Neither James (the Lord’s brother), Barnabas, Timothy or Silvanus were counted among The Twelve...
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Then by that logic you need to be near Bethany to be an apostle. Doesn't really make sense to me.
Luke 24:50-53
50And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
Luke 24:50-53
50And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. 51And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. 52And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
Aaron 56, with or without Matthias the Holy Spirit has came. Your writing can be interpretet that you will say: the election from Matthias was a fullfilling of a condition, that the Holy Spirit could come.
You can be the meaning that Paul is not one of the 12. I believe that he is one of the 12.
The way he was choosen is the same like the eleven. This is for me proof enough.
Finaly we will see it in heaven.
You can be the meaning that Paul is not one of the 12. I believe that he is one of the 12.
The way he was choosen is the same like the eleven. This is for me proof enough.
Finaly we will see it in heaven.
You are mentioning a man made Standart.
Acts is giving report about the beginning of the church. Not everything what is written down is expression the will of God, even it is the word of God.
So the reaction of the 11, to search conditions for to elect someone to fill the 12th place. But it is man wisedom behind.
So you cant count it a requirement for to be an apostle.
Acts is giving report about the beginning of the church. Not everything what is written down is expression the will of God, even it is the word of God.
So the reaction of the 11, to search conditions for to elect someone to fill the 12th place. But it is man wisedom behind.
So you cant count it a requirement for to be an apostle.
According to scripture and according to Paul, Jesus appeared to the twelve before Paul, so Paul acknowledges he was not one of the twelve.
Only a few of the twelve apostles are mentioned by name in scripture after Acts 1. The other apostles are mentioned all together as 'the apostles' in Acts, or as 'the twelve' by Paul when He said jesus appeared to the twelve before appearing to him.
Only a few of the twelve apostles are mentioned by name in scripture after Acts 1. The other apostles are mentioned all together as 'the apostles' in Acts, or as 'the twelve' by Paul when He said jesus appeared to the twelve before appearing to him.
Jesus said the Spirit would take of what is His and deliver it unto 'you.' In Acts 13, the Spirit spoke and Barnabas and Saul are sent out by the Spirit. They went out on an evangelistic journey. Chapter 14 calls them both apostles.
In Matthew 9-10, Jesus says to pray the Lord of the harvest to send forth messengers into His harvest. Then he prays all night on a mountain, comes down, and appoints 12 as apostles. He tells them to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleans the lepers, cast out devils, and preach repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Then they go out on an evangelistic journey. In another gospel they are first referred to as 'apostles' after coming back from the journey they are sent on.
In Matthew 9-10, Jesus says to pray the Lord of the harvest to send forth messengers into His harvest. Then he prays all night on a mountain, comes down, and appoints 12 as apostles. He tells them to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleans the lepers, cast out devils, and preach repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Then they go out on an evangelistic journey. In another gospel they are first referred to as 'apostles' after coming back from the journey they are sent on.
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Obviously the 12th name on the foundation of the NJ changes no doctrine. However, since Matthias is only mentioned the one time leaves one to ponder.
I think the key to the 12th name is the fact of who Jesus personally and face to face gave the Great Commission. This commission was the sole responsibility of the 11 when Jesus gave it. It was to evangelize people and organize and teach churches.
Matthias was not part of the 11 when Jesus gave His commission to the apostles.
Then, Paul was given the same commission also face to face from the Lord in Acts 9. And according to Acts, he did more than all the other apostles.
Anyone is free to have their own opinion. Mine is based on who received the GC face to face by Jesus Himself. You are free to base your opinion on the roll of dice.
I think the key to the 12th name is the fact of who Jesus personally and face to face gave the Great Commission. This commission was the sole responsibility of the 11 when Jesus gave it. It was to evangelize people and organize and teach churches.
Matthias was not part of the 11 when Jesus gave His commission to the apostles.
Then, Paul was given the same commission also face to face from the Lord in Acts 9. And according to Acts, he did more than all the other apostles.
Anyone is free to have their own opinion. Mine is based on who received the GC face to face by Jesus Himself. You are free to base your opinion on the roll of dice.
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Jesus had opened the apostle's minds to understand the scripture before he left. This was Peter's interpretation/application of scripture after having heard Jesus teach, carried out in conjunction with the other apostles.
The Spirit had already come when Paul wrote that Jesus had appeared to the Twelve. Mattias was a witness of the resurrection. Can you say the same of Judas?
If you reject Matthias as an apostle and Paul did not count himself as the twelfth apostle, who, if anyone, do you think was the 12th apostles?
The Spirit had already come when Paul wrote that Jesus had appeared to the Twelve. Mattias was a witness of the resurrection. Can you say the same of Judas?
If you reject Matthias as an apostle and Paul did not count himself as the twelfth apostle, who, if anyone, do you think was the 12th apostles?
I'm not resistant to Scripture. Of course Paul would acknowledge Matthias as one of the 12. But that isn't the point.
The GC was the sole responsibility of the apostles. It started with Jesus giving the GC to just the 11, even though Matthias was part of the larger group, which numbered about "120" per Acts 1:15. Matthias wasn't with the 11.
So Matthias didn't receive the commission as the 11 already apostles did.
And Paul received the GC in the exact same way as the 11 did: face to face with Jesus. Not Matthias.
Again, this is all just very light stuff. Not significant. I was just curious about Rev 21:14 and who was the 12th apostle.
I think Paul's missionary activity and getting the commission directly from the Lord will be the key as to the 12th name.
But, again, it doesn't matter one way or another. This is just all a curiosity for me.
But my point is valid as why the 12th name could be Paul's. If it is Matthias', ok.
The GC was the sole responsibility of the apostles. It started with Jesus giving the GC to just the 11, even though Matthias was part of the larger group, which numbered about "120" per Acts 1:15. Matthias wasn't with the 11.
So Matthias didn't receive the commission as the 11 already apostles did.
And Paul received the GC in the exact same way as the 11 did: face to face with Jesus. Not Matthias.
Again, this is all just very light stuff. Not significant. I was just curious about Rev 21:14 and who was the 12th apostle.
I think Paul's missionary activity and getting the commission directly from the Lord will be the key as to the 12th name.
But, again, it doesn't matter one way or another. This is just all a curiosity for me.
But my point is valid as why the 12th name could be Paul's. If it is Matthias', ok.
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It is no matter i reject Matthias as Apostle or not. Its the matter how the Lord is seeing it.
Jesus did through Paul miracles if it is reportet from Peter and others.
It is to notice that Matthias never again was mentioned in the bible. He may be an apostle like others out of the 11 too. But i would see Paul as the 12th from the Lord directly called apostle. For if this is true, we have to wait till heaven. We will solve this question not before.
Jesus did through Paul miracles if it is reportet from Peter and others.
It is to notice that Matthias never again was mentioned in the bible. He may be an apostle like others out of the 11 too. But i would see Paul as the 12th from the Lord directly called apostle. For if this is true, we have to wait till heaven. We will solve this question not before.
Paul’s argument there is that he was one of the apostles equal if less than the others
“And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
1 Corinthians 15:8-9 KJV
Paul’s argument is that he like the other apostles had seen the resurrected lord in person even though it was after time of the others. Paul’s argument was constant the church had trouble accepting him because before he was converted to the church he was their main persecuted they were suspicious of Paul so in his letters he’s often on the defense about his ordination as an apostle
Peter chose Matthias before the holy soirit was given which is not what Jesus told him to do , they were told to wait until pentocost but instead Peter cast lord before he receive the spirit Matthias was never chosen by Jesus or the Holy Spirit Paul is the twelfth apostle mat thy it’s wasn’t chosen in person by Jesus like the apostles were including Paul yet , after and out of the natural order
there are only twelve apostles
“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
Matthew 19:28 KJV
Judas was replaced by Jesus with Paul his name will be here with the other eleven Jesus chose
“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
Revelation 21:14 KJV
Peter moved before he should have he was told to tweet and wait for power from
On high but he cast lots and chose Matthias before he received the spirit of Christ
“And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
1 Corinthians 15:8-9 KJV
Paul’s argument is that he like the other apostles had seen the resurrected lord in person even though it was after time of the others. Paul’s argument was constant the church had trouble accepting him because before he was converted to the church he was their main persecuted they were suspicious of Paul so in his letters he’s often on the defense about his ordination as an apostle
Peter chose Matthias before the holy soirit was given which is not what Jesus told him to do , they were told to wait until pentocost but instead Peter cast lord before he receive the spirit Matthias was never chosen by Jesus or the Holy Spirit Paul is the twelfth apostle mat thy it’s wasn’t chosen in person by Jesus like the apostles were including Paul yet , after and out of the natural order
there are only twelve apostles
“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
Matthew 19:28 KJV
Judas was replaced by Jesus with Paul his name will be here with the other eleven Jesus chose
“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”
Revelation 21:14 KJV
Peter moved before he should have he was told to tweet and wait for power from
On high but he cast lots and chose Matthias before he received the spirit of Christ