Eat My Flesh <> Drink my Blood

[HisKid]

yes, it is by grace through faith, but the context of the Lord's Supper doesn't save you. Eat my flesh drink my blood is not something that is done even spiritually.

You do know that anytime someone says "but", it means ignore everything I just said because this is what I really believe.

We absolutely partake in the Lord's body and blood spiritually.. If you do not accept His broken body and His shed blood, then you are not in the beloved.

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[PennEd]

Never listen to anyone who tells you that you can lose your salvation. = Never belong to a "church" that has this as their doctrine, and their pulpit preaches this lie to you.

Never listen to anyone who tells you this....>"'""you are going to sin, so expect it......as that is just how it will be"""".

So.........Why is it important to never listen to a deceived carnal denier of the Power of God's Redemption?
Why is is so important to KNOW who you have become as a "New Creation",= "the righteousness of God in Christ"?
Its because when you BELIEVE the Truth, you have Knowledge of it, and the Knowledge of the truth, sets you free.

Reader........Its not the Truth that sets you free....Its having the correct KNOWLEDGE of it, that is the Key to Truth setting you free.

Here is a truth for you...
What you believe, is what you will become.
If you BELIEVE that you are a " saved sinner", who is going to sin sometimes, then that is your FAITH.
Jesus said, you will have what you BELIEVE. So, if a minister of the devil has you believing that you are SUPPOSED TO SIN AND CONFESS,.....IF THEY CAN Get you to BELIEVE it, the that is now become your FAITH, and your Faith will come to pass for as long as you believe it.

"""well, all my life i was taught i was supposed to sin and confess,....... to expect this, so, all my life i DID"...

See that?
Thats the power of BELIEVING wrong.
When you believe it, it will happen, .... Jesus is not kidding.

Words are spiritual power, and faith is really going to happen, when you believe it.

So, reader, get your FAITH RIGHT, and learn to only see yourself as "made righteous", as God has recreated you to be...as a "new creation" "in Christ".....>"One with God". = BELIEVE THIS TRUTH.......Let this KNOWLEDGE become your FAITH as you are supposed to believe it..
When you do that, you step out of failed discipleship and you begin to live where Correct FAITH takes you...which is here....."Christ always gives me the VICTORY">.

I think I'm onboard with what you are saying. But it does sound a little like the doctrine of sinless perfectionism. Which is different than saying we have the power to deny sin.

 

[CS1]

IN John 6,
= Jesus The Christ talks about eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
And this verse regarding most believers is just seemingly impossible to figure out, because this verse is spiritually discerned, only.
So, i'll show you how to SEE this verse, and its really very simple according to the spiritual principle of "rightly dividing".



First, ... as Jesus is talking about this, He prefaces it by saying....."the flesh profits nothing".
So, right here, Jesus is showing you that what He's talking about and will explain can't be understood logically......as He explains it this way......"my words are spirit and truth".
And what is he talking about?
He's telling you that "the natural mind receives not the things of God, as they are spiritually discerned."".

You do know that anytime someone says "but", it means ignore everything I just said because this is what I really believe.

We absolutely partake in the Lord's body and blood spiritually.. If you do not accept His broken body and His shed blood, then you are not in the beloved.

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NO, first off you don't know what I believe and secondly, I ain't a fan of allegorizing scripture to suggest others are not diserning.
This type of eliciting of scriptures is nothing new.


IF one has issues with What Jesus said in context to the last supper or Lord's Supper Paul in 1Corinthains 11:20-23 was greatly discerning of that very meal. I am sure Paul was far more understanding than us here.


20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.


Three very important discernments that was not covered in the very thread :

1. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
2. he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
3. this cup is the new testament in my blood:


The Lord delivered to us the two elements of the church that we use to remember the arrangement ( New Testament) God made for us to be free from sin. This is to be done reverently yet Jesus will have those wounds on and his Body for eternity as witnesses of HIS eternal Love and life. That is what was delivered to us. That is why we eat and drink in remembrance of Him and the hope and faith in HIS soon return. the death burial and resurrection.

 

[HisKid]

IN John 6,
= Jesus The Christ talks about eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
And this verse regarding most believers is just seemingly impossible to figure out, because this verse is spiritually discerned, only.
So, i'll show you how to SEE this verse, and its really very simple according to the spiritual principle of "rightly dividing".



First, ... as Jesus is talking about this, He prefaces it by saying....."the flesh profits nothing".
So, right here, Jesus is showing you that what He's talking about and will explain can't be understood logically......as He explains it this way......"my words are spirit and truth".
And what is he talking about?
He's telling you that "the natural mind receives not the things of God, as they are spiritually discerned."".


NO, first off you don't know what I believe and secondly, I ain't a fan of allegorizing scripture to suggest others are not diserning.
This type of eliciting of scriptures is nothing new.


IF one has issues with What Jesus said in context to the last supper or Lord's Supper Paul in 1Corinthains 11:20-23 was greatly discerning of that very meal. I am sure Paul was far more understanding than us here.


20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.


Three very important discernments that was not covered in the very thread :

1. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
2. he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
3. this cup is the new testament in my blood:


The Lord delivered to us the two elements of the church that we use to remember the arrangement ( New Testament) God made for us to be free from sin. This is to be done reverently yet Jesus will have those wounds on and his Body for eternity as witnesses of HIS eternal Love and life. That is what was delivered to us. That is why we eat and drink in remembrance of Him and the hope and faith in HIS soon return. the death burial and resurrection.

You ain't a fan? Me, neither.

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[Blik]

This comment isn't really relevant to the OP, is it? How do you appear different from your unsaved neighbor?

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If you follow scripture with absolute faith in all it says, you do not follow that to show love you must tolerate sin. Sex is "the two become one", not lust. The family is defined by God, not by the media. You know that God is a personal God, not an energy force. You listen to what Christ has to say about murder when you live in the kingdom and not of the world. It means taking scripture seriously with faith in it and not take the worldd's flesly view of things.

 

[HisKid]

If you follow scripture with absolute faith in all it says, you do not follow that to show love you must tolerate sin. Sex is "the two become one", not lust. The family is defined by God, not by the media. You know that God is a personal God, not an energy force. You listen to what Christ has to say about murder when you live in the kingdom and not of the world. It means taking scripture seriously with faith in it and not take the worldd's flesly view of things.

Many worldly people live lives that resemble a "Christian" life, so how are you distinguished among them?

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[Aaron56]

the Lord's Supper was not a normal staple, the bread was unleavened because it was Passover. This was very symbolic as leaven = sin.

Where does it say it must be unleavened?

 

[CS1]

Where does it say it must be unleavened?

the scripture tells us was pass over Jesus was Jew on Passover he ate unleavened bread except for that night as HE said He would not eat.

I did not say IT must be unleavened bread.

 

[Aaron56]

the scripture tells us was pass over Jesus was Jew on Passover he ate unleavened bread except for that night as HE said He would not eat.

I did not say IT must be unleavened bread.

Correct.

After His resurrection and the Emmaus walk.

“When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them.”

 

[HisKid]

the scripture tells us was pass over Jesus was Jew on Passover he ate unleavened bread except for that night as HE said He would not eat.

I did not say IT must be unleavened bread.

The actual moderators might be interested to know that you presented yourself as a moderator to intimidate a poster. Should I report you? What say you?

 

[Blade]

Hi I can agree in part...somethings you said.. maybe worded wrong but.. I've never heard of before.. not in the word. Thanks...

As for telling others who not to listen to what Church they should stay away from...maybe let them pray seek ask the lord.. since they are His kids and what He has started in them He will finish..Hes really good at what He does..there is no one better. Might be surprised at where He sends you, places you.

 

[surfer14]

I've always thought the bread and wine were symbolic. But lately I am wondering why most of his disciples left him after He said eat my flesh and drink my blood. If Jesus just meant it as symbolism, then why did so many leave Him? If it was a misunderstanding, then why would Jesus allow so many people to depart from the way over a big misunderstanding? If it's just symbolic, then why would it be described as a "hard teaching"? I admit that I've just kind of breezed over those verses until lately. Anyone have any good explanations?

 

[Blik]

Many worldly people live lives that resemble a "Christian" life, so how are you distinguished among them?
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Scripture tells us we are to distinguish them by the love they show for each other. Some Christians forget this and get hate for sin mixed up with love of people, but it is a mark of Christ within us to love. Marriage becomes making the well being of their partner the same as their own well being. Each Christian uses their life in service to God and others.

Another way of identifying a Christian is in the company they choose as the ones they love to keep. Christians don't go to movies, sport events, lurid books, etc. for excitement. They find their God and living for God more exciting and satisfying.

This way of living Christian works for good living, so non believers copy it, but it is always true of the Christian.

 

[Blik]

I've always thought the bread and wine were symbolic. But lately I am wondering why most of his disciples left him after He said eat my flesh and drink my blood. If Jesus just meant it as symbolism, then why did so many leave Him? If it was a misunderstanding, then why would Jesus allow so many people to depart from the way over a big misunderstanding? If it's just symbolic, then why would it be described as a "hard teaching"? I admit that I've just kind of breezed over those verses until lately. Anyone have any good explanations?

We are not to look at the flesh of the symbols but at what they symbolized. Even the symbols had great power in the old testament, and it wasn't in the flesh of the symbols but the power was in the spirit.

Blood of animals were symbols of Christ's blood and worked to save the saints for when Christ made it a reality. As they sacrificed these symbols of Christ and asked for forgiveness of their sin through that sacrifice, they didn't even realize the great significance of those symbols.

Our Lord is mighty, and obedience has power, even when that obedience is blind and only based on trust in our Lord.

 

[phil36]

I've always thought the bread and wine were symbolic. But lately I am wondering why most of his disciples left him after He said eat my flesh and drink my blood. If Jesus just meant it as symbolism, then why did so many leave Him? If it was a misunderstanding, then why would Jesus allow so many people to depart from the way over a big misunderstanding? If it's just symbolic, then why would it be described as a "hard teaching"? I admit that I've just kind of breezed over those verses until lately. Anyone have any good explanations?

Hi surfer,

I think you are referring to John 6:53-57.

52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” - John 6:53-58.

At the beginning of the chapter we have the feeding of the 5 thousand.. the same crowds (vv24-25) where looking for another physical meal (V27)

Here Jesus is referring to Spiritual food. We can see this further down in ch6:" The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life ". The manna prefigured the true bread from heaven, the bread that if you eat it (figuratively) you will live forever (V58).

You asked " If Jesus just meant it as symbolism, then why did so many leave Him? If it was a misunderstanding, then why would Jesus allow so many people to depart from the way over a big misunderstanding? ".

The answer to this is found in the text itself, particularly in V64 -65.

Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

It's a hard teaching because it's a spiritual teaching (V58), the unregenerate man cannot understand spiritual things: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit - 1 Corinthians 2:14 NIV."

So when it comes to the Lords supper/Eucharist the same principle applies it has a spiritual meaning it is symbolic of the life giving faith we have in Christ, and his finished work.

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” - John 6:58.

 

[CS1]

The actual moderators might be interested to know that you presented yourself as a moderator to intimidate a poster. Should I report you? What say you?

please report me if you like. YOu have already said you were leaving in a different thread and attacked the site too, I have made the recommendation and we shall see if I was lying to you.

 

[HisKid]

please report me if you like. YOu have already said you were leaving in a different thread and attacked the site too, I have made the recommendation and we shall see if I was lying to you.

You really should be the one who is banned for presenting yourself as a moderator when you clearly are not and then proceeding to attempt to harass people. If it isn't obvious to you, your opinion means nothing. And as a side note, your grammar and spelling are atrocious. Did you even graduate high school?

One more question.. do you claim to be a born-again believer?

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[tourist]

You do know that anytime someone says "but", it means ignore everything I just said because this is what I really believe.

We absolutely partake in the Lord's body and blood spiritually.. If you do not accept His broken body and His shed blood, then you are not in the beloved.

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I learned in a previous job by an engineer that 'but' means - beneath the underlying truth. Generally, that word, at least for me, has negative connotations.

 

[CS1]

You really should be the one who is banned for presenting yourself as a moderator when you clearly are not and then proceeding to attempt to harass people. If it isn't obvious to you, your opinion means nothing. And as a side note, your grammar and spelling are atrocious. Did you even graduate high school?

One more question.. do you claim to be a born-again believer?

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again I am a moderator, you can ask the founder if you like. As far as my spelling goes you are correct it is bad and has been so for something.

Mainly due to military disability I have from serving 20 years, but I don't ever tell anyone I just press on .

Yes, I did graduate and have a college degree and a minister of the gospel and director for a school district in CA.
In fact, I was just selected as Educator of the year for SY 2021-2022 and I won Praise God huh?


Now I will go to the California Department of Education (CDE) as the finalist to be the educator of the year for the whole state All Glory to God.

And guess what? my spelling and grammar has not stopped me from teaching thousands how to read and write

Thank you for amplifying those disabilities I do ecknowelage I have, as my God has promoted me in more ways than one .

Thank you Jesus

 

[HisKid]

again I am a moderator, you can ask the founder if you like. As far as my spelling goes you are correct it is bad and has been so for something.

Mainly due to military disability I have from serving 20 years, but I don't ever tell anyone I just press on .

Yes, I did graduate and have a college degree and a minister of the gospel and director for a school district in CA.
In fact, I was just selected as Educator of the year for SY 2021-2022 and I won Praise God huh?


Now I will go to the California Department of Education (CDE) as the finalist to be the educator of the year for the whole state All Glory to God.

And guess what? my spelling and grammar has not stopped me from teaching thousands how to read and write

Thank you for amplifying those disabilities I do ecknowelage I have, as my God has promoted me in more ways than one .

Thank you Jesus

I guess anyone can be a moderator, then. I'll submit my application.

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