Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

[1ofthem]

Many muslims have read the quran and become christian. jacky chan is a great example. i love his sermons. he even preaches live on the streets in the middle east to muslims. he can get through to them better because he knows the quran.

I was told to fully get to know my enemy By God and God told me to read the quran so i did. God showed me many passages how satan decieves in the quran,. ive allready expained that here, if you and others dont want to accept that explanation and keep wanting to deny that what i was asked to do by God was wrong thats your choice. Gods uses people and speaks to people in diffrent ways. what God asked me to do and how much faith he Gives me to endure, may be diffrent than what he asks others to do, and how much faith he gives others may be less to.

The fact is there is billions of muslims being decieved by the quran and they need saving just as much as anyone here needs saving.

Oh and the quran is evil your right about that.

de-emerald I do really like you and am not trying to be rude here.

The thing is though. If you start reading the Quran and then start questioning scripture or even infer in the least, that the Devil wrote any part of the Word of God...It's time to put the Quran away. FOR REAL!

 

[Rolly]

I can understand your point and have heard this reasoning all of my life...but what I'm saying is the Scripture is more than able to defend it's self.

All false religions are easily refuted by the Word of God.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.


All you really have to do, is use the Sword of Spirit and it will do the rest.

My reasoning is valid as is your position, I’m not disputing your approach, different strokes for different folks, just so were clear, I’m not diminishing the superiority of the Holy Spirit, and that his words can and does flow from our mouths as and when He wishes, my sword works just fine lol, but the Lord also gave me a few talents that I prefer not to bury.

 

[posthuman]

A sword is not a majic wand to be waved around like a stick.

It is to be used skillfully, with practice, training, and respect.

@1ofthem

What I mean is, I think we've both seen plenty of examples of two people shaking verses at each other furiously, to no effect, because neither one of them knows that those passages are really for..

If that makes sense?

Much love

 

[1ofthem]

A sword is not a majic wand to be waved around like a stick.

It is to be used skillfully, with practice, training, and respect.

Yeah, I agree with you. I'm trying to talk on the phone and type at the same time...and not doing too well with it

 

[1ofthem]

@1ofthem

What I mean is, I think we've both seen plenty of examples of two people shaking verses at each other furiously, to no effect, because neither one of them knows that those passages are really for..

If that makes sense?

Much love

No worries. I know exactly what you me and I agree with you.

 

[Rolly]

My reasoning is valid as is your position, I’m not disputing your approach, different strokes for different folks, just so were clear, I’m not diminishing the superiority of the Holy Spirit, and that his words can and does flow from our mouths as and when He wishes, my sword works just fine lol, but the Lord also gave me a few talents that I prefer not to bury.

Wow don’t you just hate it when you re-read your post and it’s sounds like your an arrogant tool. Ermm my bad

 

[1ofthem]

Wow don’t you just hate it when you re-read your post and it’s sounds like your an arrogant tool. Ermm my bad

lol.. You're fine though. I didn't think it sounded like you were being arrogant or a tool.

 

[posthuman]

Wow don’t you just hate it when you re-read your post and it’s sounds like your an arrogant tool. Ermm my bad

Yeah that's me, too, constantly =/

I have a friend who almost never says anything because of that kind of thing
I think she's much wiser than me, even tho keeping silent can be a fault too

 

[Rolly]

Yeah that's me, too, constantly =/

I have a friend who almost never says anything because of that kind of thing
I think she's much wiser than me, even tho keeping silent can be a fault too

We need friends like that tho every Nemo needs a Dory,
That’s why God gifted me with my beautiful wife, we’re I’m brash and opinionated she’s the perfect counterpoint of demure and approachable, thank the Lord for his wisdom.

 

[de-emerald]

de-emerald I do really like you and am not trying to be rude here.

The thing is though. If you start reading the Quran and then start questioning scripture or even infer in the least, that the Devil wrote any part of the Word of God...It's time to put the Quran away. FOR REAL!

the word of God is not evil. the word of satan is. the word of satan is clearly in Job 1 and that word should not be defended. your infering somthing else of me. i showed you all in this thread many many times where Jesus God does not defend Satans word. way befor i even mentioned the quran. all your actually doing now is discrediting the truth thats been shown to you all over and over again by persisting with talking about the quran. Ive lost count of how many times the word of satan has been defended here despite Jesus showing otherwise quite clearly from Jesus. ive lost count of the miss repersentations of me here as well. one after the other. question after question deny after deny ,put down after put down rant after rant. defending satan over and over again. honestly this can only come from being fooled by satan and combining his word with Gods word.

 

[azsheepdog]

I tried to read the OP, but the multitudinous spelling and usage errors made it too irritating to continue. How hard is it to spell correctly? Doesn't anyone use a dictionary anymore? Even the thread title is badly flawed; it's two distinct questions written as one sentence, with no intervening punctuation.

Please, de-emerald, put a little effort into learning to write the English language properly. If nothing else, read your Bible, and emulate what you find written therein.

Indeed, that was my first thought. I could not finish reading the OP. Moving on..

 

[1ofthem]

the word of satan is clearly in Job 1 and that word should not be defended. your infering somthing else of of me. i showed you all in this thread many many times

I disagree, you have not shown or proven to me in the least that Satan wrote Job 1.

all your actually doing now is discrediting the truth thats been shown to you all over and over again by persisting with talking about the quran. Ive lost count of how many times the word of satan has been defended here despite Jesus showing otherwise quite clearly from Jesus. ive lost count of the miss repersentations of me here as well. one after the other. question after question deny after deny ,put down after put down rant after rant. defending satan over and over again. honestly this can only come from being fooled by satan and combining his word with Gods word

I'm not trying to misrepresent you. I'm just disagreeing with you.

I'm definitely not in anyway defending Satan.

Yet, how many times have you tagged me and everyone else here and misrepresented everyone on your list by statements like you attached to the end of this post.

I actually felt sorry for you and was just trying to help you out at the beginning of this thread. Then somehow got tagged into this madness.

I'm finished with it and really don't want any part of this conversation. So un-tag me.

 

[Rolly]

the word of God is not evil. the word of satan is. the word of satan is clearly in Job 1 and that word should not be defended. your infering somthing else of me. i showed you all in this thread many many times where Jesus God does not defend Satans word. way befor i even mentioned the quran. all your actually doing now is discrediting the truth thats been shown to you all over and over again by persisting with talking about the quran. Ive lost count of how many times the word of satan has been defended here despite Jesus showing otherwise quite clearly from Jesus. ive lost count of the miss repersentations of me here as well. one after the other. question after question deny after deny ,put down after put down rant after rant. defending satan over and over again. honestly this can only come from being fooled by satan and combining his word with Gods word.

Ok mate, I came late to this party so forgive me for missing this verse, that you say were Satan is talking and being defended, that Jesus does not, please don’t post another novella just the verse in question and a brief description of your concern.
Thank you

 

[AandW]

This is the problem i have andy, is i can not accept God allows suffering for so long befor he puts an end to it especially from the hands of those suffering at the hands of demons. I really cant accept this, it really is like rubbing salt into my wounds. My biggest reason i cant accept this, is because ive seen demons at work with my on eyes, causing deliberate shame on a person, causing trouble, tempting a person into harms way (ive seen them wisper in a persons ear. tempting a person to harm them selfs or tempting a person to do something dangerous. plus ive seen them seperate friendships. ive seen there mental abuse close with my own eyes. and the misery they can bring to a person, not to mention the look of pure evil in there eyes.

So when i read peter and it says many christians are suffering at the hands satan. and then peter says after you have suffered a while God will restore you, i take that to mean satan will cause a christian to suffer a while, not God will only allow satan to do so much.

Job is but one example. God might allow something to happen so it causes one to put Faith into God. Whatever [Reason] God chooses to go about doing His Will, He will do so.

 

[presidente]

Has anyone tried to understand and answer this 'word salad' of a poll question yet?


Is it possible that the lies of satan have tricked people in our bible, about how God is in person

 

[presidente]

I have many more perspectives on this based on scripture by Jesus that anything that suggests God allows demons to torment people is a false miss repersentation of God by a demon.

Maybe you did not word things the way you meant, but your statement is wrong here. If God did not allow demons to torment people, no demons would ever torment people. We can see that demons tormented people in the New Testament.

 

[de-emerald]

I disagree, you have not shown or proven to me in the least that Satan wrote Job 1.

9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

theese are the clear words of satan. if ive said satan wrote this some where that is not what i ment to say. what i have said is how come we should believe this clear word of satan. and also what i have said here, who ever wrote this down at the time of writing it was have they been decieved or left something out ?. Then i asked who is the author of Job, (nobody truly knows) Then i asked is it possible there is missing interpretation here in Job 1. Then i said the word of satan needs to be examined. to see if God does what satan asks him to. somebody made a valid point that maybe God was tempting satan. which maybe God was testing satan thus god was showing us somthing. but i find that hard to believe also. and so this one of those topics. people have a hard time agreeing upon. i searhed the internet on Job 1 years ago and found many people had many diffrent views on it, and didnt know who was the author.
somebody else made the point that Job was a deep sea scroll found in the water. which also needs to be questioned. because deep sea scrolls can fade in writing. and thus maybe could be miss translated. thus there is a few times over history where mankind has decided what books in bibles should be aloud and what shouldnt be. like the great protestant reformation.
Or the catholic book the douay rheims. The word of God has clearly been seperated many times through out history. personaly i do have a hard time understanding the old testerment.

I'm not trying to misrepresent you. I'm just disagreeing with you.

I'm definitely not in anyway defending Satan.

Yet, how many times have you tagged me and everyone else here and misrepresented everyone on your list by statements like you attached to the end of this post.

I actually felt sorry for you and was just trying to help you out at the beginning of this thread. Then somehow got tagged into this madness.

I'm finished with it and really don't want any part of this conversation. So un-tag me.

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade @Rolly @Nehemiah6 @presidente @posthuman @Kidron @azsheepdog, Hi all to the new members here thanks for your input so far on this thread, ive told you so many times when i tag you all im not saying your all miss repersenting me or your all denying Jesus. Im asking you what you feal about the miss repersention about me and Jesus and the clear blatant attempts to cast doubt on me so far through out this thread, i may not have worded that correctly to which i apolagize. obviously youve all replied to this thread and im tagging you all to ask your thoughts on how you feal about theese responces. and allso my responces. hence the reason for the poll.

seeing as this is a poll i think its best to get more than one oppinion for the purpose of the poll.

And when i tag you all and say your ranting and playing Games with the word of God it is not addressed to you all. im asking all your opinions on the rants (doubts) being made from the beginning of this thread, from individual people. maybe rant is a harsh word to which i mean Doubt, but some of the members involved in this thread have cast wrong doubt on me many times in other threads. and denied the truth many times. And a few members in this thread have found fault in a lot of threads i have started when they could have been a bit more polite.

I am sorry if this thread has caused you any upset. truly i am sorry for that.

 

[de-emerald]

Job is but one example. God might allow something to happen so it causes one to put Faith into God. Whatever [Reason] God chooses to go about doing His Will, He will do so.

The will of our father is for all to be saved, you know this andy. we ourselfs also have a will. The most respect i have for Gods will is the fact that Jesus would never bow down to satan or give him an inch or do anything he was asked to do by satan. (you know if satan gets an inch he takes a mile) Then theres Jesuses will and spirit for standing firm in this belief. Then theres the belief that grows with this will, where will and faith and belief and light combine to cast out demons.

This is a part of Gods will i truly respect and look upto. I ware this faith inside my body like a cloak i will never take it off. My will and faith has grown strong because of this. In this last week alone my body has cast out a demon more than a hundred times andy. (seariously)

the light that is in my body has prevented a demon jumping into me hundreds of times. and bounced it away hundreds of times (i feal the reflection and see its dark color as its bounced. my body feals it imediately and bounces it. The demon is always trying to get into my ear or my eye, and everytime it tries. there is a flash of light from my body thats lets me know its there and shoots it. really andy im being serious here and telling you the truth.

Demons do not obey God and as written in bible they are here to wickedly tempt Gods children and wickedly accuse Gods children day and night.

Ive lost count on the times this demons has tried to get me smoke a cigarette this week also(to which i havent faultered) . to which i know theres a reason for that. the reason is andy is my body bounces demons away so easylily when i dont smoke. and when i do smoke my body my body doesnt, only i know that diffrence of course, but it is the truth.

 

[Rolly]

Hi as to this verse
9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

The answer is that it doesn’t matter if you or I or anyone else believe that Satan lied or that the author lied or that the author or writer or printer were possessed at the time they wrote it.
Because no matter our personal thoughts we MUST acknowledge the Holy Spirit wrote every single word, full stop and hyphen, this is the meaning of inspired that every single word and is meaning is correct and included for a reason, we may not understand the reasons or why any text is written the way it is, or exactly what is meant in every word, but the premise is the same, the Bible CANNOT contain error, because God wrote it, and God is PERFECT, Perfect doesn’t leave room for mistakes. So if there is in our minds something that looks wrong or like it’s a lie, it can ONLY be because WE don’t understand it’s mystery NOT because God made or allowed a mistake in his word to happen, because if there is a mistake then the mistake was intended so cannot actually be a mistake anyway.

This is why everyone here cannot explain or agree or comprehend or understand your questions they all resist your thoughts and explanation because to them ALL your positions are an IMPOSSIBILITY, for every single one of them fundamentally believe that God is perfect. and that every single word, verse and grammatical punctuation in scripture is God Breathed.

 

[de-emerald]

Hi as to this verse
9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

The answer is that it doesn’t matter if you or I or anyone else believe that Satan lied or that the author lied or that the author or writer or printer were possessed at the time they wrote it.
Because no matter our personal thoughts we MUST acknowledge the Holy Spirit wrote every single word, full stop and hyphen, this is the meaning of inspired that every single word and is meaning is correct and included for a reason, we may not understand the reasons or why any text is written the way it is, or exactly what is meant in every word, but the premise is the same, the Bible CANNOT contain error, because God wrote it, and God is PERFECT, Perfect doesn’t leave room for mistakes. So if there is in our minds something that looks wrong or like it’s a lie, it can ONLY be because WE don’t understand it’s mystery NOT because God made or allowed a mistake in his word to happen, because if there is a mistake then the mistake was intended so cannot actually be a mistake anyway.

This is why everyone here cannot explain or agree or comprehend or understand your questions they all resist your thoughts and explanation because to them ALL your positions are an IMPOSSIBILITY, for every single one of them fundamentally believe that God is perfect. and that every single word, verse and grammatical punctuation in scripture is God Breathed.

Hi hope you dont mind i would like to hear everybodies thoughts on your reply that all scripture been wrote by the holy spirit. @Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade @Rolly @Nehemiah6 @presidente @posthuman @Kidron @azsheepdog hi to everyone again.


2 Timothy 3:16
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Here we see it says all scripture is God approved but it doesnt say all scripture was wrote by the holy spirit.


King James Version
Timothy 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


Ok so what does it mean to study and rightly devide the truth ?

Acts 17:11 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Hi hopeyou dont mind i would like to hear everybodies thoughts on your reply.

Ok what does this mean to study the word of God to see if what paul has wrote is true.

Ok so as ive quoted in the previous post. I researched Job 1 years ago and found many dissagreement. some being who was the author of Job is there missing interpretation. Is job 1 completely true of God. has somebody been decieved. is Job 1 lost sea scrolls. did moses write it. on and on.

Ok this does not mean i agree upon all theese beliefs that where invented way befor i studied Job 1.

Lastly ive stated we do have to examine job 1 to see if it is true of God,,,, based on this scripture

Acts 17:11 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true