Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

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God brags about Satan? Scripture please:
Job 41:10
None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?[Me = Jesus]Dare stir him = devil up]
 

Icedaisey

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u see the devil was listing in the back ground as god was talking 2 job
 
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Satan is the most wicked being ever, and you ask why Satan is bad?No the harlot is the harlot of rev is sin it's a virus it's simple and knows nothing.Think he who sins is a slave 2 sin.im not here for whole but the sick.
 

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Satan is the most wicked being ever, and you ask why Satan is bad?No the harlot is the harlot of rev is sin it's a virus it's simple and knows nothing.Think he who sins is a slave 2 sin.im not here for whole but the sick.
Satan was there in the Garden urging Adam to sin. He started this mess we live in. He tried to get Jesus to sin. I vote for Satan as the most wicked being ever.
 
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It is not Satan to whom the verse refers.

lol hippo our some other animal like an alligator.Dinosaur.Kind off the tangent for god.These anamial r not more powerful then mans weapons of iron.but this creature laughs at iron as if it where staw.
 

Duckybill

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It is not Satan to whom the verse refers.

lol hippo our some other animal like an alligator.Dinosaur.Kind off the tangent for god.These anamial r not more powerful then mans weapons of iron.but this creature laughs at iron as if it where staw.
Which verse are you referring to?
 
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Satan was there in the Garden urging Adam to sin. He started this mess we live in. He tried to get Jesus to sin. I vote for Satan as the most wicked being ever.Isaiah 45:7 It is written I make peace & create evil i the lord do these things
 
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Do i need to keep refreshing the page to get the new posts or is there a better way, a setting or something ?
 
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Even though nearly every English Bible says the Devil will be "tormented day and night forever and ever"?

See, you got it right, forever and ever!

Vague at best.

The rich man was alive in the fire. He was not destroyed. That's why Jesus warned us of EVERLASTING fire! BILLIONS of humans will certainly wish they would be destroyed. But they won't. They will be in the worst prison that ever existed with the worst beings who ever lived, the Devil and his angels, with no parole!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Keep reading. In Revelation 20:14-15, anyone not found in the book of life is given the second death.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The devil, beast, false prophet, the rich man, and everyone else will be put to death if they are not found in the book of life. I think where you're getting hung up is you're reading things like "eternal fire" and believing that means eternal torment.

You would need to prove that the soul is indestructible, which it isn't. God can destroy both soul and body on hell.

There is a big case to make for cessation of life in hell. Annihilation cures many biblical contradictions that those who espouse eternal torment hold, such as receiving eternal life in hell

Jesus said only the righteous receive eternal life, pro-eternal torment people say everyone in hell lives forever. Clearly Jesus is correct so this isn't debatable.

Did you know that "eternal" and "forever" are sometimes used in non-literal ways in the Bible? There are some excellent posts about that somewhere in this thread.
 
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Do i need to keep refreshing the page to get the new posts or is there a better way, a setting or something ?
Not sure what issues you are having. Usually go by the "pages" indicator at the top or bottom of a page. (My apologies, sounds confusing even to me :)).
 
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Not sure what issues you are having. Usually go by the "pages" indicator at the top or bottom of a page. (My apologies, sounds confusing even to me :)).
Thanks, yes i see what you mean about pages, i'm only getting notified when i'm quoted and i keep forgetting to refresh, but no worries i'm sure i'll get used to doing it
 

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Keep reading. In Revelation 20:14-15, anyone not found in the book of life is given the second death.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The devil, beast, false prophet, the rich man, and everyone else will be put to death if they are not found in the book of life. I think where you're getting hung up is you're reading things like "eternal fire" and believing that means eternal torment.

You would need to prove that the soul is indestructible, which it isn't. God can destroy both soul and body on hell.

There is a big case to make for cessation of life in hell. Annihilation cures many biblical contradictions that those who espouse eternal torment hold, such as receiving eternal life in hell

Jesus said only the righteous receive eternal life, pro-eternal torment people say everyone in hell lives forever. Clearly Jesus is correct so this isn't debatable.

Did you know that "eternal" and "forever" are sometimes used in non-literal ways in the Bible? There are some excellent posts about that somewhere in this thread.
Death does not mean "cease to exist".

"The rich man also died"
"being in torments"
"he cried"
"I am tormented in this flame"
"this place of torment"

Luke 16:22-28 (NKJV)
22 The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' 27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
 

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Death does not mean "cease to exist".

The second death and destruction in the lake of fire does mean to cease to exist.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
 

Duckybill

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The second death and destruction in the lake of fire does mean to cease to exist.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Psalms 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
OT does not overrule NT. Unless you're Jewish. "Everlasting", "eternal" and "forever and ever". The rich man DIED!

"The rich man also died"
"being in torments"
"he cried"
"I am tormented in this flame"
"this place of torment"

Luke 16:22-28 (NKJV)
22 The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' 27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'
 

Duckybill

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Actually both verses from NT and OT are in harmony so your post makes no sense.
The rich man died and was alive in the fire. You no case! Death does not mean "cease to exist".

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.