Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?
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I did not ever state Concordance are perfect.
Are you aware of the purpose of a Concordance in Bible studies?
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Are you aware of the purpose of a Concordance in Bible studies?
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Well yeah, Jesus called it EVERLASTING punishment and gave a perfect example of someone who died and is burning in the fire but still alive.
"The rich man also died"
"being in torments"
"he cried"
"I am tormented in this flame"
"this place of torment"
Luke 16:22-28 (NKJV)
22 The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' 27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
"The rich man also died"
"being in torments"
"he cried"
"I am tormented in this flame"
"this place of torment"
Luke 16:22-28 (NKJV)
22 The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' 27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
Again, everyone in this thread understands that punishment is everlasting. The punishment is death not torture.
You are still confusing fire of hades with the fire of the lake of fire. The two places are very different. You will never understand his topic until you understand those places and their differences.
You are still confusing fire of hades with the fire of the lake of fire. The two places are very different. You will never understand his topic until you understand those places and their differences.
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Nor do yours.
The verse DOES NOT say "they" in manuscripts. It only says devil is " tormented day and night forever and ever"
You are playing word games. The rich man WAS NOT in lake of fire nor had judgment day even taken place yet. Don't you understand that judgment day and people cast into lake of fire happens AFTER the Millennium? It did not take place when Jesus told this story. The rich man was tormented in flame in Hades, a waiting place for the unsaved dead BEFORE the future judgment day. You need to stop misusing the story of the rich man because it doesn't help your argument about the lake of fire.
The verse DOES NOT say "they" in manuscripts. It only says devil is " tormented day and night forever and ever"
You are playing word games. The rich man WAS NOT in lake of fire nor had judgment day even taken place yet. Don't you understand that judgment day and people cast into lake of fire happens AFTER the Millennium? It did not take place when Jesus told this story. The rich man was tormented in flame in Hades, a waiting place for the unsaved dead BEFORE the future judgment day. You need to stop misusing the story of the rich man because it doesn't help your argument about the lake of fire.
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