Rubbish. If that were true there would be no need for the Gospel. There would be no commandment to all men everywhere to repent.
Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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Rationalizing such things the way you are is futile and frankly unbecoming a Christian. You are wasting your time and will end up falling into a doctrinal ditch.
Oh no, its true, you and i were in Gods eternal purpose were either created for His purpose of mercy as vessels of mercy Rom 9:23 or created by him according to His purpose of wrath as vessels of wrath Rom 9:22, God alone determined that..
You give a lot of opinions. Do you have any facts? Yes, he was damned. But there are no verses that say he was chosen for damnaton.
If that was true, then God gave him an EXCUSE for ending up in hell. Is that your conclusion?
If man has no accountability, then it's all God's fault or doing. I can't believe how many Calvinists seem unable to figure that out.
FreeGrace2 said:
Please prove your claim. I can show you every verse that includes the purpose of election mentions service.
Where is the evidence for your claim that election is to salvation?
I ask for evidence and you respond with I can't receive it.
In EVERY verse you have shown, I've proven that you aren't reading it right.
So it's you who can't receive the truth.
You have a Calvinist agenda or bias. The Bible doesn't support/teach your agenda.
In EVERY verse where a purpose of election is mentioned, it is ALWAYS about service. ALWAYS.
So don't tell me that I don't 'receive Scripture'. You're the one who fights against the truth.
Please prove your claim. I can show you every verse that includes the purpose of election mentions service.
Where is the evidence for your claim that election is to salvation?
This is so funny.
I ask for evidence and you respond with I can't receive it.In EVERY verse you have shown, I've proven that you aren't reading it right.
So it's you who can't receive the truth.
You have a Calvinist agenda or bias. The Bible doesn't support/teach your agenda.
In EVERY verse where a purpose of election is mentioned, it is ALWAYS about service. ALWAYS.
So don't tell me that I don't 'receive Scripture'. You're the one who fights against the truth.
Seriously? I have already proven from Eph 1 that the "us" in v.4 refers to the "us who believe" in v.19. So using 1:4 to "prove" your claim about election being to salvation has already been shot down.
v.4 is about the FACT that "us who believe" have been chosen...to be holy and blameless. Which is also what "us who believe" have been called to.
Show me a verse that SAYS election is to or for salvation. But you can't. There aren't any.
Every "election" verse that mentions a purpose shows that it is for service.
Such teaching is mere puppetry or robotics. Both are rejected.
God created man with a conscience with which to make choices between good and bad. God is good and He has already revealed Himself, His existence and divine power and attributes through creation so that man is without excuse, so says Romans 1:19-21.
Why don't Calvinists believe what Paul wrote?
Only God can open your eyes to truth friend. I have given you ample scripture.FreeGrace2 said:
Please prove your claim. I can show you every verse that includes the purpose of election mentions service.
Where is the evidence for your claim that election is to salvation?
This is so funny.
In EVERY verse you have shown, I've proven that you aren't reading it right.
So it's you who can't receive the truth.
You have a Calvinist agenda or bias. The Bible doesn't support/teach your agenda.
In EVERY verse where a purpose of election is mentioned, it is ALWAYS about service. ALWAYS.
So don't tell me that I don't 'receive Scripture'. You're the one who fights against the truth.
Jesus tells us that if Tyre and Sidon would have had the works of Jesus in their day, they would have repented. Unconditional election is a false teaching. If the circumstances were different for Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented.
Matthew 11
20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
Election and mans willful rejection are both undeniably Scriptural. Accept this by faith. It is not one or another....it is BOTH. We cannot harmonize this....but we also must not deny it.
John 5:39-40
You diligently search the Scriptures because you think to have eternal life in them, and these are they bearing witness concerning Me; and you are not willing to come to Me, that you may have life.
Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And the one hearing, let him say, “Come!” And the one thirsting let him come; the one desiring, let him take freely the water of life.
Self-election is unscriptural. You did nothing to enable your first birth or your second. Your adoption was likewise completely beyond your purview or control.
God initiated every new creation in Christ by Himself for Himself. Same as any other creative act.