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Galatians 3:10 (NKJV)
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Galatians 3:10 (NKJV)
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
Galatians 5:2-4 (NKJV)
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
That is moving the goal post. We were talking about the "curse of the law".... and once a person under stands what that means and the word "redeem" means, it is clear that the penalties for breaking the law is what went away, not the law itself.
I have said on here many times that we aren't going to be able to keep the law perfectly.... that is why we require grace for salvation. However... our works should represent our faith. So we try our best to follow law out of love, honor, respect and trust in our Father.
I have said on here many times that we aren't going to be able to keep the law perfectly.... that is why we require grace for salvation. However... our works should represent our faith. So we try our best to follow law out of love, honor, respect and trust in our Father.
Isaiah 66
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Now the question is who change the sabbath of The LORD ...
Be reminded this verse is speaking upon new heavens and the new earth !!!
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Now the question is who change the sabbath of The LORD ...
Be reminded this verse is speaking upon new heavens and the new earth !!!
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Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The commandments of God never have change , if you have read Isaiah , then you understand that Paul was not writing against God sabbath , but wolfs have enter among you . Think about what Messiah taught when He stated the following ...
Matthew 24
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
I believe every Christian Chat member or online viewer should re-read those verses , these verses specifically are pointing the reader upon the end times events ...
Satan mission is to destroy not only those that keep the commandments of God , but decieve the gentiles that God commandments are obsolete ...
Messiah taught us to keep God commandment ...
Shalom
I believe every Christian Chat member or online viewer should re-read those verses , these verses specifically are pointing the reader upon the end times events ...
Satan mission is to destroy not only those that keep the commandments of God , but decieve the gentiles that God commandments are obsolete ...
Messiah taught us to keep God commandment ...
Shalom
This is getting very long and I am responding to other ppl on here as well, so I'm going to try to narrow this down more to the law and scriptures about it....
I've addressed Roman's 14 enough on this thread and don't want to keep going in circles. You can believe its not about fasting and apply the verses to other topics if you want. All I can do is suggest that you study more about the culture and people living in the area at the time... and start looking up these words in their original languages. You will begin to see that words like "law", "unclean", and so many others, have different words in greek or hebrew that were translated to the same word in English. You are mistaken if you think you can just pick up a Bible today, read it in English, and have a clear understanding of it.
You did the exact same thing with Mark 7 as you did with Romans 14. Mark 7 is a lot easier to know the context though because its right there at the beginning of the chapter:
Mark 7:1-5
7 The Pharisees and some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus. 2 They noticed that some of his disciples were eating with UNCLEAN hands, that is, without washing them. 3 (The Pharisees—and indeed all the Jewish people—don’t eat unless they wash their hands properly, following the tradition of their elders. 4 They don’t eat anything from the marketplace unless they dip it in water. They also observe many other traditions, such as the proper washing of washing cups, jars, brass pots, and dinner tables.) 5 So the Pharisees and the scribes asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders? Instead, they eat with unclean hands.”
Now the word "unclean" here in verse 2 is the same greek word used in Roman's 14:14. This is "unclean" according to man made laws, not God's law. The Pharisees were judging the disciples for not washing their hands. So when you get down to verse 18-23, this is talking about the body being able to clean out the dirt from unwashed hands... this is not giving people permission to break dietary laws. The right verse out of context though could probably make any sin acceptable.
I would't say the topic is simple, but I think its a lot more complex than it needs to be when so many are holding on to certain foundational falsehoods, traditions and ideologies that keep people from looking at information with an open mind.
I'm not sure... maybe holy days. I'm not understanding how this became about ceremonial law.... I was just speaking about the word "unclean" and how there are different greek words that are used in scripture when referring to man made laws and what is unclean to God.
Regardless, the bible contains error.... by definition, that makes it fallible.
God's Word (what He says) is infallible. The bible is not.
An error is an error, a contradiction is a contradiction.... both of these things prove the bible is not infallible. That does not mean there isn't a lot of truth in it. I believe a perfect God picked out the best imperfect people to be witnesses to Him and carry out His message.
I've addressed Roman's 14 enough on this thread and don't want to keep going in circles. You can believe its not about fasting and apply the verses to other topics if you want. All I can do is suggest that you study more about the culture and people living in the area at the time... and start looking up these words in their original languages. You will begin to see that words like "law", "unclean", and so many others, have different words in greek or hebrew that were translated to the same word in English. You are mistaken if you think you can just pick up a Bible today, read it in English, and have a clear understanding of it.
You did the exact same thing with Mark 7 as you did with Romans 14. Mark 7 is a lot easier to know the context though because its right there at the beginning of the chapter:
Mark 7:1-5
7 The Pharisees and some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus. 2 They noticed that some of his disciples were eating with UNCLEAN hands, that is, without washing them. 3 (The Pharisees—and indeed all the Jewish people—don’t eat unless they wash their hands properly, following the tradition of their elders. 4 They don’t eat anything from the marketplace unless they dip it in water. They also observe many other traditions, such as the proper washing of washing cups, jars, brass pots, and dinner tables.) 5 So the Pharisees and the scribes asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders? Instead, they eat with unclean hands.”
Now the word "unclean" here in verse 2 is the same greek word used in Roman's 14:14. This is "unclean" according to man made laws, not God's law. The Pharisees were judging the disciples for not washing their hands. So when you get down to verse 18-23, this is talking about the body being able to clean out the dirt from unwashed hands... this is not giving people permission to break dietary laws. The right verse out of context though could probably make any sin acceptable.
I would't say the topic is simple, but I think its a lot more complex than it needs to be when so many are holding on to certain foundational falsehoods, traditions and ideologies that keep people from looking at information with an open mind.
I'm not sure... maybe holy days. I'm not understanding how this became about ceremonial law.... I was just speaking about the word "unclean" and how there are different greek words that are used in scripture when referring to man made laws and what is unclean to God.
Regardless, the bible contains error.... by definition, that makes it fallible.
God's Word (what He says) is infallible. The bible is not.
An error is an error, a contradiction is a contradiction.... both of these things prove the bible is not infallible. That does not mean there isn't a lot of truth in it. I believe a perfect God picked out the best imperfect people to be witnesses to Him and carry out His message.
I don't believe this has to do with belonging to the Christian religion... and for those that I believe have the law written on their hearts and minds, I believe they will be keeping many of the laws without knowing they are laws, and would eventually recognize the truth in the other laws when their time comes.
You are correct about 2 Peter not saying that "the majority"... i think I was mixing that passage up with "the whole world being deceived" or something of the sort. My beliefs on Roman's 14 remain the same... fasting, and being judged based off of man made laws.
No... My belief is that the way to recognize a false prophet is by whether or not they are teaching against the Fathers law. I believe in the Messiah because I believe he followed the Fathers law and taught how it was always MEANT to be kept. There are some weird things that make me unsure about Paul that I'm still researching, but for the most part I just believe his writings are just greatly misinterpreted in modern Christianity. But yea, IF I did come to the conclusion that he was teaching that the law no longer applied, to me that wouldn't align with the other NT scriptures and of course the OT... and then I would look at him as a false prophet.
When I am speaking of God's "laws", I am speaking of all instructions from the Father. Of course all laws weren't given for all people at all times. Noah was instructed to build the boat, that is not a "law" that we ever have to deal with. But there were laws specific to men, some specific to women, priests..... some for certain people at certain times.... and some to carry out throughout the generations forever. I do believe the dietary laws are still in effect today though.
You are correct about 2 Peter not saying that "the majority"... i think I was mixing that passage up with "the whole world being deceived" or something of the sort. My beliefs on Roman's 14 remain the same... fasting, and being judged based off of man made laws.
No... My belief is that the way to recognize a false prophet is by whether or not they are teaching against the Fathers law. I believe in the Messiah because I believe he followed the Fathers law and taught how it was always MEANT to be kept. There are some weird things that make me unsure about Paul that I'm still researching, but for the most part I just believe his writings are just greatly misinterpreted in modern Christianity. But yea, IF I did come to the conclusion that he was teaching that the law no longer applied, to me that wouldn't align with the other NT scriptures and of course the OT... and then I would look at him as a false prophet.
When I am speaking of God's "laws", I am speaking of all instructions from the Father. Of course all laws weren't given for all people at all times. Noah was instructed to build the boat, that is not a "law" that we ever have to deal with. But there were laws specific to men, some specific to women, priests..... some for certain people at certain times.... and some to carry out throughout the generations forever. I do believe the dietary laws are still in effect today though.
