Winning the battle : Victory

[de-emerald]

"Praise your maker" >by not contradicting His Gospel of Grace with your legalism on a public Christian Forum.

Start there.

Your calling people who have a dissagreement with you a leagalist,, thats a form of leagalism by its own merit.
Youve even got into your head that God will win all your battles,, will he also bless this attitude your displaying. ? do you not think you have gone to extreme in your belief, ?

 

[de-emerald]

Your false accusations are just as false as you are....

You post no quote, as there are none........So, you just insinuate, as this is the deed of the dishonest.
Do you see yourself darkly highlighted by your own behavior?
Its clear as a crystal and rings like a bell as your character.
Believe it.

I told you this is how you have behaved with so many people who have engaged with you, with extreme extremism, but you're too far gone with your affliction you don't even see it, and you have no second thought before you write what you write, Again you're using heresy as a smoke screen to really insult people with, and no one is even committing heresy in this thread. Or legalism.

 

[Absolutely]

OSAS...... this idea, was originally created by a Cross denying heretic, who was led of the devil to teach that God's Grace is : "license to sin".
Many became this heretic's disciples.
So, you can see that the Devil would teach such a anti-Christ, doctrine., as the devil wants Christ off the Cross and you up on it trying to save yourself or keep yourself saved.

Lol
Basic christianity is getting on the cross.
The death of the believer.
Not a popular truth.
Thats the thing friend.
That bible will at some point offend,... and ruin the doctrines men teach.

It was once said ,"religion is 'hanging around the cross' , true christianity is getting on it"

The death of the believer is pauline power point.
Declared in baptism and in pauls own testimony.

I guess paul " picking up his cross" was a heretical belief he one day denounced?

See how we stumble at basic truth?

 

[de-emerald]

OSAS...... this idea, was originally created by a Cross denying heretic, who was led of the devil to teach that God's Grace is : "license to sin".
Many became this heretic's disciples.
So, you can see that the Devil would teach such a anti-Christ, doctrine., as the devil wants Christ off the Cross and you up on it trying to save yourself or keep yourself saved.

Do you have that view of everyone who believes in once saved always saved

 

[Kidron]

Most believers are battling their sinful flesh.
This puts you under the law, and the power of sin is the law, so.......you are in that spiritual war which is a curse to you, and you will lose.
This is why sinning and confessing keeps happening, year after year.
So, you have to get out of that war, as you are not supposed to be in that war.
Paul told you to realize that your FLESH, .....which is your "old man", is crucified with Christ.'

Let me show you something.

If you put on the flesh, ....which is the belief that you have to try to be good to stay saved, or to try to be good to stay in fellowship with God , then you are existing outside of the Grace of God, as this....>"apart from me you can do nothing"....Jesus said.
If you end that wrong mind, which is to try by self effort to be accepted by God.... then you have put on the armor of God and the battle is won., as you then are existing "under Grace" as your discipleship and faith.
So, to win the battle that is the real battle..... is not to try to do by self effort what God has already provided you as His Grace.
When you stop trying to be good to be accepted and live in the real faith that understands you are this...>"the righteousness of God in Christ", then you have put on the armor of God., (the renewed mind) and that creates this for you......>"Christ always gives me the Victory".

 

[Absolutely]

Most believers are battling their sinful flesh.
This puts you under the law, and the power of sin is the law, so.......you are in that spiritual war which is a curse to you, and you will lose.
This is why sinning and confessing keeps happening, year after year.
So, you have to get out of that war, as you are not supposed to be in that war.
Paul told you to realize that your FLESH, .....which is your "old man", is crucified with Christ.'

Let me show you something.

If you put on the flesh, ....which is the belief that you have to try to be good to stay saved, or to try to be good to stay in fellowship with God , then you are existing outside of the Grace of God, as this....>"apart from me you can do nothing"....Jesus said.
If you end that wrong mind, which is to try by self effort to be accepted by God.... then you have put on the armor of God and the battle is won., as you then are existing "under Grace" as your discipleship and faith.
So, to win the battle that is the real battle..... is not to try to do by self effort what God has already provided you as His Grace.
When you stop trying to be good to be accepted and live in the real faith that understands you are this...>"the righteousness of God in Christ", then you have put on the armor of God., (the renewed mind) and that creates this for you......>"Christ always gives me the Victory".

Prayer is self effort
Water baptism is self effort
Worship is self effort
Determination to walk holy is self effort
Witnessing is self effort.
Giving money or poseesions is self effort.
Obedience is self effort.
Initial salvation is self effort.

Think " motive"
You are assuming any self effort is to "keep SALVATION"

NO....almost nobody does the no brainer works of our walk to KEEP salvation.

So you are just ASSUMING a misplaced ascribed MOTIVE.

It would be better to ask a follower of Jesus " are you doing that to get saved?"...( or stay saved)

90 % of believers know things dont save, Jesus does.

 

[Kidron]

Your calling people who have a dissagreement with you a leagalist,,

Not at all.
You are just confused.

What you are not realizing is that im making the distinction between wrong faith and real faith.
That's all im doing, as its by understanding what is REAL faith, that the self deceived and come out of it, or not.
This is defined by each person's explanation of their faith, or its proven by their RESISTANCE to the Grace of God, as they try to deny it, and replace it, with their own version of "how i go to heaven".
This is ; Legalism.
The legalist, will talk about these below as what they are DOING to try to get into heaven, or to "stay Saved".

1. Water Baptism
2. Commandments
3. Law
4. Self effort
5. Sacraments - Eucharist
6. Mary
7. Enduring to the end
8. Everything else that is on your list of "Do's and Dont do's.
9. Your Church
10. Pre-destination

 

[Kidron]

Prayer is self effort
Water baptism is self effort
Worship is self effort
Determination to walk holy is self effort
Witnessing is self effort.
Giving money or poseesions is self effort.
Obedience is self effort.
Initial salvation is self effort.
.

The first 7 on your list would be DISCIPLESHIP that you are to do, after you are saved, but not to try to stay saved.

Your #8, is heresy...... "initial salvation is self effort", as you are confusing "faith", with Salvation.

Let me explain.

Faith, is not the savior.
Why?
Because God saves you through Faith.
God is the Savior, not faith.

Salvation is not what you perform, its what God gives you, as "the gift of Salvation".
You do not work for a GIFT.
You only receive it. = "the GIFT of salvation".

 

[Kidron]

Do you have that view of everyone who believes in once saved always saved

Is the blood of Jesus a part time atonement?

Is "eternal life"..... temporary?

When Paul teaches that "Christ having obtained ETERNAL Redemption for us, through His Blood".....
Is Paul teaching that "eternal" means,.....temporary?

Let me explain Legalism, as a theology.
Here it is..

"Jesus started your salvation, but now you do the rest to try to stay saved.......best of luck and work hard".

See that?
That is HERESY, as its "another gospel".... Galatians 1:8

 

[Absolutely]

Most believers are battling their sinful flesh.
This puts you under the law, and the power of sin is the law, so.......you are in that spiritual war which is a curse to you, and you will lose.
This is why sinning and confessing keeps happening, year after year.
So, you have to get out of that war, as you are not supposed to be in that war.
Paul told you to realize that your FLESH, .....which is your "old man", is crucified with Christ.'

Let me show you something.

If you put on the flesh, ....which is the belief that you have to try to be good to stay saved, or to try to be good to stay in fellowship with God , then you are existing outside of the Grace of God, as this....>"apart from me you can do nothing"....Jesus said.
If you end that wrong mind, which is to try by self effort to be accepted by God.... then you have put on the armor of God and the battle is won., as you then are existing "under Grace" as your discipleship and faith.
So, to win the battle that is the real battle..... is not to try to do by self effort what God has already provided you as His Grace.
When you stop trying to be good to be accepted and live in the real faith that understands you are this...>"the righteousness of God in Christ", then you have put on the armor of God., (the renewed mind) and that creates this for you......>"Christ always gives me the Victory".

"""When you stop trying to be good to be accepted and live in the real faith that understands you are this.."""

Ok ...there is a basic mis understanding.

Think "family"
Your child messes up.
Do they stop being your child?
Same with God. We belong in the family. Salvation is ADOPTION.
(POSITIONAL)
BLOOD OF JESUS IS THE REDEMPTION. THE PURCHASE.

It never stops working.

Now...in the family is where we OPERATE. We can be pleasing or an offence IN THE FAMILY.
( NOT a saved vs unsaved dynamic)

Osas is a half truth.

 

[Kidron]

I told you this is how you have behaved with so many people who have engaged with you,

If you feel insulted, then stop denying the Grace of God.
Then we can agree.

 

[Kidron]

Lol
Basic christianity is getting on the cross.

If you are on the cross, then Christ isn't dying on it for you, and didnt.

wake up.

 

[HisKid]

Thank-you for taking your time to write this and reminding us of what is good, Please let me give you some advice, from reading many of your threads you seem to be at war and have not let go of bad ideology and doctrines you have become engaged in. In many threadS gone by you always seem to be lecturing somebodies point of view or somebodies ideology, This comes from what you believe to be true has been challenged in the past, and no matter what you say to prove your point of view, the opposing party to your view has not agreed, what happens then is one of two things, either you accept certain people will not agree with you, and you move on, or you never move on, and the disagreement become stuck, and it becomes an inflicted wound.



When it becomes an inflicted wound, the danger is that wound can become a hindrance to your walk, whereby all you ever think about is the need to prove you are right. You then can fall into a trap that I must prove this wrong, wrong and prove right, right, I'll tell you why this is not a good place to be, once you become inflicted this way. Because our adversary wants us to prove wrong, wrong and right, right, in an endless religious argument, our adversary loves a religious argument, To our adversary it doesn't matter whether what you argue about being right, our adversary is just happy he's got you into an argumentative state of mind, where no doubt despite how much good you speak his evil will still be mentioned over and over again

I could swear you were looking into a mirror when you wrote this.

 

[Kidron]

"""When you stop trying to be good to be accepted and live in the real faith that understands you are this.."""
Ok ...there is a basic mis understanding.
Think "family"
Your child messes up.
Do they stop being your child?
Same with God. We belong in the family. Salvation is ADOPTION.
(POSITIONAL)
BLOOD OF JESUS IS THE REDEMPTION. THE PURCHASE.

It never stops working.
.

OSAS has nothing to do with what you said..

OSAS, is the false idea that teaches that some teach that God's Grace is License.

OSAS isn't the teaching of GRACE, its teaching against it.


Let me show you what i mean.

Look at this reality......."The same blood of Jesus that saved you, always keeps you saved".

So, that is "Grace".

If i said....>"the blood of Jesus does not keep you saved"< then im teaching OSAS., as this teaching is to DENY the Blood of Jesus as eternal salvation.

 

[Absolutely]

The first 7 on your list would be DISCIPLESHIP that you are to do, after you are saved, but not to try to stay saved.

Your #8, is heresy...... "initial salvation is self effort", as you are confusing "faith", with Salvation.

Let me explain.

Faith, is not the savior.
Why?
Because God saves you through Faith.
God is the Savior, not faith.

Salvation is not what you perform, its what God gives you, as "the gift of Salvation".
You do not work for a GIFT.
You only receive it. = "the GIFT of salvation".

really?
I do not pray in initial salvation.

It is like you think the entire christian walk, including initial salvation will work if i have no brain function.

No sir. He will not override my WILL in initial salvation.

The command is answered "BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus...and you will be saved."
....or not answered

Initial salvation is an act of my will ( the effort of my self to pray and believe, or to even come to him)
Self effort.

THEN...AFTER THAT SELF EFFORT...your dynamic kicks in.
( that would be His acceptance and work and adoption and cleansing, and clothed in righteousness)...things HE DOES...NOT ME OR ANY EFFORT.

 

[de-emerald]

I could swear you were looking into a mirror when you wrote this.

no i was giving good sound advice that was all.

 

[Absolutely]

OSAS has nothing to do with what you said..

OSAS, is the false idea that teaches that some teach that God's Grace is License.

OSAS isn't the teaching of GRACE, its teaching against it.


Let me show you what i mean.

Look at this reality......."The same blood of Jesus that saved you, always keeps you saved".

So, that is "Grace".

If i said....>"the blood of Jesus does not keep you saved"< then im teaching OSAS., as this teaching is to DENY the Blood of Jesus as eternal salvation.

osas is what is said by those who die and go to heaven.
It is THEIR TRUTH.
THEY were once saved always saved.
That is WHY it is a half truth

 

[Kidron]

really?
I do not pray in initial salvation.

Praying can be done by a Hindu to a cow.
A European Pagan prays to Trees and to "mother Earth".

Are they SAVED BY THEIR PRAY? ARE THEY GOING TO HEAVEN. ?

So, its not the pray of faith that saves you...>Its the God who answered it, who saved you, ..

 

[Kidron]

osas is what is said by those who die and go to heaven.
It is THEIR TRUTH.

That would be Jesus, Paul, and all true believers.

Jesus actually believes that He is the Savior, and that all who come to Him shall "never perish".

its unfortunate that many who say they belong to Him, (fakirs, liars, and the devil's ministers) want to deny Him the credit for keeping the born again, eternally saved.
I dont think He is very happy with them.
As a matter of fact, He said that HE is coming back to burn them , in fire and vengeance, because they "do not obey the Gospel"...
Thats 2 Thessalonians 1 8-9.
And so, THANK GOD im not in this world telling people, christians, or anyone, in public, that God'd blood, as Christ on the Cross, does not keep them saved, as i dont want to be the one that receives 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.

Imagine if you had died for the sin of the world, and the very one's you saved or those who are not born again, now run around in public talking about ...>"Jesus does not keep you saved, He only starts your salvation.......now....RIP Jesus down off the nails, and you get up there and start saving YOURSELF"....

See that?
These so called "christians" infect forums with their Cross denying gospel of "self saving".
They are a CANCER on the body of Christ.

I will never do that.
I know better then to be one of those..
Believe it.

 

[New_Day]

OSAS...... this idea, was originally created by a Cross denying heretic, who was led of the devil to teach that God's Grace is : "license to sin".
Many became this heretic's disciples.
So, you can see that the Devil would teach such a anti-Christ, doctrine., as the devil wants Christ off the Cross and you up on it trying to save yourself or keep yourself saved.

Who is this heretic?

Curious, I have not heard of this before.