baptism is not necessary.

I am waiting.
 
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We had a tremendous moral decline in the 60's which continues....even at a faster pace today...and the new age religion bibles since then is an attempt to modify scriptures as much as possible to support those new moral standards.

Witness.... on this site no one has addressed the biblical language which requires baptism. It is opposed but show me one valid scripture which shows that baptism is not necessary.

I am waiting.
There's a baptism that every one misses that's the one 2 carry the cross.The bad guys seem 2 have used bible worship and r need 4 pride thus we don't need god if we have the book = bible
 
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If u think we had moral decline maybe?But before the Chinese ran over some students with a tank.r own national guard shot some student in the back in the 70s Kent state Mary Vechio i think...i think your right we have more tools 4 sin..yet the same like in the days of Noah.
 

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If God created the new end and the earth, how was earth corrupted before God? How was there anything before the creator of all things?

Or are you implying earth was corrupted with God as witness? (Before, in front of, God?)

"Before man was created God had seperated good and evil." How did evil come to exist?
Um what now ? No I’m looking at scripture

God is the beginning of all things

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods will for Mankind is here

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God created everything and then set mankind over the earth. Further he made man free and placed them in paradise with him

“And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:8, 16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Everything is right and good and Gods will is in place Mankind to rule the earth the created things. And man knows no shame in Gods presence

“And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬


but then, we see the root of the issue

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the result took man away from Gods Will for us remember he placed us in Eden , blessed us , gave us freedom and a commandment meant to keep us safe

now they listened to the serpent and this happens

“And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods will has now been corrupted and the result is this they are cursed and then expelled from paradise with God where he placed them in the beginning

Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

sin was never Gods Will mans presence with him was Gods Will, man ruling the earth in his Will is the design not knowing evil but rather trusting Gods word of life

Ultimately I’m saying God didn’t create sin and never willed for man to sin or know evil Satan did that when he lied and deceived man and so

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the new heavens and earth are a different creation to come and. It the original creation that God created whomis before all things

the truth is God gave us freedom and dominion on earth and Satan deceived us and took dominion over man and so he led the world here

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭

Jesus tells a parable of this in the gospel

See there’s a reason that hell was created Satan led us astray in the beginning and we by ourselves God given freedom followed him.

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s because of what he did to lead Gods creation astray by deceiving mankind

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭

So the evil in the world is not of God

“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We corrupted the earth when we followed satans Will from the start the new creation will be free of all evil including its source who will be here for eternity

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


man had a place in creation and we failed in our estate is my point d brought all the evil and need for salvstion upon ourselves and now those who continue following satans will will follow him home those who repent will go
Into eternity with the lord
 

Josefnospam

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why do you ask such a question God created evil Isaiah 45:67 KJV

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.

or dont you believe what God did