Winning the battle : Victory
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If i said....>"the blood of Jesus does not keep you saved"< then im teaching OSAS., as this teaching is to DENY the Blood of Jesus as eternal salvation.
I am not getting this statement
once saved always saved, it does not deny the blood of Jesus?
I am not getting this statement
once saved always saved, it does not deny the blood of Jesus?
OSAS, is this idea.........was created to teach this.....
= "the person is teaching that once you are saved, you can do anything you want to do and still be saved"..
In other words, its the heretic who believes you can lose your salvation, who does not believe that Jesus's blood keeps you saved, created the idea that is """you are teaching that you can't lose your salvation, you are teaching "license to sin", and they called it....OSAS.
And they say......"that person is teaching "cheap grace". OR. OSAS.
So, OSAS, is "eternal security"........but, this phrase was created to make you try to think that Grace is License to Sin.
See, if the heretics can make you think that God's Grace is a license to sin, then you wont be able to understand God's Grace, which is the blood of Jesus that always keeps you saved.
Heretics do not want you to believe this....
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I think I see what you are stating.
I need to think on it and get back to you.
Well I do not know the person's motive's for coining the phrase but surely no one can out sin grace and no one need's a license to sin, sin already occurs with or without a license.
I do agree that those who preach "conditional security" will resort to language like "license to sin" as a way to demean God's grace.
I would like to know who the heretic is, I did a quick search on Google and nothing plausible came up, I like to research for myself, can you PM me ( am not able to) if you do not want to say publically which I totally understand.
I need to think on it and get back to you.
Well I do not know the person's motive's for coining the phrase but surely no one can out sin grace and no one need's a license to sin, sin already occurs with or without a license.
I do agree that those who preach "conditional security" will resort to language like "license to sin" as a way to demean God's grace.
I would like to know who the heretic is, I did a quick search on Google and nothing plausible came up, I like to research for myself, can you PM me ( am not able to) if you do not want to say publically which I totally understand.
I have no name for you, as this assault on GRACE was happening to Paul and Jude talked about it.
These same accused Paul of teaching that we should sin so that grace would cover it.
So this hatred of Grace, has been around for 2000 yrs.
I relate it to the "spirit of anti-Christ". and the "enemies of the Cross".
How can it not be?
That is exactly what the devil does, using his ministers.
Let me show you what will happen.
I can post a THREAD, that says......>"once you are born again, you are always born again".........or i can post a Thread that says....>"The blood of Jesus that saved you, always keeps you saved".
Then, 5 people will show up in less then 20 mins, who say........"you are teaching License to sin".. "you are teaching "Cheap Grace".
Then, one of them will write a Thread.....> "OSAS, is a LIE"........and the other 4 heretics, who all probably go to the same church, will keep bumping that Thread for 60 pages.
I bet this has happened here many times.. because it happens on every Christian forum.
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I completely agree and I am sure it has.
Your prior post seemed to allude to a particular person, however the "license to sin" attack on grace began in Paul"s time and we read it in Romans 3:8
And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just. (NKJV)
Your prior post seemed to allude to a particular person, however the "license to sin" attack on grace began in Paul"s time and we read it in Romans 3:8
And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just. (NKJV)
Thats the verse.
So, at some point, 2000 yrs ago, the devil put the idea of ......."how can we change the grace of God, into something that sounds like its WRONG" = "cheap grace".....>"License to sin"...
2000 yrs later...... its like spiritual mold......its black and its everywhere.
Here are a few ways to discern a heretic.
I posted a Thread about this entitled ""Dark Lights"".
Here is how to find them.
1. Do they believe and teach that "you can lose your salvation".......as that is a total denial of the Cross of Christ as being Salvation.
So, what they are saying is.......>The Cross isn't enough". "The blood of Jesus isn't enough".
"""Look at my self righteous LIST....... i have a LIST for you.........and on it, are all the things you have to DO to Stay saved, and keep yourself from losing your salvation.""
JUDE teaches that this is a heretic replacing the real Gospel.
Paul says these heretic sare "subverted within themselves".
2. Most Heretics are not familiar with Paul. So most live in .........Matthew.........James..........and Hebrews.......or the Old Testament.
So, at some point, 2000 yrs ago, the devil put the idea of ......."how can we change the grace of God, into something that sounds like its WRONG" = "cheap grace".....>"License to sin"...
2000 yrs later...... its like spiritual mold......its black and its everywhere.
Here are a few ways to discern a heretic.
I posted a Thread about this entitled ""Dark Lights"".
Here is how to find them.
1. Do they believe and teach that "you can lose your salvation".......as that is a total denial of the Cross of Christ as being Salvation.
So, what they are saying is.......>The Cross isn't enough". "The blood of Jesus isn't enough".
"""Look at my self righteous LIST....... i have a LIST for you.........and on it, are all the things you have to DO to Stay saved, and keep yourself from losing your salvation.""
JUDE teaches that this is a heretic replacing the real Gospel.
Paul says these heretic sare "subverted within themselves".
2. Most Heretics are not familiar with Paul. So most live in .........Matthew.........James..........and Hebrews.......or the Old Testament.
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If i said....>"the blood of Jesus does not keep you saved"< then im teaching OSAS., as this teaching is to DENY the Blood of Jesus as eternal salvation.
I am not getting this statement once saved always saved, it does not deny the blood of Jesus?
I am not getting this statement
once saved always saved, it does not deny the blood of Jesus?
That has never been the debate
It is osas. " covenant"
The issue is , can the covenant be broken
God says yes
God says, "NO"
John 6:39
This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
John 6:39
This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
That is clear.
Jesus says " i will spew you out of my mouth"
paul says in romans " if i cut them (jews) off , i could also cut you off as well"
Heb 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Read the 7 letters to the 7 churches.
" repent...or else!"
John 10:27-28
But some will depart and break covenant.
They leave his hand voluntarily
That has happened millions of times
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For me, the debate is way different.
Osas would be an issue only for those nominal believers.
They would operate under condemnation thinking they could have lost their salvation.
At that point the sinful carnal christion can take in osas as a placebo to erase SOME OF the condemnation that sinful walk guarantees. Condemnation is their "pay". Osas is a relief.
So osas is rooted in carnality.
A whit hot believer, walking on the spirit, then sinning....well it breaks their heart. They are desperate to retriebe their lost romance with Jesus.( not even close to losing salvation..not even a sliver) what they lost was their intimacy.
See that????
Salvation? Salvation lost????
Not even in the same ball park.
The error is in not walking in intimacy.
Intimacy is not salvation.
It is John with head on Jesus breast listening to to heartbeat of God.
No woman can put her head to my breast. Only my wife.
Why?
Because of a piece of paper?
No
Intimacy....only reserved for my wife....no other woman.
It appalls me that the walk of the believer would have at it's crossroad an osas debate.
We are all called FAR BEYOND THAT SHALLOW DYNAMIC.
Intimacy has within its core a ASSURANCE of salvation.
Osas is rediculous at that point.
It is like " huh? You are parked there?"
But at the same time, i hate the thought of ANYONE trapped into "I think i lost my salvation"
That is tragic and if i can help them i will. To destroy condemnation.
Osas would be an issue only for those nominal believers.
They would operate under condemnation thinking they could have lost their salvation.
At that point the sinful carnal christion can take in osas as a placebo to erase SOME OF the condemnation that sinful walk guarantees. Condemnation is their "pay". Osas is a relief.
So osas is rooted in carnality.
A whit hot believer, walking on the spirit, then sinning....well it breaks their heart. They are desperate to retriebe their lost romance with Jesus.( not even close to losing salvation..not even a sliver) what they lost was their intimacy.
See that????
Salvation? Salvation lost????
Not even in the same ball park.
The error is in not walking in intimacy.
Intimacy is not salvation.
It is John with head on Jesus breast listening to to heartbeat of God.
No woman can put her head to my breast. Only my wife.
Why?
Because of a piece of paper?
No
Intimacy....only reserved for my wife....no other woman.
It appalls me that the walk of the believer would have at it's crossroad an osas debate.
We are all called FAR BEYOND THAT SHALLOW DYNAMIC.
Intimacy has within its core a ASSURANCE of salvation.
Osas is rediculous at that point.
It is like " huh? You are parked there?"
But at the same time, i hate the thought of ANYONE trapped into "I think i lost my salvation"
That is tragic and if i can help them i will. To destroy condemnation.