Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

[de-emerald]

Hi dear christian and brother and sisters around the world, I would like to dispute this matter because i feal this is the biggest missing link in our bible, to understanding scripture, and sorting out so much confussion, please also let me apolagize for any hurt this may cause you. At this moment i would like to say the bible warns us of many lies, and so for that reason there is many lies in our bible. but is there missing interpretation of those lies ?

In todays modern age as well of lot of you may know, there are endless sermons from preachers, telling us they hear the enemy wispering in there ear, trying to decieve there thoughts as well as so many christians complaining of being tormented by demons around the world, and quite a lot of christians in this very forum have opened up and told us how demons have tormented them. In a forum like this it takes courage to open up and confess you are being tormented by a demon because some people will use scripture that says God approves this but does he ?.

For some reason and im not completely sure why but christians seem to have got it into there head that a christian can be spiritualy oppressed and its not from God, but yet somehow fail to recognise that may have been happening in the bible too, where there is scripture indicating God has allowed a demon to torment someone. Hardly anybody will say quite possibly that person was being decieved in the bible.

In those times of the old testermnet where people as spiritualy aware as they are now and could they have been tricked by a decieving demon into believing they where being tormented by demons on the authority of God. ?

If scripture said in the bible for every curse written concerning a demon, i had a demon attacking me saying he was from God would you believe it ?

At this moment i am not going to apply any scripture that suggests that this is what demons do, im going to share my heart instead. We now live in an age where people are more spiritualy aware because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe now the reason why people have spiritual receptors to know they are being tormented by demons is because they have recieved the holy spirit. Which is something they never had in the old testerment.


Again without quoting any scripture at this moment There are endless accounts of Jesus telling us exactly what he thought about demons, how they could decieve us and what we must do to over come there torment.

Obviously if demons revealed there true intent of a person there tormenting they wouldnt be able to get a hold on a person and bring there lie into the world or rule a person. Again im not going to post any scripture at the moment that clearly suggest demons need a person to be in fear to rule them but share my heart.

The fear of death would have been more frightening in acient times and something we all have to go through. Thankfully modern day hospitals can ease the pain when the race we run in life is coming to an end in this world. We can die in a more gracefull state of mind. Thankfully to not as many people are forced into decissions theese days on the bases of being killed if they dont. but in the old days the a lot of those deaths people suffered to force a new law was brutal in acient times. I feal strongly that the fear of death is a big reason why people believe in haste, where by the wrong perception is believed in a hurry and out of panic.
perhaps this is also a favorite plot from demons.

One scripture im going to apply at this moment spoken from Jesus to a demon was Get away from me i never knew you. This is hardly fitting with God allowing demons to torment people as that would suggest Jesus does know them and interacts witht them on a personal bases. I have many more perspectives on this based on scripture by Jesus that anything that suggests God allows demons to torment people is a false miss repersentation of God by a demon. Demons in my oppinion have assainated the character of God the father God the son and our holy spirit in our bible.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

If you are referring to Matthew 7:23 "Depart from me I never knew you"
Jesus was speaking to people there, not demons.

 

[Dino246]

I tried to read the OP, but the multitudinous spelling and usage errors made it too irritating to continue. How hard is it to spell correctly? Doesn't anyone use a dictionary anymore? Even the thread title is badly flawed; it's two distinct questions written as one sentence, with no intervening punctuation.

Please, de-emerald, put a little effort into learning to write the English language properly. If nothing else, read your Bible, and emulate what you find written therein.

 

[SomeDisciple]

I dont see the issue...I mean, the oldest booking the bible is Job, yeah? And it clearly shows 'discourse' between God and Satan, where satan gets permission to torment Job. Fast forward to Jesus- taken into the wilderness by the Spirit specifically to be tempted by Satan. Jesus taught the disciples about Satan- he saw him fall from heaven like lightening- he clearly knows him.

 

[Runningman]

Hi dear christian and brother and sisters around the world, I would like to dispute this matter because i feal this is the biggest missing link in our bible, to understanding scripture, and sorting out so much confussion, please also let me apolagize for any hurt this may cause you. At this moment i would like to say the bible warns us of many lies, and so for that reason there is many lies in our bible. but is there missing interpretation of those lies ?

In todays modern age as well of lot of you may know, there are endless sermons from preachers, telling us they hear the enemy wispering in there ear, trying to decieve there thoughts as well as so many christians complaining of being tormented by demons around the world, and quite a lot of christians in this very forum have opened up and told us how demons have tormented them. In a forum like this it takes courage to open up and confess you are being tormented by a demon because some people will use scripture that says God approves this but does he ?.

For some reason and im not completely sure why but christians seem to have got it into there head that a christian can be spiritualy oppressed and its not from God, but yet somehow fail to recognise that may have been happening in the bible too, where there is scripture indicating God has allowed a demon to torment someone. Hardly anybody will say quite possibly that person was being decieved in the bible.

In those times of the old testermnet where people as spiritualy aware as they are now and could they have been tricked by a decieving demon into believing they where being tormented by demons on the authority of God. ?

If scripture said in the bible for every curse written concerning a demon, i had a demon attacking me saying he was from God would you believe it ?

At this moment i am not going to apply any scripture that suggests that this is what demons do, im going to share my heart instead. We now live in an age where people are more spiritualy aware because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe now the reason why people have spiritual receptors to know they are being tormented by demons is because they have recieved the holy spirit. Which is something they never had in the old testerment.


Again without quoting any scripture at this moment There are endless accounts of Jesus telling us exactly what he thought about demons, how they could decieve us and what we must do to over come there torment.

Obviously if demons revealed there true intent of a person there tormenting they wouldnt be able to get a hold on a person and bring there lie into the world or rule a person. Again im not going to post any scripture at the moment that clearly suggest demons need a person to be in fear to rule them but share my heart.

The fear of death would have been more frightening in acient times and something we all have to go through. Thankfully modern day hospitals can ease the pain when the race we run in life is coming to an end in this world. We can die in a more gracefull state of mind. Thankfully to not as many people are forced into decissions theese days on the bases of being killed if they dont. but in the old days the a lot of those deaths people suffered to force a new law was brutal in acient times. I feal strongly that the fear of death is a big reason why people believe in haste, where by the wrong perception is believed in a hurry and out of panic.
perhaps this is also a favorite plot from demons.

One scripture im going to apply at this moment spoken from Jesus to a demon was Get away from me i never knew you. This is hardly fitting with God allowing demons to torment people as that would suggest Jesus does know them and interacts witht them on a personal bases. I have many more perspectives on this based on scripture by Jesus that anything that suggests God allows demons to torment people is a false miss repersentation of God by a demon. Demons in my oppinion have assainated the character of God the father God the son and our holy spirit in our bible.

If you are capable of receiving a divine message from God then you're a prophet. Once you realize you've been given this spiritual gift and attempt to exercise it then it's only a matter of time before Satan tries to exploit it using doubt, fear, and deceit in order to make impotent the prophet. To make them not trust the messages they're capable of receiving.

I don't know if it's necessarily "torment" because that's subjective. To some people it's torment and to others it's not. It all depends how you handle it, how much truth of light you've seen, and how much you trust God. If you trust God you will trust the Bible and if you trust the Bible you have the light of truth. You are capable of discerning truth from lies now.

To directly answer your question, yes. Demons can easily torment Christians especially if they go about in a lifestyle of willful rebellion and sin. Sin is like blood in the water to demons, it attracts them like hungry sharks.

Christians are sometimes delivered over to Satan for testing and punishment for their sins. At this point it's time to repent and choose who you want to serve:

1 Corinthians 5:5
5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Timothy 1:20
20Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

 

[glen55]

Sons of Gods are a mystery we don't think about that much, or compare to who we actually are, they were told they would die like man being blind about who they where before the world was made, now grace and love is a agreement for coming down, plus the statement you can't go up unless you came down. so the OT was all Paul had to teach from being not secular history but allegory of sons of man portrayed by male and female, sons that focus on two covenants requirements' of all man who represents male and females who experience good and evil. nothing new under the sun.

 

[de-emerald]

If you are referring to Matthew 7:23 "Depart from me I never knew you"
Jesus was speaking to people there, not demons.

Yes your quite right there, Jesus said to satan away from me, which is the same thing as get away from me. Also get away from me would imply i dont want to know you, So i ment to say Jessu said get away from me to satan i dont want to know you. and i ment to say satan never knew God, which ill show you now.

mathew 4:10 Jesus speaking. 10“Away from Me, Satan!” Jesus declared. “For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’

You see satan does not serve God. its a bit of a contrast when we see scripture that implies God has allowed satan to torment,. plus the fact if God is allowing satan to be the tempter, why is he going to chuck satan in the lake of fire ?

Ok this quote also addresses @SomeDisciple post as well,
Jesus Is Tested in the Wilderness
4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Where does it say the holy spirit allowed it ? have you ever read sentence 1 and asked the question, did the holy spirit know Jesus would be tempted, was it was inevitable Jesus would be tempted, seing as the mathew calls satan the tempter in the next verse ? 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

You see also this verse also addresses @SomeDisciple who says God clearly knows satan.

Satan quotes “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”.

Notice the word if, Satan doesnt know who Jesus is. well he should know shouldnt he if hes met him in heaven in the story of Job.

As a christian you have to Go with what Jesus says, he is God and quite possibly demons are not even from God. where not created by God at all. they come from the darkness, not the light and have told hundreds of lies about them selves in the minds of people in our bible . Jesus is the prince of light, satan is the prince of darkness. Jesus calls satan the father of all lies.
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Darkness resided in the area first when the earth was void, which means we are in a battle for terroity. which can be seen through out the bible, demons want terroity everywhere, and even gain terroity by stealing people into there line of thinking by getting inside peoples heads.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

God seperated the darkness and (demons) that was here in the beginning from the light when the earth was void.
God took there space with his light. the darkness and light are two seperate forces. the darkness wants its terroity back. but thats tough luck, God never stole it in the first place.

The battle in heavens is bewtween the darkness and light. the darkness (demons have not come from the light, the bible would suggest they have. but theese are only words. And we have to take into account the trickery that demons have to decieve peoples thoughts. every word they say is a lie. Jesus calls them the father of all lies. how can you trust the thoughts of satan in our bible in story of Job, if Jesus calls them the father of all lies.

 

[Magenta]

I tried to read the OP, but the multitudinous spelling and usage errors made it too irritating to continue. How hard is it to spell correctly? Doesn't anyone use a dictionary anymore? Even the thread title is badly flawed; it's two distinct questions written as one sentence, with no intervening punctuation.

Please, de-emerald, put a little effort into learning to write the English language properly. If nothing else, read your Bible, and emulate what you find written therein.

I fixed some of the errors...

de-emerald said:

Hi dear Christian and brother and sisters around the world, I would like to dispute this matter because I feel this is the biggest missing link in our bible, to understanding scripture, and sorting out so much confusion, please also let me apologize for any hurt this may cause you. At this moment I would like to say the bible warns us of many lies, and so for that reason there is many lies in our bible. but is there missing interpretation of those lies ?

In today's modern age as well of lot of you may know, there are endless sermons from preachers, telling us they hear the enemy whispering in their ear, trying to deceive their thoughts as well as so many Christians complaining of being tormented by demons around the world, and quite a lot of Christians in this very forum have opened up and told us how demons have tormented them. In a forum like this it takes courage to open up and confess you are being tormented by a demon because some people will use scripture that says God approves this but does He?

For some reason and I'm not completely sure why but Christians seem to have got it into there head that a Christian can be spiritually oppressed and its not from God, but yet somehow fail to recognize that may have been happening in the bible too, where there is scripture indicating God has allowed a demon to torment someone. Hardly anybody will say quite possibly that person was being deceived in the bible.

In those times of the old testament where people as spiritually aware as they are now and could they have been tricked by a deceiving demon into believing they where being tormented by demons on the authority of God. ?

If scripture said in the bible for every curse written concerning a demon, I had a demon attacking me saying he was from God would you believe it ?

At this moment i am not going to apply any scripture that suggests that this is what demons do, im going to share my heart instead. We now live in an age where people are more spiritually aware because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe now the reason why people have spiritual receptors to know they are being tormented by demons is because they have received the holy spirit. Which is something they never had in the old testament.


Again without quoting any scripture at this moment There are endless accounts of Jesus telling us exactly what he thought about demons, how they could deceive us and what we must do to over come there torment.

Obviously if demons revealed there true intent of a person there tormenting they wouldn't be able to get a hold on a person and bring there lie into the world or rule a person. Again I'm not going to post any scripture at the moment that clearly suggest demons need a person to be in fear to rule them but share my heart.

The fear of death would have been more frightening in ancient times and something we all have to go through. Thankfully modern day hospitals can ease the pain when the race we run in life is coming to an end in this world. We can die in a more graceful state of mind. Thankfully to not as many people are forced into decisions these days on the bases of being killed if they don't. But in the old days the a lot of those deaths people suffered to force a new law was brutal in ancient times. I feel strongly that the fear of death is a big reason why people believe in haste, where by the wrong perception is believed in a hurry and out of panic.
perhaps this is also a favorite plot from demons.

One scripture I'm going to apply at this moment spoken from Jesus to a demon was Get away from me i never knew you. This is hardly fitting with God allowing demons to torment people as that would suggest Jesus does know them and interacts with them on a personal bases. I have many more perspectives on this based on scripture by Jesus that anything that suggests God allows demons to torment people is a false misrepresentation of God by a demon. Demons in my opinion have assassinated the character of God the father God the son and our holy spirit in our bible.

 

[Magenta]

Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat. But I have prayed for you,
Simon, that your faith will not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.

 

[Gideon300]

Hi dear christian and brother and sisters around the world, I would like to dispute this matter because i feal this is the biggest missing link in our bible, to understanding scripture, and sorting out so much confussion, please also let me apolagize for any hurt this may cause you. At this moment i would like to say the bible warns us of many lies, and so for that reason there is many lies in our bible. but is there missing interpretation of those lies ?

In todays modern age as well of lot of you may know, there are endless sermons from preachers, telling us they hear the enemy wispering in there ear, trying to decieve there thoughts as well as so many christians complaining of being tormented by demons around the world, and quite a lot of christians in this very forum have opened up and told us how demons have tormented them. In a forum like this it takes courage to open up and confess you are being tormented by a demon because some people will use scripture that says God approves this but does he ?.

For some reason and im not completely sure why but christians seem to have got it into there head that a christian can be spiritualy oppressed and its not from God, but yet somehow fail to recognise that may have been happening in the bible too, where there is scripture indicating God has allowed a demon to torment someone. Hardly anybody will say quite possibly that person was being decieved in the bible.

In those times of the old testermnet where people as spiritualy aware as they are now and could they have been tricked by a decieving demon into believing they where being tormented by demons on the authority of God. ?

If scripture said in the bible for every curse written concerning a demon, i had a demon attacking me saying he was from God would you believe it ?

At this moment i am not going to apply any scripture that suggests that this is what demons do, im going to share my heart instead. We now live in an age where people are more spiritualy aware because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe now the reason why people have spiritual receptors to know they are being tormented by demons is because they have recieved the holy spirit. Which is something they never had in the old testerment.


Again without quoting any scripture at this moment There are endless accounts of Jesus telling us exactly what he thought about demons, how they could decieve us and what we must do to over come there torment.

Obviously if demons revealed there true intent of a person there tormenting they wouldnt be able to get a hold on a person and bring there lie into the world or rule a person. Again im not going to post any scripture at the moment that clearly suggest demons need a person to be in fear to rule them but share my heart.

The fear of death would have been more frightening in acient times and something we all have to go through. Thankfully modern day hospitals can ease the pain when the race we run in life is coming to an end in this world. We can die in a more gracefull state of mind. Thankfully to not as many people are forced into decissions theese days on the bases of being killed if they dont. but in the old days the a lot of those deaths people suffered to force a new law was brutal in acient times. I feal strongly that the fear of death is a big reason why people believe in haste, where by the wrong perception is believed in a hurry and out of panic.
perhaps this is also a favorite plot from demons.

One scripture im going to apply at this moment spoken from Jesus to a demon was Get away from me i never knew you. This is hardly fitting with God allowing demons to torment people as that would suggest Jesus does know them and interacts witht them on a personal bases. I have many more perspectives on this based on scripture by Jesus that anything that suggests God allows demons to torment people is a false miss repersentation of God by a demon. Demons in my oppinion have assainated the character of God the father God the son and our holy spirit in our bible.

You are partly right. God is totally misrepresented to the world by demons, who falsely accuse God of wrongdoing and who blind the eyes of those who are perishing. I've said elsewhere that God does allow Satan to attack and torment. He has most excellent reasons for this.

• God does not violate man's will. If an individual fulfills the requirements to be attacked demons, God is not obliged to step in. That is why it is vital to realise that we are at war, with a relentless and vicious enemy. We are warned to be sober and vigilant. What soldier fails to wear his uniform and carry his weapon when he is on the battlefield?
• God affords some protections even for foolish Christians. We will not be tempted beyond out ability to cope. It is not wise to presume on God's goodness. Those who willfully disobey will find themselves in deep trouble.
• Lord Jesus warned us that we could be deceived. Guess who does the deceiving.
• The Bible says specifically that God sent an evil spirit to torment King Saul.
• Apostle Paul received a "thorn in the flesh", a messenger from Satan.
• Satan received permission to make life miserable for Job

The question is why would God do such things? As I said, there are conditions that bring about such events. In the case of Saul, he had become proud, arrogant and jealous of David. God rejected Saul as King but Saul held onto the throne. He did not truly repent in spite of many opportunities.

Paul's affliction was preemptive. God had given him great revelation. The "thorn in the flesh" was to keep him from succumbing to pride. Evidently God knew that Paul could be tempted. What is worse, a thorn in the flesh or failing to fulfill God's eternal purpose for your life? Paul recognised what was going on and he did not complain.

Job was self-righteous. He knew about God but he did not know God. He was also full of fear, the opposite of faith that pleases God. Job is considered to be the oldest book in the Bible. So right from the start, we can see that God does at times permit Satan to trouble people. God did not explain Himself to Job, at least at first. Pretty much He said, "Job, I'm God. You are not". At the same time, He blessed Job with far greater riches than he had before his ordeal. And Job is one of the heroes of faith, someone to look to as an example when things go wrong.

 

[de-emerald]

You are partly right. God is totally misrepresented to the world by demons, who falsely accuse God of wrongdoing and who blind the eyes of those who are perishing. I've said elsewhere that God does allow Satan to attack and torment. He has most excellent reasons for this.

• God does not violate man's will. If an individual fulfills the requirements to be attacked demons, God is not obliged to step in. That is why it is vital to realise that we are at war, with a relentless and vicious enemy. We are warned to be sober and vigilant. What soldier fails to wear his uniform and carry his weapon when he is on the battlefield?
• God affords some protections even for foolish Christians. We will not be tempted beyond out ability to cope. It is not wise to presume on God's goodness. Those who willfully disobey will find themselves in deep trouble.
• Lord Jesus warned us that we could be deceived. Guess who does the deceiving.
• The Bible says specifically that God sent an evil spirit to torment King Saul.
• Apostle Paul received a "thorn in the flesh", a messenger from Satan.
• Satan received permission to make life miserable for Job

The question is why would God do such things? As I said, there are conditions that bring about such events. In the case of Saul, he had become proud, arrogant and jealous of David. God rejected Saul as King but Saul held onto the throne. He did not truly repent in spite of many opportunities.

Paul's affliction was preemptive. God had given him great revelation. The "thorn in the flesh" was to keep him from succumbing to pride. Evidently God knew that Paul could be tempted. What is worse, a thorn in the flesh or failing to fulfill God's eternal purpose for your life? Paul recognised what was going on and he did not complain.

Job was self-righteous. He knew about God but he did not know God. He was also full of fear, the opposite of faith that pleases God. Job is considered to be the oldest book in the Bible. So right from the start, we can see that God does at times permit Satan to trouble people. God did not explain Himself to Job, at least at first. Pretty much He said, "Job, I'm God. You are not". At the same time, He blessed Job with far greater riches than he had before his ordeal. And Job is one of the heroes of faith, someone to look to as an example when things go wrong.

Satan Tests Job
1 There was a man named Job, living in the land of Uz,[a] who worshiped God and was faithful to him. He was a good man, careful not to do anything evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters, 3 and owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, one thousand head of cattle, and five hundred donkeys. He also had a large number of servants and was the richest man in the East.
4 Job's sons used to take turns giving a feast, to which all the others would come, and they always invited their three sisters to join them. 5 The morning after each feast, Job would get up early and offer sacrifices for each of his children in order to purify them. He always did this because he thought that one of them might have sinned by insulting God unintentionally.
6 When the day came for the heavenly beings[b] to appear before the Lord, Satan[c] was there among them. 7 The Lord asked him, “What have you been doing?”
Satan answered, “I have been walking here and there, roaming around the earth.”8 “Did you notice my servant Job?” the Lord asked. “There is no one on earth as faithful and good as he is. He worships me and is careful not to do anything evil.”
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Job's Children and Wealth Are Destroyed
13 One day when Job's children were having a feast at the home of their oldest brother, 14 a messenger came running to Job. “We were plowing the fields with the oxen,” he said, “and the donkeys were in a nearby pasture. 15 Suddenly the Sabeans[d] attacked and stole them all. They killed every one of your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
16 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Lightning struck the sheep and the shepherds and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
17 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Three bands of Chaldean[e] raiders attacked us, took away the camels, and killed all your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
18 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Your children were having a feast at the home of your oldest son, 19 when a storm swept in from the desert. It blew the house down and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
20 Then Job got up and tore his clothes in grief. He shaved his head and threw himself face downward on the ground. 21 He said, “I was born with nothing, and I will die with nothing. The Lord gave, and now he has taken away. May his name be praised!”
22 In spite of everything that had happened, Job did not sin by blaming God.


Hi @Gideon300
im going to ask some questions on this scripture, Fistly if we disagree its not a problem to me.

But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck the cattle with lightening

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ?


5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.

 

[Absolutely]

You are partly right. God is totally misrepresented to the world by demons, who falsely accuse God of wrongdoing and who blind the eyes of those who are perishing. I've said elsewhere that God does allow Satan to attack and torment. He has most excellent reasons for this.

• God does not violate man's will. If an individual fulfills the requirements to be attacked demons, God is not obliged to step in. That is why it is vital to realise that we are at war, with a relentless and vicious enemy. We are warned to be sober and vigilant. What soldier fails to wear his uniform and carry his weapon when he is on the battlefield?
• God affords some protections even for foolish Christians. We will not be tempted beyond out ability to cope. It is not wise to presume on God's goodness. Those who willfully disobey will find themselves in deep trouble.
• Lord Jesus warned us that we could be deceived. Guess who does the deceiving.
• The Bible says specifically that God sent an evil spirit to torment King Saul.
• Apostle Paul received a "thorn in the flesh", a messenger from Satan.
• Satan received permission to make life miserable for Job

The question is why would God do such things? As I said, there are conditions that bring about such events. In the case of Saul, he had become proud, arrogant and jealous of David. God rejected Saul as King but Saul held onto the throne. He did not truly repent in spite of many opportunities.

Paul's affliction was preemptive. God had given him great revelation. The "thorn in the flesh" was to keep him from succumbing to pride. Evidently God knew that Paul could be tempted. What is worse, a thorn in the flesh or failing to fulfill God's eternal purpose for your life? Paul recognised what was going on and he did not complain.

Job was self-righteous. He knew about God but he did not know God. He was also full of fear, the opposite of faith that pleases God. Job is considered to be the oldest book in the Bible. So right from the start, we can see that God does at times permit Satan to trouble people. God did not explain Himself to Job, at least at first. Pretty much He said, "Job, I'm God. You are not". At the same time, He blessed Job with far greater riches than he had before his ordeal. And Job is one of the heroes of faith, someone to look to as an example when things go wrong.

not necessarily.

Job never knew it was satan attacking him.

In the NT we are given not only authority over the enemy, but told of his devices and given devices to do warfare with him

Job had none of that.
Jobs dynamic with satan was in ignorance and was passive.
Our walk is opposite that.

 

[Absolutely]

Satan Tests Job
1 There was a man named Job, living in the land of Uz,[a] who worshiped God and was faithful to him. He was a good man, careful not to do anything evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters, 3 and owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, one thousand head of cattle, and five hundred donkeys. He also had a large number of servants and was the richest man in the East.
4 Job's sons used to take turns giving a feast, to which all the others would come, and they always invited their three sisters to join them. 5 The morning after each feast, Job would get up early and offer sacrifices for each of his children in order to purify them. He always did this because he thought that one of them might have sinned by insulting God unintentionally.
6 When the day came for the heavenly beings[b] to appear before the Lord, Satan[c] was there among them. 7 The Lord asked him, “What have you been doing?”
Satan answered, “I have been walking here and there, roaming around the earth.”8 “Did you notice my servant Job?” the Lord asked. “There is no one on earth as faithful and good as he is. He worships me and is careful not to do anything evil.”
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Job's Children and Wealth Are Destroyed
13 One day when Job's children were having a feast at the home of their oldest brother, 14 a messenger came running to Job. “We were plowing the fields with the oxen,” he said, “and the donkeys were in a nearby pasture. 15 Suddenly the Sabeans[d] attacked and stole them all. They killed every one of your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
16 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Lightning struck the sheep and the shepherds and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
17 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Three bands of Chaldean[e] raiders attacked us, took away the camels, and killed all your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
18 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Your children were having a feast at the home of your oldest son, 19 when a storm swept in from the desert. It blew the house down and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
20 Then Job got up and tore his clothes in grief. He shaved his head and threw himself face downward on the ground. 21 He said, “I was born with nothing, and I will die with nothing. The Lord gave, and now he has taken away. May his name be praised!”
22 In spite of everything that had happened, Job did not sin by blaming God.


Hi @Gideon300
im going to ask some questions on this scripture, Fistly if we disagree its not a problem to me.

But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck the cattle with lightening

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ?


5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.

A better question would be; "what are you getting at"?

 

[Absolutely]

satanic attacks are part of every SERIOUS believers life.

We have a real dedicated enemy.
His job is to destroy us.
That is his job

 

[de-emerald]

Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat. But I have prayed for you,
Simon, that your faith will not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.

Luke 22:31-32-31-32 The Message (MSG)
“Simon, stay on your toes. Satan has tried his best to separate all of you from me, like chaff from wheat. Simon, I’ve prayed for you in particular that you not give in or give out. When you have come through the time of testing, turn to your companions and give them a fresh start.”

Do you think God allowed this as well ? would you not see that satan is testing people deliberately to make them stumble ?.
Matthew 16:23
New International Version

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Was peter satan ?, nope was Jesus casting a demon yup. was it satan , yes. did Jesus call satan a stumbling block, yes

How does God feal about stumbling blocks

matthew 18:6 Meaning of If Anyone Causes One of These Little Ones to Stumble. “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

 

[Absolutely]

We have 3 enemies.
The world
The flesh
And The devil

 

[Absolutely]

Luke 22:31-32-31-32 The Message (MSG)
“Simon, stay on your toes. Satan has tried his best to separate all of you from me, like chaff from wheat. Simon, I’ve prayed for you in particular that you not give in or give out. When you have come through the time of testing, turn to your companions and give them a fresh start.”

Do you think God allowed this as well ? would you not see that satan is testing people deliberately to make them stumble ?.
Matthew 16:23
New International Version

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Was peter satan ?, nope was Jesus casting a demon yup. was it satan , yes. did Jesus call satan a stumbling block, yes

How does God feal about stumbling blocks

matthew 18:6 Meaning of If Anyone Causes One of These Little Ones to Stumble. “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

So what is your position regarding satan and demons?

You keep saying "God allows..." Or " would God allow"

That is too broad and tedious to unpack from every dynamic we encounter as believers.

I can say God allowed this or that.
So what?

 

[Magenta]

Luke 22:31-32-31-32 The Message (MSG)
“Simon, stay on your toes. Satan has tried his best to separate all of you from me, like chaff from wheat. Simon, I’ve prayed for you in particular that you not give in or give out. When you have come through the time of testing, turn to your companions and give them a fresh start.”

Do you think God allowed this as well ? would you not see that satan is testing people deliberately to make them stumble ?.
Matthew 16:23
New International Version

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Was peter satan ?, nope was Jesus casting a demon yup. was it satan , yes. did Jesus call satan a stumbling block, yes

How does God feal about stumbling blocks

matthew 18:6 Meaning of If Anyone Causes One of These Little Ones to Stumble. “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Yes, God allowed it. Jesus was addressing Peter as having human and not Godly concerns.

 

[de-emerald]

A better question would be; "what are you getting at"?

You can answer the questions if you want to, or you can shoot me with one of those arrows and say absolutely to me all day long. im having a disccussion with @Gideon300

If you want to answer the questions that i asked @Gideon300 do so. if you want to ignore them and bait me with a loaded question to answer them thats your choice to. there honest questions that need an honest answer, befor we can discuss Job 1, theres no point in discussing Job 1 if where singing from a different hymn book.

 

[de-emerald]

So what is your position regarding satan and demons?

You keep saying "God allows..." Or " would God allow"

That is too broad and tedious to unpack from every dynamic we encounter as believers.

I can say God allowed this or that.
So what?

dont try to establish just one a point of view that answers this whole thread, and dont derail this thread with a so what, if your not willing to discuss on this thread with manners, i would kindly ask you to leave. or i will put you on 1 weeks ignor.